Girl Missing from RIU Hotel in Punta Cana

jose949

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The analysis distinguishes between two scenarios, with additional consideration for the specified cases:

- Only US Persons Involved, Including US Person Killed by Another US Person:
- This scenario includes cases where both the victim and suspect are US citizens, such as a US person allegedly killed by another US person.
- The US has clear jurisdiction over both based on the nationality principle, which allows the US to regulate the conduct of its citizens abroad Extraterritoriality–Prosecuting Crime Committed Abroad. If the suspect is within US borders, prosecution is straightforward, with the FBI and Department of Justice handling the case. If the suspect is abroad, the US can request their return or cooperate with the host country for investigation, leveraging diplomatic channels to ensure jurisdiction is exercised.
- Specific laws like 18 U.S.C. § 1119 enable prosecution, making this scenario relatively straightforward compared to others.
There are few cases with extraterritorial and universal jurisdiction. For example kidnapping, complex RICO and drug cartel cases, abuse of minors (by law passed in congress)/human trafficking, attacks/harm on a federal agent may perhaps be used for that aspect as they can qualify as crimes against the US.

In this instance, how does the US have jurisdiction? Was there any US contact/nexus (conspiracy, planning or finances) in the execution of the suspected crime? What crime was theoretically committed against the US? The Federal government doesn't even get involved in State level murder cases unless a federal law was violated. There are cases of US citizens murdering each other on foreign soil - a good one was the Brent case - but having no way to pursue it in the US.

Also could you identify the source of the information you shared? I think the Justice Dept. is authoritative on extraterritorially, they are the ones who make such calls. Past precedent also stands on its own.

In order to rebut the general presumption against the extraterritoriality of U.S. criminal laws, Congress made clear that §§ 1831 and 1832 are meant to apply to specified conduct occurring outside the United States. To ensure that there is some nexus, §§ 1831 and 1832 apply to conduct occurring outside the United States if: (1) the offender is a citizen or permanent resident alien of the United States, or an organization organized under the laws of the United States or a State or political subdivision thereof; or (2) an act in furtherance of the offense was committed in the United States. 18 U.S.C. § 1837. https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1140-extraterritoriality
 

El Hijo de Manolo

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You have zero argument style and have been consistently wrong on facts
Where have I been wrong? Please show me where I was wrong on a case fact. I was incorrect in the timeline, but corrected it, yes or no? Much more than what most would do. Your panties are just in a bunch now for some reason. You need to focus. Stop being a crybaby
 
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EHM asks in post #478 about "the water narrative" and there being "zero corroborating evidence " for it. I think her clothes were found neatly on one of the chaise lounges, if I remember correctly. I don't know if that was meant to say all her clothes or just what she was wearing over her bikini. That would seem to me to indicate a desire to enter the water. Definitive? No, but it's more than zero. What happened after that, we won't know for sure if she can't be found.
 

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Where have I been wrong? Please show me where I was wrong on a case fact. I was incorrect in the timeline, but corrected it, yes or no? Much more than what most would do. Your panties are just in a bunch now for some reason. You need to focus. Stop being a crybaby
You also said a girl like her would never drink and then a video showed her drinking and stumbling down the sidewalk. Try sticking to facts from now on, ok?
 

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The article Windy posted clearly said they questioned the girls and their stories weren't consistent.
is there a POINT here ? Cuz I dont wanna miss it if there is one .

They questioned him,. they questioned the other Girls .
their stories did not match , How much of it did not match, or match their Previous Story , we dont know

Im unclear what you are getting at .
 

El Hijo de Manolo

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is there a POINT here ? Cuz I dont wanna miss it if there is one .

They questioned him,. they questioned the other Girls .
their stories did not match , How much we dont know

Im unclear what you are getting at .
This is correct. Egos aside, any reasonable person understands that the most basic proof of something even close to the truth, is it doesn’t vary from person to person or, especially and most significantly, the main person of interest. When something is shady, you can count 100% of the time that there will be various conflicting accounts.

Adding: it was said up I think by you as well, standard playbook is to ask repeatedly the same questions worded uniquely, in attempts to trip up the persons not telling the truth.
 

El Hijo de Manolo

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I didn't say she was drunk. I said video showed her and her friends drinking and then stumbling down the sidewalk. Those are the facts.
You’ve exhausted me. I have to hand it to you. Have a great rest of the day. Maybe stop in at the Janet’s new store and make a cooking project!
 
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cavok

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is there a POINT here ? Cuz I dont wanna miss it if there is one .

They questioned him,. they questioned the other Girls .
their stories did not match , How much of it did not match, or match their Previous Story , we dont know

Im unclear what you are getting at .
That isn't the way I read it. The report said there were inconsistencies between the girls' version of events. The point being, it's not uncommon for even totally sober witnesses to recall slightly different versions of what happened.
 

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So this girl and her group of friends went clubbing and drinking all night at Coco Bongo. Come back to the resort and hang out on the beach, and the girl stays behind with this guy? It would difficult to kill this girl and hide the body (much more difficult to take a body off of the resort) somewhere nearby. She probably drown.
 

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in another thread the "person of interest" is seen on video returning to the hotel without his shirt after being on video wearing a shirt when going to the beach,
Missing socks, shoes too. He also had a phone - that could be key to answering lots of questions if it also didn't go missing.
 
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CristoRey

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In the US you can get gunned down with an assault weapon in a Mall, Classroom, Church, or pretty much anywhere. And they give a warning for the Dominican Republic. Talk about the "The Pot Calling the Kettle Black"...............
I can't count the number of times I have told Dominicans I know, the exact same thing. I'll take the DR over any big city back home.
 

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None of this will add up to a hill of beans if they don't recover the body.
Exactly. An autopsy can determine if she died by drowning, a medical issue, or if she was assaulted physically or sexually. I don’t know how long alcohol stays in a dead body. Probably diluted to a non detectable level by now if she was drinking. Certain drugs have a long residency time as do some toxins, if drugs were involved. No body, no clues that means no resolution and unfortunately, no closure for her grieving parents.
 
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CristoRey

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Once the DR has made a final finding and announced it, it is more or less over (emotions and sentiments aside).

Influence does not equate to authority. There is absolutely nothing short of sanctions that can play a role here - and even that has weak grounds given the resources the DR has spent to look into it.
Arguably one of the dumbest things I've heard anyone say in a very long time.

The Dominican government with assistance from the US authorities are doing their absolute best to locate this young women.