A desperate plea

[BushBaby]

Pete,
Forgive please the rather blunt & forceful manner this is written in. It may appear dispassionate, but I assure you it is not!!

You have received advice from medically trained & experienced, you have received advice from knowledgeable & (emotionally) experienced, you have received advice from knowledgeable people who have researched the topic.
ALL SAY THE SAME THING namely, to forget the herbal route & follow the acknowledged medical route. I appreciate your dilemma & would not wish to be in your shoes BUT ........ biting the bullet is the only answer & you must (for your own sanity) fight the "Dominican Optimism" with a really heavy shot of British/North American/Eurorean REALISM.

Words like "It is MY way or NO way", "If you can't do it the way we have been advised by EXPERTS, then you must be responsible our daughter's death. I will be responsible for our daughter's operation & healing AND her future, if we go the way suggested by knowledgeable medical practitioners".

Harsh words I know - you would obviously wish to couch them in a way more suitable to your style, BUT the same message needs to be got across!!

I wish you Good Luck in this difficult task & hope for your daughter's sake that YOUR determination & fortitude is greater than that of your partner!! May your internet investigations this weekend & Monday's telephone calls to England & the British Ambassador in Santo Domingo be successful. ~ Grahame.

 

[Lambada]

You can't do better than Dr. Jim's advice in my view - if he can't persuade your girlfriend as to the need for surgery then I guess all that is left to you is tough love and refusing to pay for anything but surgery.

Wish you well.

 

[peteclaffey]

thanks Grahame, I take all you say on board.I wish that they had not visited this man.They went to see him last Monday in Santiago , knowing the situation as well as I do I didnt see the need to go with them , that was a big mistake on my part.They came home later that night so full of optimism, I and my friends try to reason but to them we are being negative , as I said earlier they had reluctantl accepted the situation, were seeeing the doctor in Pop for counselling to prepare them for the difficult times ahead , now this has all gone out of the window .Now i have to go with them in 2 weeks time to herbal man , and hope he will tell them the truth, at the moment thats all I can think to do.If its possible to make them uderstand Anaise will have to be treated rapidly, then all I have to do is worry about expense, but I cross that bridge when i come to it.They did not even take records of Anaise with them , e.g Mri scans biopsy reports etc, so how this guy filled them with so much optism I dont understand , but to be very honest after so much anguish lately its been good to see beautiful smiling faces again, even though I know its a false optimism

 

[SamanaJon]

Peter....be firm....or give up ( 2 options)

Peter, you know what you must do....so do it now, as it is getting late in the process! Everyone is advising you on what to do or what you should do, take the advise... if not ..I am sorry for you. Good luck and wish you and your family well.

 

[Lambada]

Now i have to go with them in 2 weeks time to herbal man , and hope he will tell them the truth, at the moment thats all I can think to do.If its possible to make them uderstand Anaise will have to be treated rapidly, then all I have to do is worry about expense, but I cross that bridge when i come to it.

The general advice given here by Dr. Jim and by your daughter's doctors is not to wait 2 weeks. And other suggestions have been made too. I appreciate you're in a crisis situation yourself over this and that makes it difficult to hear everything said but Dr. Jim said 'without the removal and chemo....she will not survive..period. time is very important....act now'

He couldn't have made it any clearer.

 

[Berzin]

Pete, please answer this question for us-aside from recommending doctors and clinics to call, what EXACTLY are you asking us for? Is there anything else you need from us? Please let us know as time is of the essence.

As for your wife, you need to put your foot down with this herbalist. You are talking to someone who has had cancer TWICE and I can tell you I have almost come to blows with well-meaning people telling me I was stupid for have surgery and doing chemo instead of consulting a "wellness specialist" who had no training as an MD.

And that smile on her face? Hows' it going to look when she's gotten worse and that bozo herbalist is laughing all the way to the bank?

Dude, you're the man of the house-put your damn foot down and don't let this crap go one bit further.

 

[simpson Homer]

Cuba

I have not idea about the kind of ill but, back in 1998 a guy who used to work with me, he had an accident after was taken to "Dario Contreras Hospital" for broken leg he suddenly got some kind bug that was eating the bones where he got injured. The guy went to Cuba and save his leg.

In Dominican Rep. Some Doctors are not prepared enough because is all about $$$ they find the easy way always and never prepared for a challenge

Pete, Do not waste time in herbal stuff, Visit your Embassy social services,
but for Cuba as a Dominican citizen visa is not need, so better start getting ready passport.

PS: Hospital Elias Santana in Santo Domingo, every year have Doctors coming from the US and Canada to help people in my kind of operations.

Good luck.

 

[Hillbilly]

Pete: Cut the crap!! Either go to the Municipality and reserve space in the cemetery or get your a$$ in gear and seek professional care. Cancer kills people. It is a vile, cruel disease that has no pity and NEVER responds to "cures" ....
I just saw an ad for St. Jude's Children's Hospital in Memphis, emphasizing that they do not turn away any child. is this crap or what? Call them. Go to the Children's Hospital Arturo Grull?n in Santiago. They have a fine children's cancer center. Try the embassy....a few nickels and dimes on phone calls won't hurt.
For God's sake, man, use the brains you were given and get going!!

And do not waste another peso on traveling to Santiago to see a curandero!!

HB, a wee bit miffed...

 

[Lambada]

Thank you Luis. I think you've just said what everyone posting here feels.

And Peter, it cost Hillbilly to post that. What you probably don't know is that he lost his own son to cancer; that on top of today being his birthday which is a family event here.................

Looks like it is now us all making a desperate plea to the original poster........

 

[Berzin]

I fortunately have the scars to prove that chemo and surgery saved my life.

Your wife needs to put that campesino mentality to the side and get freaking real.

Listen to who is telling you this-THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

 

[Chris]

Peetie, the Grape Cure is specifically not indicated for any bone type of cancer. While it looks like you and I follow similar health paths, I would ask you to be much more sensitive to the pain of others that reach out on this board. Alternative therapies require a mindset, a will power, a set of non-chemical health support materials and a support function and infra-structure that is not easily available in the Dominican Republic.

For background, The Grape Cure was first published in the 1920's. While I personally follow an alternative medical path and have respect for this small body of work, we need to recognize that at that time, no other treatments or medical interventions were available to treat cancers. Nevertheless, if one is not in distress, it makes interesting reading for those that follow alternative medical therapies.
Here is one for ...
Johanna Brandt / Fred Wortman Grape Cure For Cance
and here is one against ...
The Grape Cure

So, like Hillbilly said, cut the crap. If you want to do something worth while, research the alternative therapies and complete support structures available in the Dominican Republic and post accurately on that. Our kind of magick is not served well by insisting that a person in distress and pain read The Grape Cure, dammit.

 

[peteclaffey]

Pete: Cut the crap!! Either go to the Municipality and reserve space in the cemetery or get your a$$ in gear and seek professional care. Cancer kills people. It is a vile, cruel disease that has no pity and NEVER responds to "cures" ....
I just saw an ad for St. Jude's Children's Hospital in Memphis, emphasizing that they do not turn away any child. is this crap or what? Call them. Go to the Children's Hospital Arturo Grull?n in Santiago. They have a fine children's cancer center. Try the embassy....a few nickels and dimes on phone calls won't hurt.
For God's sake, man, use the brains you were given and get going!!

And do not waste another peso on traveling to Santiago to see a curandero!!

HB, a wee bit miffed...

I dont know if I explained already , but I got Dr ravelo from Centre Medico to fax the reports Mri Scans etc to St Judes at the first opportunity, they swiftly replied (within 1 hour ) that they could not accomadate us , meaning they they were not willing to help , the reason I payed Dr Ravello to do it was because they only accept referrals from Doctors . I have tried many many other thing including using DR1, I am sorry if this seems like crap to some , but I know the situation , I used the forum in the faint hope that somebody knew of similar situations .Thanks for the many wishes of good luck , I shall continue my quest.My ass has been in gear from the veryfirst day we became we recieved the results of the biopsy.

 

[Chris]

peteclaffey, I hope you get someone who knows how to act fast. I quote here from another thread two suggestions that may be worth while following up ..

Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto helps children get treatment as well.

International Treatment Program

Shriners Hospitals for Children in the USA are also really great.

 

[Chris]

Can anyone remember the name of the poster who sets up medical/dental clinics in Puerto Plata? I know her first name but somehow her board name escapes me now. She may be able to assist in terms of fast action.

 

[2dlight]

Pete...

I've just finished reading this whole thread and made a call to a husband and wife team who head the Pediatric Oncology Department at Loma Linda University in California and this is what they had to say: "Tell them not to waste any time!" They have been doing this for many years and have seen many young lives lost to cancer and witnessed many miracles. Make the right decision and let Anaise be one of the latter.

 

[Lambada]

Can anyone remember the name of the poster who sets up medical/dental clinics in Puerto Plata? I know her first name but somehow her board name escapes me now. She may be able to assist in terms of fast action.

Do you mean LaProfe?

 

[peteclaffey]

Thanks to all who sent messages of good intent . I have told my wife all that you and doctors have said , caused a major upset, i had to tell her the absolute facts, now we and all the other people invloved are the bad people , maybe its time that I remove the original thread, I cant bear to watch this childs slow progression to a bad end , but I have no regrets about posting the original thread , again thanks for the many messages of support

 

[BushBaby]

Thanks to all who sent messages of good intent . I have told my wife all that you and doctors have said , caused a major upset, i had to tell her the absolute facts, now we and all the other people invloved are the bad people , maybe its time that I remove the original thread, I cant bear to watch this childs slow progression to a bad end , but I have no regrets about posting the original thread , again thanks for the many messages of support

Pete,
If after reading (& understanding) all the information & advice given in this thread you can not convince your partner that she should send the child to America, Cuba, Britain or even Europe ........... Then Sir you have a cultural difference problem that will NEVER get resolved. Once the child is DEAD you will become the centre of your partners aggression & life will be impossible for you. Time for you to face up to that & get out of the relationship NOW!!

Hmmmm. Maybe THAT is what you came on here to ask? Is it right for you to end the relationship by getting out because you can't persuade your partner to see sense?

With your inability to follow (or instill sufficient confidence into your partner to accept & follow) any of the EXCELLENT suggestions posted here, it seems to me that your life is about to go WAY DOWN. Certainly I see a much harder line being taken by the posters on this thread who are trying to be helpful. The 'Yes But' syndrome only works for a couple of times before becoming very wearisome!! ~ Grahame.

 

[Lambada]

Good - out of that major upset may come a re-evaluation on your wife's part. And it matters not to us that we are regarded as the bad people. What matters to us, the same as to you, is that child. Stay strong!

 

[Charlielyn]

Can anyone remember the name of the poster who sets up medical/dental clinics in Puerto Plata? I know her first name but somehow her board name escapes me now. She may be able to assist in terms of fast action.

Her name is Grace and she works for the Catholic Church. Her office is to the right of the cathedral in Parque Central. She is out of the country right now. At least she was a few days ago as I was chating with her in the DR1 chat room.