Another super Mall for Santiago!!!!

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there is no debate between you and i. come back, when you actually learn something which can be debated, and we can schedule a date. funny how guys like you characterize Obama's policies as being failures, yet you have not the faintest idea of an alternative.

Funny who you arrogant liberals demean all who disagree with you all the while trying to convince everyone that down is indeed up.
 

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If you have the capital burning a hole in your pocket and only have the option of investing it a mall or depositing it in a foreign bank with all of it's challenges(taxes)and are content with being just in the red for a couple of years why wouldn't one build a mall here? Remember there are virtually no public companies so the performance requirements will vary by investor.

Also, believe it or not there are universities here :) and they teach standard economics and I'm sure a market analysis and business plans were formulated. At the end of the day they built it so that should tell most something.

Then again I understand to many the DR is as backwards as they come and the general level of sophistication is that of a typical motoconcho. For those of you who really think this I can tell you that the big companies here employ highly skilled people in their field to do all types of analysis including market research etc. I expect most of these professionals have graduate level degrees and many have studied abroad. I base this on my graduate level business classes here and hearing through the grapevine where some of these professors have worked.

Finally, everyone seems really provoked regarding this topic mostly because they all want to have Pichardo admit he is wrong. Well earth to you guys Pichardo is having way to much fun stringing you guys along to stop now. :)

Chip, you border on condescending here. I have probably rubbed shoulders with more people of influence as well as more of the middle men than you in my 7 years in this country I adore. Whatever, I won't get into a ****ing contest. I agree with certain aspects of your post, but also think you have blinders on or an agenda.

** As a side note, I actually enjoy Pichardo's enthusiasm, although at times I don't feel it jibes with the day to day world we deal with here. He does provide insight though, and I always appreciate different perspectives.
 

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i also have a Masters in Economics, as well as a graduate diploma in Business, and a Graduate Diploma in Investment Project Evaluation from the World Bank Institute.

do some reading

debate over.
Based on your two grossly incorrect statements on some of the most BASIC, elementary of economic concepts, and having a strong working knowledge of the topic at hand, frankly I think you're...well...let's say "padding the resume" several standard deviations.

My bona fides run deep. People know my actual name IRL. Many DR1ers have slept in my home, we've broken bread, we've done business, we've collaborated on past and future projects. I have looked them straight in the eye, and they have returned that look. Heck, I've taken DR1ers to Dominican court! I for one, am not just a made up handle and am not afraid to use my actual name. I hide from no man.

There are a lot of folks who you can bullspit, gorgon. I'm not one. Choose an easier target.

But it's the innerweb, after all, and you can be anyone you want to be, gorgon. So please, be my guest. Far be it for me to step between a man and his fantasy.

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You'll not be hearing from me again. :)
 

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Funny who you arrogant liberals demean all who disagree with you all the while trying to convince everyone that down is indeed up.

arrogant liberals? want to lecture someone about arrogance? go talk with your fellow conservative, cobraboy. he makes a posting, and i agree with him. i merely suggest the insights of the premier authority on dead capital as an explanation for the sequestration of capital in third world countries, and look at the tenor of his responses. people can disagree, but just in case you have difficulty in defining condescension, go read his responses.
 

the gorgon

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Based on your two grossly incorrect statements on some of the most BASIC, elementary of economic concepts, and having a strong working knowledge of the topic at hand, frankly I think you're...well...let's say "padding the resume" several standard deviations.

My bona fides run deep. People know my actual name IRL. Many DR1ers have slept in my home, we've broken bread, we've done business, we've collaborated on past and future projects. I have looked them straight in the eye, and they have returned that look. Heck, I've taken DR1ers to Dominican court! I for one, am not just a made up handle and am not afraid to use my actual name. I hide from no man.

There are a lot of folks who you can bullspit, gorgon. I'm not one. Choose an easier target.

But it's the innerweb, after all, and you can be anyone you want to be, gorgon. So please, be my guest. Far be it for me to step between a man and his fantasy.

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You'll not be hearing from me again. :)

i assure you that no sleep will be lost on this end, should you keep your promise to refrain from communicating with me. reciprocally, i think that your bonafides are also fabricated, given the fact that someone with your level of purported understanding of economics has never suggested any meaningful economic strategy for remedying the current state of the economy. so, continue to impress those in your circle whom you can. to me, you are inconsequential.
 

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Chip, you border on condescending here. I have probably rubbed shoulders with more people of influence as well as more of the middle men than you in my 7 years in this country I adore. Whatever, I won't get into a ****ing contest. I agree with certain aspects of your post, but also think you have blinders on or an agenda.

** As a side note, I actually enjoy Pichardo's enthusiasm, although at times I don't feel it jibes with the day to day world we deal with here. He does provide insight though, and I always appreciate different perspectives.

Well pardon my ire but I don't think it stretching it to say the least that a very large number of DR1'ers think as I had posted - so I'm glad you've experienced enough to make a better judgement,

As for "having blinders" regarding this topic, I would say I have enough background in business and education to opine. Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say the families that own big businesses here are flush with money, all legal. After all if you control most of the market and have good markups and low overhead how can you go wrong?

With regard to Pichardo, he isn't interested in anything less than promoting his country and most should have realized he will not back down on any claim. Then again I don't know why that is so odd anymore, after all Obama still claims we are out of the recession and all is well and his followers eat it up as if it were manna. :)
 

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Well pardon my ire but I don't think it stretching it to say the least that a very large number of DR1'ers think as I had posted - so I'm glad you've experienced enough to make a better judgement,

As for "having blinders" regarding this topic, I would say I have enough background in business and education to opine. Furthermore, I don't think it's a stretch to say the families that own big businesses here are flush with money, all legal. After all if you control most of the market and have good markups and low overhead how can you go wrong?

With regard to Pichardo, he isn't interested in anything less than promoting his country and most should have realized he will not back down on any claim. Then again I don't know why that is so odd anymore, after all Obama still claims we are out of the recession and all is well and his followers eat it up as if it were manna. :)

show me a quote where Obama says that the USA is out of the recession.
 

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With regard to Pichardo, he isn't interested in anything less than promoting his country and most should have realized he will not back down on any claim. Then again I don't know why that is so odd anymore, after all Obama still claims we are out of the recession and all is well and his followers eat it up as if it were manna. :)
I'm OK with PIC being a cheerleader, and he does provide both information and entertainment. But you have to admit, Chip, he comes out with some pretty silly and outlandish statements.
 

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I'm OK with PIC being a cheerleader, and he does provide both information and entertainment. But you have to admit, Chip, he comes out with some pretty silly and outlandish statements.

Certainly. I finally realized he was just having fun with us.
 

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Obama's chief's economic adviser said it for him:

[video=youtube;BKQPUYIwT2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQPUYIwT2Q[/video]

said it for him? actually, Obama is not the National Bureau of Economic Research. he does not compile, nor compute the figures. any pronouncements he makes on the economy are handed down to him by economists. saying that his adviser said it for him is nonsensical beyond belief. the mere fact that you concede that he has an adviser on the matter defeats the contention that he made the statement.
 

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Also, believe it or not there are universities here :) and they teach standard economics and I'm sure a market analysis and business plans were formulated. At the end of the day they built it so that should tell most something.
A couple of years ago I had an opportunity to rub shoulders with and consult with 3 MBA's from a respected DR University on a marketing plan for a large Dominican sports organization.

Chip, I hope they were a sample of the poorest of underachieving graduates, because their analytical methodologies and skills were subpar. I've been out of that "game" for a while and I felt like a grizzled, unretiring veteran in rookie camp.

I pretty much wrote the hard part of the report they got credit for.

(Oh, and I got screwed in the process. Lesson learned. HB knows of what I speak...and maybe you do, too...;))
 

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But back to malls.

A big, new, giant one, huh? Well, I'll admit that wherever the dough comes from it WILL inject some hard cash in a tough local economy. It WILL fill up an ugly empty lot (I can't tell you how many times I drive by that place and ponder the best and highest use for it.) No doubt it WILL be purty.

I think I'll open a SK8R store there. Just think of all the empty corridors just waiting for some Ollies, Caspers or Tre Flips...;)

Or, I know: a cell phone store! :cheeky:
 
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Chip

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When Dominicans living in the States and foreigners(like family) ask me about the Santiago they typically ask me about the restaurants, malls, movie theatres and "wal mart". People want choices when it comes to leisure time and buying. The DR is just now jumping on board with "Americana".
 

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A couple of years ago I had an opportunity to rub shoulders with and consult with 3 MBA's from a respected DR University on a marketing plan for a large Dominican sports organization.

Chip, I hope they were a sample of the poorest of underachieving graduates, because their analytical methodologies and skills were subpar. I've been out of that "game" for a while and I felt like a grizzled, unretiring veteran in rookie camp.

I pretty much wrote the hard part of the report they got credit for.

(Oh, and I got screwed in the process. Lesson learned. HB knows of what I speak...and maybe you do, too...;))

As you know while degrees, even graduate ones, are nice there is nothing like real world practice and being on the clock and having to produce. The DR unfortunately doesn't have enough demand in many areas in order that most grads can get the required experience. That's one of the reasons that so many leave. It's also relevant given that the population of the DR is smaller than many big US cities with the highly educated being an even smaller part. The big companies have groomed their professionals who won't be going anywhere anytime soon and the rest of the smaller companies have to do with those who have plenty of theoretical but little "high level" practical experience.
 

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said it for him? actually, Obama is not the National Bureau of Economic Research. he does not compile, nor compute the figures. any pronouncements he makes on the economy are handed down to him by economists. saying that his adviser said it for him is nonsensical beyond belief. the mere fact that you concede that he has an adviser on the matter defeats the contention that he made the statement.

Typical two step..

Larry Summers was Obama's top WHITE HOUSE economic adviser - needless to say when he speaks on matters of economy it's because it's WHITE HOUSE policy.

After all, what in the hellll does Obama know about economics, he was a lawyer who never even ran a business!!

Larry Summers Will Leave White House At The End Of The Year
 

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Typical two step..

Larry Summers was Obama's top WHITE HOUSE economic adviser - needless to say when he speaks on matters of economy it's because it's WHITE HOUSE policy.

After all, what in the hellll does Obama know about economics, he was a lawyer who never even ran a business!!

Larry Summers Will Leave White House At The End Of The Year

Economic figures are White House policy? since when? what do you mean that the guy never even ran a business? what does running a business have to do with being an economist? you mean that without having run a business, you cannot interpret employment data?
 

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Typical two step..

Larry Summers was Obama's top WHITE HOUSE economic adviser - needless to say when he speaks on matters of economy it's because it's WHITE HOUSE policy.

After all, what in the hellll does Obama know about economics, he was a lawyer who never even ran a business!!

Larry Summers Will Leave White House At The End Of The Year

Chip, what does Obama know about military matters? what does he know about the space program? how well versed is he on the economics of energy sources? what does he know about the intricacies of the medical profession? what does he know about the inner workings of the auto industry? see where this is headed, Chip? i would say that he does not know much about most of those subjects. that is why he has advisers. you know, the guys who are experts, to whom he turns for advice. how will Romney deal with military matters, using your logic? he was not even in the armed forces, being a draft dodger. so, how will he function in wartime?
 

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Colinas Mall is still half full. Stores open and close on a regular basis...From what I understand Jumbo threatened to pull out and they were forced to subsidize 2 years of rent to keep them there. The weekends there are ......hectic for lack of a better word....the percentage of people milling about who are consumer's is a fraction of those who are there because they live in a barrio close to the vicinity and go to check out the chicks and can chill in an air conditioned environment where it's "happening". Colinas Mall has it's moments, but it is FAR from a success. What is the business model for a mall to fulfill 60-70 % occupancy after 3-4 years in operation? I am a DR optimist, but I ain't blind.

Why would Jumbo want to leave Colinas Mall?

They seem to be doing a good business there, always lots of people there, similar to Supermercado Nacional.

Pola (La Sirena) on Bartolome appears to be doing the best, shoppers wise.

In my opinion a lot is because of the public "F" car which brings shoppers from CienFuego and MonteRico.

Pola's location is damn near perfect, you have the "F", "G", "P" and OMSA routes,
plus the Bandarita and one or 2 other public car routes very close. (Such as the "A" and "N").

Chip, what does Obama know about military matters? what does he know about the space program? how well versed is he on the economics of energy sources? what does he know about the intricacies of the medical profession? what does he know about the inner workings of the auto industry? see where this is headed, Chip? i would say that he does not know much about most of those subjects. that is why he has advisers. you know, the guys who are experts, to whom he turns for advice. how will Romney deal with military matters, using your logic? he was not even in the armed forces, being a draft dodger. so, how will he function in wartime?

No matter what the thread topic, posts of certain posters eventually always break down to two words:

Obama and/or Religion.

The more this thread continues, the more we will be sucked into their hatred of Obama,
.. and away from the topic of "Another super Mall for Santiago".

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