Why Can't the Dominican Republic be the Solution to the Crisis in Haiti?

[Yourmaninvegas]

The DR is dealing with an illegal immigration issue.

If the DR granted asylum to what you suggest are refugees, that would be different. They are not refugees and there is no such asylum.

At least some people realize Dominicans are not interested in fixing the problem, as Nadie21 points out, that is because there is no fix that anyone can make, let alone the DR. It is pointless to suggest otherwise.

This is your opinion and I disagree.
At this point it is a refugee problem.

Given the current situation in the country are you saying that Haitians arriving at the boarder now could not be classified as having fled "war, violence, conflict or persecution" ❓
Are you suggesting that the Dominican Republic as governmental policy should not classify any Haitians as refugees?

 

[windeguy]

This is your opinion and I disagree.
At this point it is a refugee problem.

Given the current situation in the country are you saying that Haitians arriving at the boarder now could not be classified as having fled "war, violence, conflict or persecution" ❓
Are you suggesting that the Dominican Republic as governmental policy should not classify any Haitians as refugees?

I am clearly stating that the DR does not classify Haitians as refugees. Nor should they. You can have a different opinion on that, but it won't change the facts on how the DR government treats them. If you want to say fleeing a forever failed state means they are refugees, then that is your opinion and I clearly disagree. I see them as economic migrants.

What difference would it make on how the DR views them?
NONE. The situation would remain the same.

 

[Yourmaninvegas]

What difference would it make on how the DR views them?
NONE. The situation would remain the same.

If the view was that Haitians were refugees then they would receive different treatment and be able to appeal to the world for assistance with their refugee problems.
As they clearly cannot handle the problem in terms of illegal immigration if that is their story and they are sticking to it

 

[NanSanPedro]

Regardless of the politics, there are close to 11 million souls that are affected by the POS govt in Haiti. The family I'm helping at Parque Enrquillo is a prime example. They fled Haiti because they couldn't support their one child. So they are here, most probably illegally. He cleans shoes and she sells water. They were sleeping in the pavilion. These people count. Their 3 y/o counts.

The govt is unquestionably a POS as are the rich elites. But the Haitians deserve a chance. I can't wait for a govt to help them or God forbid those bureaucrats at the UN. These folks need help now. Paul said it the best: I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.

 

[johne]

Regardless of the politics, there are close to 11 million souls that are affected by the POS govt in Haiti. The family I'm helping at Parque Enrquillo is a prime example. They fled Haiti because they couldn't support their one child. So they are here, most probably illegally. He cleans shoes and she sells water. They were sleeping in the pavilion. These people count. Their 3 y/o counts.

The govt is unquestionably a POS as are the rich elites. But the Haitians deserve a chance. I can't wait for a govt to help them or God forbid those bureaucrats at the UN. These folks need help now. Paul said it the best: I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.

Nan I hear you but have you considered that "save some"could very well be the tens of thousand that work construction? I have never received a clear answer as how so called "illegal" (as some on this board have call them) work here by the truck loads. You live in BC and I in JD see truck loads delivered to the work sites daily at about 7:45 am each day 7 days a week. To me thats a miracle. Do you think a higher order is rewarding the elites for their houses to be built or do you think there is a grander scheme to have 50,000 workers work to earn dollars to send back to Haiti. For me it's something to think about how HE works in strange ways.

 

[johne]

What difference would it make on how the DR views them?
NONE. The situation would remain the same

Yes, how the DR views them...I agree. However how the world might view them is a whole new ballgame these days. I don't think Luis wants to appear as the bad guy. So refugee status (which I don't think is possible) would not be a good thing. The situation might not remain the same.

 

[Sailor51]

Considering the gangs and gang violence, I can't think of a reason to not leave. Add drugs into the equasion and you have Central America and the problem the US has. But for the world view? Haiti doesn't have anything the world wants.
Look at the island on google earth. The DR is green, and Haiti is ... not.

 

[windeguy]

Nan I hear you but have you considered that "save some"could very well be the tens of thousand that work construction? I have never received a clear answer as how so called "illegal" (as some on this board have call them) work here by the truck loads. You live in BC and I in JD see truck loads delivered to the work sites daily at about 7:45 am each day 7 days a week. To me thats a miracle. Do you think a higher order is rewarding the elites for their houses to be built or do you think there is a grander scheme to have 50,000 workers work to earn dollars to send back to Haiti. For me it's something to think about how HE works in strange ways.

Easy, if they are illegal they work illegally. Nothing about that is hard to understand if you live in the DR.

 

[windeguy]

Yes, how the DR views them...I agree. However how the world might view them is a whole new ballgame these days. I don't think Luis wants to appear as the bad guy. So refugee status (which I don't think is possible) would not be a good thing. The situation might not remain the same.

I have no reason to expect any changes on how the DR government reacts to illegal Haitians.
The world in general could care less.

Why do people think that something will change?

Sure there will be truckloads of Haitians, illegal or otherwise, used in construction. Those that are illegal simply work illegally.
Sure there will be busloads of illegal Haitian deported form time to time.

Why is Haiti ever going to be the responsibility of the DR regardless of "what the world" might think?
How is the progress on the border wall and defenses?

 

[Yourmaninvegas]

Why is Haiti ever going to be the responsibility of the DR regardless of "what the world" might think?

It will never be the responsibility of the Dominican Republic to fix Haiti nor the responsibility of any other country.

How is the progress on the border wall and defenses?

Who cares?
Big waste of money.
Somebody is getting their pockets lined with that project. 🤑

The wall is going to be like when I goto a "public beach" that a resort has tried to take over and control...
A few pesos to the security guards on the beach and I am being escorted to the chair. 🤪

 

[Dorit]

If Haitians really want to get ahead they need to cleanse the government of all the corrupt greedy pigs at the trough. Then clean it up from the top down. Corrupt cops, gangs get rid of them. Either by jail or firing squad, the world won't miss them.
Bring Anderson Cooper and Sean Penn back. Didn't they do wonders for Haiti when the cameras where turned on.
As several have said only Haitians can fix Haiti. Until they start I can't see anyone investing 5 cents there as it just gets stolen.

Until the DR establishes refugee camps, and deals with organized crime in both countries, there will be no tourism to either country.

 

[JD Jones]

Until the DR establishes refugee camps, and deals with organized crime in both countries, there will be no tourism to either country.

Have you seen the DR tourism numbers?

 

[Dorit]

Have you seen the DR tourism numbers?

Yes. But I've also had Haitian prostitutes beg for help from sex tourists on the North Coast. Sex tourism will always flourish.

 

[JD Jones]

Yes. But I've also had Haitian prostitutes beg for help from sex tourists on the North Coast. Sex tourism will always flourish.

North Coast sex tourism doesn't hold a candle to DR tourism in the rest of the country.

 

[Dorit]

True. Far more women are raped in Punta Cana all inclusives. But those statistics don't get reported.

 

[JD Jones]

True. Far more women are raped in Punta Cana all inclusives. But those statistics don't get reported.

Wow. I'm speechless. Got some proof for what you're implying?

 

[SKY]

Don't waste one minute with this Sock Puppet trying to stir the pot...........

 

[Dorit]

Wow. I'm speechless. Got some proof for what you're implying?

 

[NALs]

There is a hypothesis out there that suggest some pro-Haitians suffer from a superiority complex and as such, it will always bother them everytime the DR is more advanced than Haiti in development, but not so much the otherway around. Under such premise, if Haiti can't reach the level achieved by the DR, then the DR must be brought to the level of Haiti. For them, increasing the Haitian presence in the DR is a way to achieve that. Dominicans can't move forward if the Haitians lag behind or so is what they think.

 

[Dorit]

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