Middle Class in DR

belgiank

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It appears it is a little low, nonetheless it makes my point even more relevant - thanks Pete.

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Read your own post well... on average you are correct. But then read the rest.

you said you took a course in statistics...

It is like saying the average wage in Saudi Arabia is probably a 100 times or even a 1000 times higher than the DR. Essentially it means that 10% of the working population has and makes 90% of the dough...

I have a university degree in statistics, and I know how to read them.

Mind you... for once I agree with you (damn, nearly got a heart-attack.. lol) about the poverty level here. Probably the averages are right as well, but if you have a degree in statistics, as you say you have, you know averages with such extremes are worthless.

btw, and not meant negatively. I was told the point at which somebody here had to start paying taxes was 25,ooo rds per month. I could be wrong, as I was told this last year.
 

Africaida

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Read your own post well... on average you are correct. But then read the rest.

you said you took a course in statistics...

It is like saying the average wage in Saudi Arabia is probably a 100 times or even a 1000 times higher than the DR. Essentially it means that 10% of the working population has and makes 90% of the dough...

I have a university degree in statistics, and I know how to read them.

Mind you... for once I agree with you (damn, nearly got a heart-attack.. lol) about the poverty level here. Probably the averages are right as well, but if you have a degree in statistics, as you say you have, you know averages with such extremes are worthless.

btw, and not meant negatively. I was told the point at which somebody here had to start paying taxes was 25,ooo rds per month. I could be wrong, as I was told this last year.

As long as your comparing averages with averages, nothing wrong with it. An higher average doesn't say anything about income distribution. So your assessment could be wrong about Saudi Arabia. It could also means that the one on top makes an insane amount of money which would bring the average up (my opinion).

Clearly, there are better indicators than averages though (such as median or mean).
 

Chip

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I don't know why this thread is prone to such exaggeration, ie I don't think it's fair to measure the DR by living standard's in the West. In other words I don't believe the DR is an impoverished nation, like for example Haiti, but rather poor. There is also a significant "middle class" and wealthy class as well. I have also lived here for over 6 months on less than US200 as many in the extended family do and while it may have not been fun there was always plenty to eat. I take that back, it was real fun because I played baseball everyday. :)
 

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Here are some facts courtesy of my profe Lic. Jorge Acosta and his guest speaker Lic. Bernardo Espinosa:

- The minimum yearly salary in order to have to pay income taxes is RD371,000(RD31k monthly).
- Less than 20% Dominicans qualify to pay income tax.
- The average wage is RD174,800
- the average US wage is almost 10 times more - for reference.

They both have accounting practices here in Santiago.

And if you were a bit brighter about the issue at hand: How much would you think a company that must pay about 14% of deeds per employee's wage to the gov will offer to report to the same gov the real wages they pay? How much do you think a Dominican that's facing the prospect of paying taxes on reported income over a set level, would report to the gov each year?

Be a bit smart on this one, unlike the haziness that dumbfounds your mind when trying to grasp the 0.4 and 0.5%...
 

PICHARDO

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I don't know why this thread is prone to such exaggeration, ie I don't think it's fair to measure the DR by living standard's in the West. In other words I don't believe the DR is an impoverished nation, like for example Haiti, but rather poor. There is also a significant "middle class" and wealthy class as well. I have also lived here for over 6 months on less than US200 as many in the extended family do and while it may have not been fun there was always plenty to eat. I take that back, it was real fun because I played baseball everyday. :)

Wow! No words to reply to this one...
 

belgiank

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As long as your comparing averages with averages, nothing wrong with it. An higher average doesn't say anything about income distribution. So your assessment could be wrong about Saudi Arabia. It could also means that the one on top makes an insane amount of money which would bring the average up (my opinion).

Clearly, there are better indicators than averages though (such as median or mean).

This is exactly what I meant, but you have said it so much better
 

Chip

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And if you were a bit brighter about the issue at hand: How much would you think a company that must pay about 14% of deeds per employee's wage to the gov will offer to report to the same gov the real wages they pay? How much do you think a Dominican that's facing the prospect of paying taxes on reported income over a set level, would report to the gov each year?

Be a bit smart on this one, unlike the haziness that dumbfounds your mind when trying to grasp the 0.4 and 0.5%...

Try to grasp basic arithmetic why don't you?
 

Chip

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Wow! Meant how in the world can that be done with a family and a house to upkeep Chip, take your mind out of the gutter for a sec here...

Based on your comment, what was i supposed to think??

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt then.
 
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Clearly, there are better indicators than averages though (such as median or mean).
The sample mean is an average of the elements (observations) of the sample. As a result, statistics deals with averages and the deviations from these averages which themselves are averaged out to produce the average deviation and in a more complex form the standard deviation. Thus, stats deals with averages of averages. The mode, median and mean are measurements of central tendency. In my own work, I deal with stats extensively.
 

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AGREEMENT
U.S. to help DR reduce mother to child transmission of HIV
STRATEGY to run in 16 Public hospitals in the country


EFE
Santo Domingo

Dominican Republic and the U.S. signed an agreement today to reduce the transmission of Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) positive pregnant women to their children less than 2%, the Ministry of Public Health.
The pact, signed by the health minister, Bautista Rojas Gomez, and U.S. Ambassador Raul H. Yzaguirre, also aims to reduce the incidence of congenital syphilis to less than 0.5 cases per 1,000 live births.

This strategy will be implemented in 16 hospitals nationwide that provide assistance to approximately 80% of pregnant women.

Health Minister reiterated the government's commitment "to continue providing technical and financial resources that are necessary" to continue to support various programs and measures designed to maintain coverage for control and prevention of HIV / AIDS in the Caribbean nation, where almost 60,000 people with the disease, according to a statement from his wallet.

He added that despite the economic situation of some international organizations supporting AIDS plans, the Government, through the health authorities "ensure the financial resources to successfully continue to decline indicators that disease ".

It also pledged to the U.S. ambassador "to promote efforts that are necessary for the impact of the positive indicators remain on the rise."

The Women and Health Collective, which since 1984 working in the defense of sexual and reproductive rights of Dominican women today described as worrying the low financial investment, in his opinion, by the State to combat the epidemic.

Such actions, he said, "rely primarily on international cooperation agencies, which are significantly reducing their support, for being the country's economy improved to a middle income category."

Most worrying of all, said, "is the reduction of resources from the Global Fund for AIDS, which took the DR from the group of priority countries."

"This means a high risk to ensure treatment for the sick and to prevent new infections," he said in a message during the World Day to Combat AIDS.

The UN acknowledged yesterday a decline in new cases of HIV infections in the Dominican Republic, but asked the country to identify and implement strategies to increase the sustainability of their response.

The UN representative in the country, Julliand Valerie said that since 2001 new cases of HIV have fallen by 25% in the Caribbean nation.

Report citing data Julliand Estimates and Projections of HIV prevalence and disease burden estimated at just over 58,000 people living with the disease in the country, of which 60% are women, and this population, Most are between 15 and 49.
























Wait... Not from a Dominican news source, not from a Dominican official, not from an NGO, not from an agency of the UN... But from the U.S. Ambassador Raul H. Yzaguirre??????


The C.I.A. better check this up in their knowledge base for all the countries!

Oh! Wait! The C.I.A. own's factbook reports the DR as the largest economy in the Caribbean and Central American region (as they don't recognize Puerto Rico's economy outside of their own economy status).
 

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Originally Posted by Chip
I don't know why this thread is prone to such exaggeration, ie I don't think it's fair to measure the DR by living standard's in the West. In other words I don't believe the DR is an impoverished nation, like for example Haiti, but rather poor. There is also a significant "middle class" and wealthy class as well. I have also lived here for over 6 months on less than US200 as many in the extended family do and while it may have not been fun there was always plenty to eat. I take that back, it was real fun because I played baseball everyday

Wow! No words to reply to this one...

Why are you so defensive. Do you feel shame that people think DR is a poor country? DR is doing slightly better that its neighbors Haiti and Cuba but far away to be a middle class country. $200 USD is not a huge amount but still a lot of money in DR.
pichardo is working hard to convince himself by posting couple pictures of nice condos and SUVs that DR is an affluent Caribbean paradise with higher living standard. LOL
 

NALs

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Why are you so defensive. Do you feel shame that people think DR is a poor country? DR is doing slightly better that its neighbors Haiti and Cuba but far away to be a middle class country. $200 USD is not a huge amount but still a lot of money in DR.
pichardo is working hard to convince himself by posting couple pictures of nice condos and SUVs that DR is an affluent Caribbean paradise with higher living standard. LOL
Actually, the Dominican Republic is doing better than most regions of the world.

For example, let’s look at GDP per capita (PPP) for 2012:

Dominican Republic $9,645

Compare that to the average of:

Emerging market and developing economies (aka, the Third World) $6,680
Caribbean $7,418
Central America $6,820
North Africa $6,981
Sub-Saharan Africa $2,472
Southeast Asia $5,808
South Asia $3,555
Pacific Islands $3,186

The change in the gap of the GDP per capita (PPP) of the United States with all the countries in Latin America was as follows (for the 1980-2011 period as percentage points; negative means the gap is closing while positive means its widening):

Chile -9
Panam? -7
Rep?blica Dominicana -4
Argentina -3
Uruguay -3
Colombia -2
El Salvador +2
Ecuador +4
Hait? +4
Paraguay +4
Per? +4
Honduras +5
Bolivia +6
Brasil +6
Guatemala +8
M?xico +10
Venezuela +21

Basically, the Dominican Republic has been closing the gap with the United States at a faster rate than all Latin American countries except Panama and Chile. Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Cuba were excluded due to a lack of complete data or no data at all.

In terms of improvements in the purchasing power of the people for the 1980-2011 period, the ranking looks like this:

Chile 5.8
Panam? 5.1
Rep?blica Dominicana 4.8
Uruguay 4.4
Colombia 4.1
Estados Unidos 3.9
Argentina 3.6
El Salvador 3.5
Per? 3.3
Ecuador 3.2
Brasil 3.1
M?xico 2.9
Paraguay 2.8
Honduras 2.6
Bolivia 2.4
Guatemala 2.2
Venezuela 2.1
Hait? 1.4

Once again, the Dominican Republic’s purchasing power in 2011 was 4.8 times greater than in 1980, that registering as the greatest increase in well being among all countries in Latin America except for Panama and Chile. Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Cuba were excluded due to a lack of complete data or no data at all.

The changes in the gap between Latin American countries and developed countries as a whole, during the 1980-2011 period, was (in percentage points):

Chile -13
Panam? -7
Rep?blica Dominicana -3
Uruguay -3
Colombia -1
El Salvador +3
Hait? +5
Honduras +5
Argentina +6
Ecuador +6
Per? +6
Paraguay +7
Bolivia +8
Brasil +10
Guatemala +11
M?xico +15
Venezuela +18

Do you see a trend?

Changes in the gap with Spain during the 1980-2011 period was as follows (in percentage points):

Chile -16
Panam? -9
Rep?blica Dominicana -4
Uruguay -2
Colombia 0
El Salvador +5
Hait? +7
Ecuador +8
Honduras +8
Per? +8
Argentina +9
Paraguay +9
Bolivia +11
Brasil +13
Guatemala +14
M?xico +21
Venezuela +37

In essence, the Dominican Republic is not only one of the few countries that has actually gotten closer to the developed countries, but it has consistently been beaten by only two countries, Panama and Chile. Every other Latin American country has experienced economic growth and an increase in well being, but developed countries have grown and experienced an even larger increase, so much so that despite all the growth, most Latin American countries are falling behind, except for a small group of nations, Dominican Republic among them.

What this also means is that the Dominican Republic is one of the countries that converges the most with other Latin American countries. This is evidenced when the country’s production of the 1950s is compared with that of the early 2000s. In the former the Dominican Republic was the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Haiti was marginally better off, but by the beginning of the 21st Century, the Dominican Republic already situates itself close to the Latin American median and is the country that has increased the most positions in well being during that half century.

Had the Dominican Republic achieved the gains it has during the 1950s-2000s half century but starting at the level of development it finds itself right now, today the country would had been among the most developed in Latin America, giving Chile a run for its money. But, we started from a very low base, we simply had the worst indicators but the gains have been the greatest. Most other Latin American countries rank pretty much exactly where they did half a century ago, except for a select few, the Dominican Republic distinguishing itself from the pack.

LOL
 
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Actually, the Dominican Republic is doing better than most regions of the world.

For example, let’s look at GDP per capita (PPP) for 2012:

Dominican Republic $9,645

Compare that to the average of:

Emerging market and developing economies (aka, the Third World) $6,680
Caribbean $7,418
Central America $6,820
North Africa $6,981
Sub-Saharan Africa $2,472
Southeast Asia $5,808
South Asia $3,555
Pacific Islands $3,186

The change in the gap of the GDP per capita (PPP) of the United States with all the countries in Latin America was as follows (for the 1980-2011 period as percentage points; negative means the gap is closing while positive means its widening):

Chile -9
Panam? -7
Rep?blica Dominicana -4
Argentina -3
Uruguay -3
Colombia -2
El Salvador +2
Ecuador +4
Hait? +4
Paraguay +4
Per? +4
Honduras +5
Bolivia +6
Brasil +6
Guatemala +8
M?xico +10
Venezuela +21

Basically, the Dominican Republic has been closing the gap with the United States at a faster rate than all Latin American countries except Panama and Chile. Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Cuba were excluded due to a lack of complete data or no data at all.

In terms of improvements in the purchasing power of the people for the 1980-2011 period, the ranking looks like this:

Chile 5.8
Panam? 5.1
Rep?blica Dominicana 4.8
Uruguay 4.4
Colombia 4.1
Estados Unidos 3.9
Argentina 3.6
El Salvador 3.5
Per? 3.3
Ecuador 3.2
Brasil 3.1
M?xico 2.9
Paraguay 2.8
Honduras 2.6
Bolivia 2.4
Guatemala 2.2
Venezuela 2.1
Hait? 1.4

Once again, the Dominican Republic’s purchasing power in 2011 was 4.8 times greater than in 1980, that registering as the greatest increase in well being among all countries in Latin America except for Panama and Chile. Costa Rica, Nicaragua, and Cuba were excluded due to a lack of complete data or no data at all.

The changes in the gap between Latin American countries and developed countries as a whole, during the 1980-2011 period, was (in percentage points):

Chile -13
Panam? -7
Rep?blica Dominicana -3
Uruguay -3
Colombia -1
El Salvador +3
Hait? +5
Honduras +5
Argentina +6
Ecuador +6
Per? +6
Paraguay +7
Bolivia +8
Brasil +10
Guatemala +11
M?xico +15
Venezuela +18

Do you see a trend?

Changes in the gap with Spain during the 1980-2011 period was as follows (in percentage points):

Chile -16
Panam? -9
Rep?blica Dominicana -4
Uruguay -2
Colombia 0
El Salvador +5
Hait? +7
Ecuador +8
Honduras +8
Per? +8
Argentina +9
Paraguay +9
Bolivia +11
Brasil +13
Guatemala +14
M?xico +21
Venezuela +37

In essence, the Dominican Republic is not only one of the few countries that has actually gotten closer to the developed countries, but it has consistently been beaten by only two countries, Panama and Chile. Every other Latin American country has experienced economic growth and an increase in well being, but developed countries have grown and experienced an even larger increase, so much so that despite all the growth, most Latin American countries are falling behind, except for a small group of nations, Dominican Republic among them.

What this also means is that the Dominican Republic is one of the countries that converges the most with other Latin American countries. This is evidenced when the country’s production of the 1950s is compared with that of the early 2000s. In the former the Dominican Republic was the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Haiti was marginally better off, but by the beginning of the 21st Century, the Dominican Republic already situates itself close to the Latin American median and is the country that has increased the most positions in well being during that half century.

Had the Dominican Republic achieved the gains it has during the 1950s-2000s half century but starting at the level of development it finds itself right now, today the country would had been among the most developed in Latin America, giving Chile a run for its money. But, we started from a very low base, we simply had the worst indicators but the gains have been the greatest. Most other Latin American countries rank pretty much exactly where they did half a century ago, except for a select few, the Dominican Republic distinguishing itself from the pack.

LOL