A shelter is a great idea. I'm sure Sosua has people that would volunteer to help out. Hopefully someone will approach city hall after the elections with the idea. I'm also certain that all the businesses (At least I hope) would contribute a little $$ to help get things going. A further contribution from the Dominican Gov. and who know, the Haitian Gov. All that's needed is an honest administration to make sure the $$ goes where it's supposed to go. Maybe subject of a new thread if anybody has ideas.
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A shelter is a great idea. I'm sure Sosua has people that would volunteer to help out. Hopefully someone will approach city hall after the elections with the idea.
Wolfgang Schonner has already been working on this. Perhaps those interested could contact him?
Orphans to be cared for in a home
Wolfgang focuses on homeless children
Sosua has a diversified culture, which makes it unique, and appealing to some folks. On my limited visits, he is my observations of things and two cents;
Non - Dominican (expat)
1. Those that live there full time and are retired
2. Those that live there and are involved in work/business ventures
Non - Dominican (tourist)
1. The A1 tourist
2. The non AI tourist (family, couples, etc.)
3. The non AI tourist ( in search of chicas)
Non - Dominican (Haitian)
1. They are 'expat' in a sense
Dominican
1. Local (El Batey, Charamicos, etc)
2. Not local
Now throw in a healthy dose of corruption (police, administrators), limited social services, putas offering services 24 hours a day on one of the main streets, bars everywhere open till 2/3 AM, firearm culture, massive Haitian poverty across the border, and you have a good mix for almost anything goes.
NOW - add the drug culture, which I gather was almost non existant until say 5/7 years ago. Whether it is trafficking or local use, this is major problem, on top of all the rest. But apart from some expats being involved in major international deals, the average Sosua expat and tourist stays away from this, it is only the locals that are involved, so the vast majority of violence and related crime should not affect non - Dominicans, unless you are unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (crossfire, or mistaken identity) OR if the problem continues to escalate, you can be mugged and robbed for anything of value in any part of town.
Non - Dominican (expat)
1. Those that live there full time and are retired
2. Those that live there and are involved in work/business ventures
Non - Dominican (tourist)
1. The A1 tourist
2. The non AI tourist (family, couples, etc.)
3. The non AI tourist ( in search of chicas)
Non - Dominican (Haitian)
1. They are 'expat' in a sense
Dominican
1. Local (El Batey, Charamicos, etc)
2. Not local
Now throw in a healthy dose of corruption (police, administrators), limited social services, putas offering services 24 hours a day on one of the main streets, bars everywhere open till 2/3 AM, firearm culture, massive Haitian poverty across the border, and you have a good mix for almost anything goes.
NOW - add the drug culture, which I gather was almost non existant until say 5/7 years ago. Whether it is trafficking or local use, this is major problem, on top of all the rest. But apart from some expats being involved in major international deals, the average Sosua expat and tourist stays away from this, it is only the locals that are involved, so the vast majority of violence and related crime should not affect non - Dominicans, unless you are unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (crossfire, or mistaken identity) OR if the problem continues to escalate, you can be mugged and robbed for anything of value in any part of town.
My bad, I thought of him after I posted. Wolfgang is an OK guy and I'm sure with everyone's help things will get going.Wolfgang Schonner has already been working on this. Perhaps those interested could contact him?
Orphans to be cared for in a home
Wolfgang focuses on homeless children
My bad, I thought of him after I posted. Wolfgang is an OK guy and I'm sure with everyone's help things will get going.
Hey, no problem, I get senior moments too :cheeky:.
Wouldn't it be great if after a couple of relatively argumentative threads about the Sosua issues (mercifully, most of the internecine fighting talk is no longer visible) everyone found a focal point which they felt able to support?
Sosua has a diversified culture, which makes it unique, and appealing to some folks. On my limited visits, he is my observations of things and two cents;
Non - Dominican (expat)
1. Those that live there full time and are retired
2. Those that live there and are involved in work/business ventures
Non - Dominican (tourist)
1. The A1 tourist
2. The non AI tourist (family, couples, etc.)
3. The non AI tourist ( in search of chicas)
Non - Dominican (Haitian)
1. They are 'expat' in a sense
Dominican
1. Local (El Batey, Charamicos, etc)
2. Not local
There are also Haitians who are semi-permanent and those who have kids, many born in the DR. It seems some of the Haitian women are often working up a business ladder starting with street walking, then low-end massage parlors, then working into beauty services such as nails and hair weaving(mostly for the tourist trade). Of course there are those who stay in the sex industry, but ironically I think they are often pushed out by Dominican women in the business and bar tenders into more legit jobs.
The non-local Dominicans can also be divided into seasonal people migrating up for tourist season and those living in the campo or PP who come to Sosua at the very peak of tourist season or just before Christmas to get extra money.
The complex social make-up of Sosua would certainly be a good thesis for a Sociology student.
Help for street kids in Sosua
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POLITUR INICIA PROGRAMA ASISTENCIA NI?OS CALLEJEROS COMUNIDAD SOS?A
Wouldn't it be great if after a couple of relatively argumentative threads about the Sosua issues (mercifully, most of the internecine fighting talk is no longer visible) everyone found a focal point which they felt able to support?
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POLITUR INICIA PROGRAMA ASISTENCIA NI?OS CALLEJEROS COMUNIDAD SOS?A
Tonight
there was a meeting with the subminisrer of SECTUR, Politur, some local fatcats and others at Sosua Bay Hotel, jawing about what they hope to do with the street kids....and of course prostitution always comes up, among other things. An orphanage would be nice. Have been a couple confrontations lately with these little street urchins, but they're just hungry and preying on innocent tourists, who often take pity and oblige them with a meal or a few coins. It will eventually come to a head, I just hope it's not ugly.
there was a meeting with the subminisrer of SECTUR, Politur, some local fatcats and others at Sosua Bay Hotel, jawing about what they hope to do with the street kids....and of course prostitution always comes up, among other things. An orphanage would be nice. Have been a couple confrontations lately with these little street urchins, but they're just hungry and preying on innocent tourists, who often take pity and oblige them with a meal or a few coins. It will eventually come to a head, I just hope it's not ugly.
Honest work
Someone on Dr1 asked me to explain Easy Money. Easy money is selling your body, selling drugs, working for the Sosua mob. The opposite of easy money is hard earned money. Why should Dominicans teach, heal, scrub toilets, work as maids, etc., when one year on the streets can earn them more money than a year of "honest" work. Especially when your employers want to fire you for getting pregnant.
1there was a meeting with the subminisrer of SECTUR, Politur, some local fatcats and others at Sosua Bay Hotel, jawing about what they hope to do with the street kids....and of course prostitution always comes up, among other things. An orphanage would be nice. Have been a couple confrontations lately with these little street urchins, but they're just hungry and preying on innocent tourists, who often take pity and oblige them with a meal or a few coins. It will eventually come to a head, I just hope it's not ugly.
Someone on Dr1 asked me to explain Easy Money. Easy money is selling your body, selling drugs, working for the Sosua mob. The opposite of easy money is hard earned money. Why should Dominicans teach, heal, scrub toilets, work as maids, etc., when one year on the streets can earn them more money than a year of "honest" work. Especially when your employers want to fire you for getting pregnant.
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