57% of Dominicans live in poverty

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RacerX

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dude, why is it people just don't seem to understand what I am trying to say?
I am not the one who makes fun of poor? I am not the one who sits with other foreigners and talk about dominican habits? I do not sleep with my maid and obligate her to perform sexual favors to me. I do not help a poor family in exchange to sleep with their young daughter. I am not the one who supports 3 young poor kids and then sleep with their mom. You will be surprised to see how much there is to know and see behind the people who claim to be friends with the poor in this country.
I simply have no contact with poor voluntarily. They do not know I exist and I do not worry about their problems. If one falls in my way, I will help, like I have done all my life but I am not going to make friends with some motoconcho guy and then support his family all my life. I do not have contact with poor any more so I do not even see them. So how is it i am looking down at them? I don't have any homosexual friends either, and I am sure the gays can care less about me, so how am I looking down at them?
Its just I am not here to save the whales or to save the poor. I will do what comes my way, but I refuse to be a pendejo, looking to support families in some barrio. I have enough people in my family who are in financial ruins in atlanta. I do not have to sent money to some people I do not know. I will help my family first and this is exactly what i am doing now. I have also sent money to haiti, to pakistani earth quake victims and to my poor family members in pakistan. So sir, i am not the one sitting in cabarete in some gringo bar and laughing at dominicans.
AZB

That, good man, is the real deal truth! Bout time you said something that cut to the chase! I was worried about you for a minute there!

And the same goes for fag-ass missionaries. Dont believe that Spread the Good Word of Jesus bllsht! They are doing that same damn thing! Its nothing to put one of these ghetto families on his payroll so he gives with their right hand while holding to the Bible with the left. But the stipulation is that every woman in the house gotta give him a piece. He got the mom and the teenage daughters in his bed. But to him these are "good works". Take $250 and Give a 2 ghetto women $125/month and you can do whatever you want with them. They go back to Indiana or wherever and talk about the sweet latina chicks they have other there. How much they have them for and what they do with them.
 

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Have I ever said anything about education being wasted on poor kids?
I'm 100% in favor of better education and opportunities for children, why wouldn't I be?

I agree, education is one of things that are needed in order to break the cycle of poverty with kids. Without education, the odds are stacked against them.

Educating kids is like preventative maintenance to protect the future. Unfortunately, if you spend anytime living here and interacting with poorer adult Dominicans, you know that for the majority, preventative maintenance is not part of the vocabulary.

But... Most people on this board do not actually interact with Dominicans or have a clue about their daily lives, needs, issues etc. When they do, it's usually a brief interaction between poor Dominicans that are servicing them in some way. Cleaner, maid, cook, watchyman, whore etc.

When AZB and some others are talking about the poor, they are NOT talking about little 5yr old Juan, but about his Dad or mother, or maybe his adult sister etc.

Do you think paying Juan's parents higher wages or offering to re-educate them will increase Juan's maths scores? Highly unlikely, because it's too late for his parents. He will see a new stereo or shopping bags from Nacional instead of Ola long before benifiting in form of a new text book, educational DVD's etc.

What about Juan's older sister that cannot be bothered to get a job because it's easier to make RD$3,000 for a couple of hours work whoring herself. His sister's income is not going to improve his math's scores, she's too busy buying a new Blackberry or working out what dress to buy.

Have you ever seen the barrio loan system or know how the corner prestomista works? Talk about keep them poor! Yet most poor cannot see how it keeps them poor. They see it as an everyday necessity and handy if they need to buy something new and shiny.

I could go on and on about the stuff I see everyday that enables the cycle of poverty to continue, stuff I personally cannot change and a lot of stuff the poor don't want changed. So I leave the "adult" poor alone, let them deal with their BS and get on with their lives.
Well said.
 

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And the same goes for fag-ass missionaries. Dont believe that Spread the Good Word of Jesus bllsht! They are doing that same damn thing!
Your extreme bias is showing and I just lost a ton of respect for you (not that you'll find that life changing.)

My wife's family are some of those religious "missionaries" of which you speak.

Go look at the One day in Haiti Thread in the General Forum. Go click the links to their charities. Then get back to me about the "Good Word of Jesus" *bllsht*.

While YOUR cheap ass out trying to score with a Dominicana lawyer and then complaining when she acts appropriately within her culture, those folks are working on top of their regular job to help folks having a hard time helping themselves, feeding the poor, building wells and banos in the Third World.

Why do they do it? They have a sincere belief that God charters them to do so.

You don't have to be a religious person to appreciate the fine works these folks do. But you do have to be a jerk to castigate them and classify all as predators.
 

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Excellent, excellent post Robert. Maybe this will clear things up for the folks.

Unfortunately it will not clear up anything as most people who are discussing "how to improve lives of the poor" have little idea of the poverty culture here, sadly they know more about the corruption of edi amin and mugabi than the dominican social system. Funny gringos are discussing the solution to the poverty in DR among each other, as though they have the power to make changes. As if president Fernandez is reading this thread. hahahaha.
They can suggest all they want, but their voice don't go farther than each other's computer screens yet they are so emotional and enthusiastic in their posts. It makes me want to think, non of them have a serious job or a real hobby. They are dying to see a new topic and then beat it to death.
Non of the idealistic folks who want to change the DR social/education system actually live here full time or actually interact with any real dominican, except their maids, taxi driver, local bar chulo, colmado owner or maybe once in 6 month, they chat with their lawyer. Why is it the expats who live outside of resort areas who actually work and interact with dominicans seem to agree with each other yet the outsiders are always on opposing side?
Its quite clear, some people will have a hard time adjusting to the life style here and they will never understand the culture and dominican habits if they think with their american/european mindsets.
Its good to see threads like this, one knows exactly who is a fulltime resident here and who is just a tourist.
AZB
 

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Whatever happens at most Government schools is a joke.
Quite often and for minor reasons teachers do not show up and if they do cannot be bothered to do their job.

donP
Then you don't know many teachers here.

No doubt some perform poorly...just like teachers in the states protected by the teachers unions.

But I know a bunch, and most are incredibly dedicated in spite of the challenges they face.

The teaching and educational culture here is different, but that doesn't make it all poor.

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Unfortunately it will not clear up anything as most people who are discussing "how to improve lives of the poor" have little idea of the poverty culture here, sadly they know more about the corruption of edi amin and mugabi than the dominican social system. Funny gringos are discussing the solution to the poverty in DR among each other, as though they have the power to make changes. As if president Fernandez is reading this thread. hahahaha.
They can suggest all they want, but their voice don't go farther than each other's computer screens yet they are so emotional and enthusiastic in their posts. It makes me want to think, non of them have a serious job or a real hobby. They are dying to see a new topic and then beat it to death.
Non of the idealistic folks who want to change the DR social/education system actually live here full time or actually interact with any real dominican, except their maids, taxi driver, local bar chulo, colmado owner or maybe once in 6 month, they chat with their lawyer. Why is it the expats who live outside of resort areas who actually work and interact with dominicans seem to agree with each other yet the outsiders are always on opposing side?
Its quite clear, some people will have a hard time adjusting to the life style here and they will never understand the culture and dominican habits if they think with their american/european mindsets.
Its good to see threads like this, one knows exactly who is a fulltime resident here and who is just a tourist.
AZB
Good points.

When one lives or visits within an expat community and only peripherally having to deal within the Dominican culture and/or earn their living within it, there is no need to understand it.

As I said before, the longer I live here the more I see tourists and expats safely ensconsed within an expat community as totally disconnected with the Dominican culture.
 

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Have I ever said anything about education being wasted on poor kids?
I'm 100% in favor of better education and opportunities for children, why wouldn't I be?

I agree, education is one of things that are needed in order to break the cycle of poverty with kids. Without education, the odds are stacked against them.

Educating kids is like preventative maintenance to protect the future. Unfortunately, if you spend anytime living here and interacting with poorer adult Dominicans, you know that for the majority, preventative maintenance is not part of the vocabulary.

But... Most people on this board do not actually interact with Dominicans or have a clue about their daily lives, needs, issues etc. When they do, it's usually a brief interaction between poor Dominicans that are servicing them in some way. Cleaner, maid, cook, watchyman, whore etc.

When AZB and some others are talking about the poor, they are NOT talking about little 5yr old Juan, but about his Dad or mother, or maybe his adult sister etc.

Do you think paying Juan's parents higher wages or offering to re-educate them will increase Juan's maths scores? Highly unlikely, because it's too late for his parents. He will see a new stereo or shopping bags from Nacional instead of Ola long before benifiting in form of a new text book, educational DVD's etc.

What about Juan's older sister that cannot be bothered to get a job because it's easier to make RD$3,000 for a couple of hours work whoring herself. His sister's income is not going to improve his math's scores, she's too busy buying a new Blackberry or working out what dress to buy.

Have you ever seen the barrio loan system or know how the corner prestomista works? Talk about keep them poor! Yet most poor cannot see how it keeps them poor. They see it as an everyday necessity and handy if they need to buy something new and shiny.

I could go on and on about the stuff I see everyday that enables the cycle of poverty to continue, stuff I personally cannot change and a lot of stuff the poor don't want changed. So I leave the "adult" poor alone, let them deal with their BS and get on with their lives.

You re right man, but I think there are 2 arguments here. There is

a: how to help the poor or curtail the perpetual trajectory of poverty in Hispaniola and;

b. how many people in Hispaniola have no money management, financial planning or other likewise skills in economic sustainability.


I think people should only be concerned with a. Micro-loans or something of that sort.

The b. people I could care less about. I try to talk to these people and tell them how shortsighted that is. But you know the deal, why listen to me? If I m not prepared to "share" my wealth with you then there must be something wrong with me. As in the little sister tale you mentioned I have even had "lil sis" rationalize whoring to me. Its like WC Fields says "There is a sucker born every minute".
Also makes you think, well how good of a business could YOU be if you bought every pitch someone brought to your door?

And with respect to the Biblical phrase "Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime". Well that would work with group a. But group b.? Ha! Group b. will tell you "I dont want to fish and I dont want to eat fish. I want steak. Why dont YOU go out and get one and GIVE it to me." Is that about right?
 

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You re right man, but I think there are 2 arguments here. There is

a: how to help the poor or curtail the perpetual trajectory of poverty in Hispaniola and;

b. how many people in Hispaniola have no money management, financial planning or other likewise skills in economic sustainability.


I think people should only be concerned with a. Micro-loans or something of that sort.

The b. people I could care less about. I try to talk to these people and tell them how shortsighted that is. But you know the deal, why listen to me? If I m not prepared to "share" my wealth with you then there must be something wrong with me. As in the little sister tale you mentioned I have even had "lil sis" rationalize whoring to me. Its like WC Fields says "There is a sucker born every minute".
Also makes you think, well how good of a business could YOU be if you bought every pitch someone brought to your door?

And with respect to the Biblical phrase "Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime". Well that would work with group a. But group b.? Ha! Group b. will tell you "I dont want to fish and I dont want to eat fish. I want steak. Why dont YOU go out and get one and GIVE it to me." Is that about right?
Your post is nothing more that trying to paddle backwards after making some truly ignorant statements.
 
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RacerX

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Your extreme bias is showing and I just lost a ton of respect for you (not that you'll find that life changing.)

My wife's family are some of those religious "missionaries" of which you speak.

Go look at the One day in Haiti Thread in the General Forum. Go click the links to their charities. Then get back to me about the "Good Word of Jesus" *bllsht*.

While YOUR cheap ass out trying to score with a Dominicana lawyer and then complaining when she acts appropriately within her culture, those folks are working on top of their regular job to help folks having a hard time helping themselves, feeding the poor, building wells and banos in the Third World.

Why do they do it? They have a sincere belief that God charters them to do so.

You don't have to be a religious person to appreciate the fine works these folks do. But you do have to be a jerk to castigate them and classify all as predators.

1. I dont have a bias. If you here to help people you are here to help people. You dont need the Good Word of Jesus to help people and since you ve been here a while you ll kindly take note: THE GOOD WORD OF JESUS IS ALREADY HERE YET IN A DIFFERENT TONGUE. There aint no words in their Bible that aint in the ones that are already here.

2. When I wrote fag-ass missionaries there were more words in the following sentences which described which missionaries are the fag ass ones.

3. Speaking of HAITI, thank you, proves my point about the relativity of fag-ass Missionaries. How about the group from IDAHO who openly "THANKED GOD" that their plane arrived to take them back home after the US Air Force took control of air traffic in Puerto Principe after the earthquake? You thank god that you can escape this hell hole after literally all hell has broke loose. What about the Haitians? If you are a REAL MISSIONARY AND NOT A FAG-ASS MISSIONARY you would have stayed in Haiti after the earthquake because you are needed more NOW than before. Haitians thank God that they are alive...but alas have no place to go, no one to rescue them and the missionaries? Oh, when it really got bad??????? The Fags left.

When I use fag this is not an anti-homosexuality insult, this is a ideological attack that if you are who you purport to be you dont not bail when people need you the most. If you are a doctor and in the midst of a natural disaster you determine that you cannot help anyone because you arent getting paid, YOU ARE A FAG! You help people for the love of humanity and that is what you do. You take a Hippocratic Oath, not a Hipoteca Oath.

Your wife is a missionary so she s heard this: Your riches in the afterlife are determined by the works you do today. If she was holding it down in times of turmoil then congratulations, you re wife isnt a fag-ass missionary. But the person who feels, just as much as the wealthy do, that it is your job to exploit the destitute with tales of transcendent glory and fresh baked raisin bread in heaven while they toil in the sun and suffer from hunger is a fraud. When an earthquake comes you pick up your stained panties and flee to the safe confines of "home" you are a fraud. You are a fairweather friend...Proselytizing the "good word of Jesus" but genuflecting a superiority complex. CB, you re a parent right? I am. And I know this...YOUR CHILDREN BECOME WHO THEY ARE BASED ON WHAT YOU DO, NOT WHAT YOU SAY.
What good is a missionary that comes to redeem his spirit with charity in my man made misery but flees in the face of natural calamity? Excuse me but, dfk outta here. The natural calamity is a test of faith. And they failed. Even in the ensuing disorder there were other missionaries who came in to enterprise child exploitation and I presume slavery. Am I wrong? Ok, your wife didnt do that, but the fag-ass ones did.

Must be a lot of money to be made in keeping people poor, right? Even more in pretending to actually help them(with conditions).
 

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1. I dont have a bias. If you here to help people you are here to help people. You dont need the Good Word of Jesus to help people and since you ve been here a while you ll kindly take note: THE GOOD WORD OF JESUS IS ALREADY HERE YET IN A DIFFERENT TONGUE. There aint no words in their Bible that aint in the ones that are already here.

2. When I wrote fag-ass missionaries there were more words in the following sentences which described which missionaries are the fag ass ones.

3. Speaking of HAITI, thank you, proves my point about the relativity of fag-ass Missionaries. How about the group from IDAHO who openly "THANKED GOD" that their plane arrived to take them back home after the US Air Force took control of air traffic in Puerto Principe after the earthquake? You thank god that you can escape this hell hole after literally all hell has broke loose. What about the Haitians? If you are a REAL MISSIONARY AND NOT A FAG-ASS MISSIONARY you would have stayed in Haiti after the earthquake because you are needed more NOW than before. Haitians thank God that they are alive...but alas have no place to go, no one to rescue them and the missionaries? Oh, when it really got bad??????? The Fags left.

When I use fag this is not an anti-homosexuality insult, this is a ideological attack that if you are who you purport to be you dont not bail when people need you the most. If you are a doctor and in the midst of a natural disaster you determine that you cannot help anyone because you arent getting paid, YOU ARE A FAG! You help people for the love of humanity and that is what you do. You take a Hippocratic Oath, not a Hipoteca Oath.

Your wife is a missionary so she s heard this: Your riches in the afterlife are determined by the works you do today. If she was holding it down in times of turmoil then congratulations, you re wife isnt a fag-ass missionary. But the person who feels, just as much as the wealthy do, that it is your job to exploit the destitute with tales of transcendent glory and fresh baked raisin bread in heaven while they toil in the sun and suffer from hunger is a fraud. When an earthquake comes you pick up your stained panties and flee to the safe confines of "home" you are a fraud. You are a fairweather friend...Proselytizing the "good word of Jesus" but genuflecting a superiority complex. CB, you re a parent right? I am. And I know this...YOUR CHILDREN BECOME WHO THEY ARE BASED ON WHAT YOU DO, NOT WHAT YOU SAY.
What good is a missionary that comes to redeem his spirit with charity in my man made misery but flees in the face of natural calamity? Excuse me but, dfk outta here. The natural calamity is a test of faith. And they failed. Even in the ensuing disorder there were other missionaries who came in to enterprise child exploitation and I presume slavery. Am I wrong? Ok, your wife didnt do that, but the fag-ass ones did.

Must be a lot of money to be made in keeping people poor, right? Even more in pretending to actually help them(with conditions).
More back-paddling.

1) I have no children.

2) My wife is NOT a missionary or even religious.

3) I am not at all religious.

4) Just stop it. You're as biased as they come. You have no clue as to what you speak, just second-hand jibberish that fits your social/political/cultural paradigm. You've officially shown your colors.

5) I'm done responding to you: forever. Moron.
 
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RacerX

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More back-paddling.

1) I have no children.

2) My wife is NOT a missionary or even religious.

3) I am not at all religious.

4) Just stop it. You're as biased as they come. You have no clue as to what you speak, just second-hand jibberish that fits your social/political/cultural paradigm. You've officially shown your colors.

5) I'm done responding to you: forever. Moron.


5. You sound like a frivolous woman.
4. You sound like a bitter woman.
2, 3. Then why you got your panties in a bunch? Which I can only assume would happen if you are a engorged woman.
1. You sound like a scorned woman.

Apart from the ad hominem attacks, I ll tell you what:

If you act now and send me $29.95(US) you can join my fan club, which entails the member to get an official RacerX bi-monthly newsletter, 7" bumper sticker, 100% cotton ball cap and an autographed copy of my limited edition cookbook.

Act Now! Supplies are limited.
 

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Unfortunately it will not clear up anything as most people who are discussing "how to improve lives of the poor" have little idea of the poverty culture here, sadly they know more about the corruption of edi amin and mugabi than the dominican social system. Funny gringos are discussing the solution to the poverty in DR among each other, as though they have the power to make changes. As if president Fernandez is reading this thread. hahahaha.
They can suggest all they want, but their voice don't go farther than each other's computer screens yet they are so emotional and enthusiastic in their posts. It makes me want to think, non of them have a serious job or a real hobby. They are dying to see a new topic and then beat it to death.
Non of the idealistic folks who want to change the DR social/education system actually live here full time or actually interact with any real dominican, except their maids, taxi driver, local bar chulo, colmado owner or maybe once in 6 month, they chat with their lawyer. Why is it the expats who live outside of resort areas who actually work and interact with dominicans seem to agree with each other yet the outsiders are always on opposing side?
Its quite clear, some people will have a hard time adjusting to the life style here and they will never understand the culture and dominican habits if they think with their american/european mindsets.
Its good to see threads like this, one knows exactly who is a fulltime resident here and who is just a tourist.
AZB

I think nobody is trying to beat this thread to dead and is this board not there to discuss and learn things? I find this a very interesting thread reading post from expats and Dominicans and if I can I will give my opinion, its just an opinion, a thought, just like yours are.
 

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Then you don't know many teachers here.

No doubt some perform poorly...just like teachers in the states protected by the teachers unions.

But I know a bunch, and most are incredibly dedicated in spite of the challenges they face.

The teaching and educational culture here is different, but that doesn't make it all poor.

:bored:

Its not because there are unions that the quality of work delivered is going down. Please don't generalize THAT idea!
 

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Have I ever said anything about education being wasted on poor kids?
I'm 100% in favor of better education and opportunities for children, why wouldn't I be?

I agree, education is one of things that are needed in order to break the cycle of poverty with kids. Without education, the odds are stacked against them.

Educating kids is like preventative maintenance to protect the future. Unfortunately, if you spend anytime living here and interacting with poorer adult Dominicans, you know that for the majority, preventative maintenance is not part of the vocabulary.

But... Most people on this board do not actually interact with Dominicans or have a clue about their daily lives, needs, issues etc. When they do, it's usually a brief interaction between poor Dominicans that are servicing them in some way. Cleaner, maid, cook, watchyman, whore etc.

When AZB and some others are talking about the poor, they are NOT talking about little 5yr old Juan, but about his Dad or mother, or maybe his adult sister etc.

Do you think paying Juan's parents higher wages or offering to re-educate them will increase Juan's maths scores? Highly unlikely, because it's too late for his parents. He will see a new stereo or shopping bags from Nacional instead of Ola long before benifiting in form of a new text book, educational DVD's etc.

What about Juan's older sister that cannot be bothered to get a job because it's easier to make RD$3,000 for a couple of hours work whoring herself. His sister's income is not going to improve his math's scores, she's too busy buying a new Blackberry or working out what dress to buy.

Have you ever seen the barrio loan system or know how the corner prestomista works? Talk about keep them poor! Yet most poor cannot see how it keeps them poor. They see it as an everyday necessity and handy if they need to buy something new and shiny.

I could go on and on about the stuff I see everyday that enables the cycle of poverty to continue, stuff I personally cannot change and a lot of stuff the poor don't want changed. So I leave the "adult" poor alone, let them deal with their BS and get on with their lives.

I agree in part, pretty much until you get to the "but" part.

Preventative medicine wouldn't be in your vocabulary either, if you were dealing with an open wound at the time. Most of these folks are clearly living on a day by day basis. More than a few posters on this site have romanticized it as carefree living, but it sucks when you're poor, even more so when you're a poor child.

Look, there is no "magic bullet" to solving poverty, especially in a third world country. Further, it is exceedingly difficult to get people who have lived their entire lives in shacks to get out of the poverty mentality. I'd go as far as to say there's a general consensus on this board to that.

I haven't suggested that people who are financially comfortable should sell their belongings, donate the proceeds to the poor, and take up where Mother Teresa left off. Again, being poor is not ennobling, and I for one am grateful that I don't have to live like that.

I AM suggesting that anyone who wants to do more than provide empty rhetoric and isolated observations about drunk waiters should begin where the most long-term good can be accomplished: with the young.

When AZB and others are talking about poverty, they ARE talking about the young. I mean, where do you think "Little Juan's" parents and whoring sister came from? They were kids themselves at one time, and who knows how their lives would have turned out had they been provided the same education as, say, most of us.

Dominican poverty isn't somehow unique so that only long term expats can "get it." The mentality is similar in American and European ghettoes, and in the poorest segments of virtually all countries.

Finally, the axiom "a rising tide lifts all boats" is an axiom for a reason. If we truly want to get Little Juan's sister off her back and on her feet (and I have a feeling some of us may be opposed to that for extraordinarily selfish reasons), the way to do that is to create a true working/middle class that can include her. And that takes an investment of time. Decades, actually.

Better education leads to better skills, which lead to better jobs paying more money, which leads to more consumption and investment, which generates more tax revenue for the state, which can be used to help build hard and soft infrastructure which includes - you guessed it - better education.
 

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I agree in part, pretty much until you get to the "but" part.

Preventative medicine wouldn't be in your vocabulary either, if you were dealing with an open wound at the time. Most of these folks are clearly living on a day by day basis. More than a few posters on this site have romanticized it as carefree living, but it sucks when you're poor, even more so when you're a poor child.

Look, there is no "magic bullet" to solving poverty, especially in a third world country. Further, it is exceedingly difficult to get people who have lived their entire lives in shacks to get out of the poverty mentality. I'd go as far as to say there's a general consensus on this board to that.

I haven't suggested that people who are financially comfortable should sell their belongings, donate the proceeds to the poor, and take up where Mother Teresa left off. Again, being poor is not ennobling, and I for one am grateful that I don't have to live like that.

I AM suggesting that anyone who wants to do more than provide empty rhetoric and isolated observations about drunk waiters should begin where the most long-term good can be accomplished: with the young.

When AZB and others are talking about poverty, they ARE talking about the young. I mean, where do you think "Little Juan's" parents and whoring sister came from? They were kids themselves at one time, and who knows how their lives would have turned out had they been provided the same education as, say, most of us.

Dominican poverty isn't somehow unique so that only long term expats can "get it." The mentality is similar in American and European ghettoes, and in the poorest segments of virtually all countries.

Finally, the axiom "a rising tide lifts all boats" is an axiom for a reason. If we truly want to get Little Juan's sister off her back and on her feet (and I have a feeling some of us may be opposed to that for extraordinarily selfish reasons), the way to do that is to create a true working/middle class that can include her. And that takes an investment of time. Decades, actually.

Better education leads to better skills, which lead to better jobs paying more money, which leads to more consumption and investment, which generates more tax revenue for the state, which can be used to help build hard and soft infrastructure which includes - you guessed it - better education.

Nice idealistic dream. You can wake up now. We are not in kansas. This is domincian republic and your gringo mindset should have been left behind at atlanta airport. I am not worried, you will learn your lesson the hard way.
Have a nice weekend.
AZB
 

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When I use fag this is not an anti-homosexuality insult, this is a ideological attack that if you are who you purport to be you dont not bail when people need you the most. If you are a doctor and in the midst of a natural disaster you determine that you cannot help anyone because you arent getting paid, YOU ARE A FAG! You help people for the love of humanity and that is what you do. You take a Hippocratic Oath, not a Hipoteca Oath.
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The word you are looking for is "HYPOCRITE" instead of "FAG". And in the gospel, Jesus despised hypocrites.

(Moderator: I realize that's a bit off subject, but I felt that needed clarification.)

RacerX: Although I don't agree with your word choice and I think you may be over-generalizing missionaries, you do indeed make a good point.

Those of us who are not native Dominicans and who have not sought citizenship should take care when discussing what we perceive as the ills of Dominican society, for two reasons:

1. We are guests here (self-invited guests at that), and it is not polite to criticize hosts when one is a guest.

2. We can come across as condescending hypocrites, given that each of our home nations have issues to be addressed as well.

This thread, it seems, has identified many of the reasons for poverty. Now, let's see if we can each come up with ways that we personally can make a contribution to the home of our wonderful Dominican hosts.

(For example, if you read through AZB's posts, you will see that he is generous to those who approach him with a need.)
 
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