Artist Cascati Arrested

[MerengueDutchie]

Maybe a few things need clarification:

Middle/Upper class - if you define that as those living in a household where the income is above 50K pesos a month, then many live in this class.

A teacher and a Policeluitenant living together can easily make that money. A small business owner (not home colmado) can easily make that money working with the entire family, a farmer of dairy cows can make it, a laywer can make it, even a good mechanic with his own shop, or a good builder with a small crew all can easily make that.

However, that income provides middle class only outside the big cities.

So as a large part of the population lives in the big cities, their expenses are much higher. This 50K budget might be defined as middle class, but will see them living in the poor house.

 

[Uzin]

Apples and oranges.

You see what you want to see.

If your world revolves around whores and whorehouses and whore bars and messing around on your wife and cabanas, that is what you will see, and think that is what *everybody* sees.

I think its pretty well accepted that the island is pretty much a den of iniquity. Sexually promiscuity is deeply ingrained in the machismo culture here on all social and economic levels.

That is very true pauleast, and someone here wants to tell us we just see what we want to see. It is not about what I see or hear, why don't you just check stats, reports and news, you can try as much as you like, but there is hard to deny locals (specially the middle-upper class that you like so much) are particularly hands off p4p in this island. Totally the opposite - and that is not because of what I or some other see here.

(By the way, is your source of info based on people that you deal with, may be they are exceptional church goers or some other exemplary types, may be you see what you want to see .... !?)

 

[PICHARDO]

Maybe a few things need clarification:

Middle/Upper class - if you define that as those living in a household where the income is above 50K pesos a month, then many live in this class.

A teacher and a Policeluitenant living together can easily make that money. A small business owner (not home colmado) can easily make that money working with the entire family, a farmer of dairy cows can make it, a laywer can make it, even a good mechanic with his own shop, or a good builder with a small crew all can easily make that.

However, that income provides middle class only outside the big cities.

So as a large part of the population lives in the big cities, their expenses are much higher. This 50K budget might be defined as middle class, but will see them living in the poor house.

House Hold Income is what matters when defining middle class. Unlike the load of BS posted by DonP by PNUD that gravitates towards individual income and not HH income.

As I posted, there are more middle class households in the DR than low income and poor ones. But when you further break it down by individual incomes for all HHs then you get the figures reported and repeated by parrots like DonP.

If developed nations like Japan, U.K and Japan reported poverty based alone on individual incomes and not HH incomes, poverty levels would be greater than many think.

The only HHs that can be said to fit the category 100% when accounting for total income and economic class, would be single headed households or when people live in separate lives at the same house (roomates, renters, boarding house, shelters, etc...)

 

[cobraboy]

There a lot of cabanas in the RD... who else would be using them? Poor guys cant afford them indeed..

It's a myth that cabanas are ONLY used by people with whores or having affairs.

I know a guy who owns some cabanas in StaDgo. He says that a big chunk of his business are travelers who don't want to pay high prices & hassles associated with hotels, and many married couples who want privacy they don't have at home. Remember that it's not uncommon for large multi-generational extended families to live under one roof and that causes some privacy issues.

Young couples still living with their parents also have no privacy.

Cabanas serve a purpose, and not all whoring & promiscuity related.

We stay in cabanas when overnighting in StoDgo vs. hotels. They are cheap, safe, clean, comfortable and hassle-free. The one where we stay include a simple breakfast...for RD$650 if we check in after 8pm (RD$1100 if before 8pm; leave before 9am). We have a "cabana bag" set up at all times for just the purpose, containing king size sheets, a cotton blanket, pillows, large towels and a coffee maker & supplies. Throw it in the back off the SUV and we're good to go. Cheap and easy.

The DR population is over 10,000,000. The middle-upper classes make up around 2,000,000 of that. Think about the number of rooms, in total, for ALL cabanas and them make a determination of how widespread cananas actually are vis-a-vis potential market.

That is NOT to say that latin cultures aren't sexually charged, because they are. But the prevailing meme that cabanas are the a direct reflection of whoring and promiscuity is an overblown myth.

 

[cobraboy]

Half of the country's income in shared by the upper 20%. I consider that 20% in my "middle-upper" class category, and that number is over 2,000,000 people.

 

[PICHARDO]

As far as the middle class in the DR? Suffices to be said that some here can't even keep up with the Perez family two doors down the house. To begin with, middle class is more than just earning the cash, but keeping the lifestyle long term for the family.

 

[Dolores1]

From 15 September 2014 DR1 Daily News on Armando Casciati:

Armando Casciati accused of promoting sex tourism
Attorney General Francisco Dominguez Brito is reported to have instructed the deportation of all foreigners who are known promoters of the Dominican Republic as a sex tourism destination. A long time Sosua resident, Italian businessman and artist Armando Casciati was the next in line. As reported in Acento, he reached an agreement with Immigration Department officials and left the country on a voluntary basis on Sunday, 14 September 2014 with the commitment of never returning.
Legal system officials and Immigration inspectors detained him on Friday morning, 12 September 2014, after he was questioned by the Puerto Plata prosecutor Alba Nunez Pichardo.
As reported in Diario Libre, the Special Procurement against Illicit Trafficking in Persons and Migrants, under Judge Jonathan Baro Gutierez ordered the cancellation of Casciati’s residency, followed by his deportation.
Casciati had lived in Sosua for over 20 years where he operated several businesses including the Sosua Bay, Sosua Bay Convention Center, a television station, and several bars allegedly dedicated to prostitution, including the Merengue Bar, D’Clasico and Club 59.
Apresan empresario italiano acusado de proxenetismo -
http://dr1.com/forums/north-coast/145674-artist-cascati-arrested-10.html
http://acento.com.do/2014/actualidad...-puerto-plata/
Deportan a empresario italiano acusado de proxenetismo en Puerto Plata - Acento - El m?s ?gil y moderno diario electr?nico de la Rep?blica Dominicana

 

[cobraboy]

That is very true pauleast, and someone here wants to tell us we just see what we want to see.

Like you.

It is not about what I see or hear, why don't you just check stats, reports and news, you can try as much as you like, but there is hard to deny locals (specially the middle-upper class that you like so much) are particularly hands off p4p in this island. Totally the opposite - and that is not because of what I or some other see here.

You seem obsessed with p4p. Not surprised you see a lot of it in the DR.

(By the way, is your source of info based on people that you deal with, may be they are exceptional church goers or some other exemplary types, may be you see what you want to see .... !?)

I don't know if they are church goers or not. I never ask, and don't care. But I do deal with numerous business people around the country as well as gubmint officials. I see what I see, and that is clearly a different subset of the Dominican culture and society most tourists and expats ever even know exist.

Your lack of knowledge on the issue is of no concern to me, and does NOT mean my statements from observations do not exist.

 

[PICHARDO]

And to put it clear:

The whole of Puerto Plata will be squeaky cleaned. The new port and facilities, as well as the new road will only speed up the process.
Call it gentrification of the North Coast, long neglected and in despair.

The game changer will be when you start to see the new cameras that will be monitored 24/7 and 911 police response on the dime.

 

[donP]

PICHARDO's Insults

(...) the load of BS posted by DonP
(...) by parrots like DonP.

How can a parrot produce BS.......?? :laugh:


donP

 

[PICHARDO]

Stupid guy btw. He was deported only because he never cared to become a Dominican citizen (just like some here and CCCCCC)....

Dominican citizenship is more than a paper, its a right and equality tool when it comes to where you call home.

 

[tht]

I didn't know Armando was an artist, but I remember the guy from a shooting in the roof incident in Merengue bar in 2005.

 

[Uzin]

Like you.

You seem obsessed with p4p. Not surprised you see a lot of it in the DR.

I don't know if they are church goers or not. I never ask, and don't care. But I do deal with numerous business people around the country as well as gubmint officials. I see what I see, and that is clearly a different subset of the Dominican culture and society most tourists and expats ever even know exist.

Your lack of knowledge on the issue is of no concern to me, and does NOT mean my statements from observations do not exist.

Funny you say that, as you have been to cabanas already (know the way, have the kit at the back of the car ready...!!!), I have never ever been to one.

And this is most interesting that your observation does count but other people's observation does not - that is the typical sign of an ......... person !

Good luck keeping your head under the sand, but let's not argue about this, enough of the DR middle-upper class saints, the guy being deported is the topic....

 

[donP]

Stuck at home

Dominican citizenship is more than a paper, its a right and equality tool when it comes to ...

..... travelling abroad. :cross-eye


donP

 

[Chip]

That's a bit of broad brush there Chip

I have researched this extensively on the web. Since sex education was implemented in the 60's and 70's teenage promiscuity has risen 1000%. Specifically the promiscuity rate for college students in 1958 was 5% and now it is 47% for high school students. The reality is when one teaches 12 year old that sex is for their enjoyment and has nothing to do with their parents wishes many children will obviously choose to have a sex life. The also teach them that masturbation and pornography are natural and good. This does not happen in the DR. Certainly some foreigners would have us believe that because there are young prostitutes in Sosua that this is indicative of the country but the reality this is only because it does not benefit them to say otherwise.

 

[donP]

P's Fantasy World

The game changer will be when you start to see the new cameras that will be monitored 24/7 and 911 police response on the dime.

That's ridiculous. :laugh:

donP

 

[cobraboy]

Funny you say that, as you have been to cabanas already (know the way, have the kit at the back of the car ready...!!!), I have never ever been to one.

And this is most interesting that your observation does count but other people's observation does not - that is the typical sign of an ......... person !

Good luck keeping your head under the sand, but let's not argue about this, enough of the DR middle-upper class saints, the guy being deported is the topic....

Uzin, I have lived here f/t for 6.5 years now. I have 4 businesses based here. We travel to StoDgo often for meetings. I don't want to spend $100 a night with all the hassles of checking into a hotel; cabanas serve a most excellent purpose. I'd rather spend $15 and drive into a garage with my stuff, no hassles.

If anyone has his head in the sand it's you. I see well beyond the typical tourist/expat zones. Few travel the entire country more than we do.

And while everyone is entitled to their opinion, not all opinions are equal. Some are based on greater knowledge than others.

 

[MerengueDutchie]

I have researched this extensively on the web. Since sex education was implemented in the 60's and 70's teenage promiscuity has risen 1000%. Specifically the promiscuity rate for college students in 1958 was 5% and now it is 47% for high school students. The reality is when one teaches 12 year old that sex is for their enjoyment and has nothing to do with their parents wishes many children will obviously choose to have a sex life. The also teach them that masturbation and pornography are natural and good. This does not happen in the DR. Certainly some foreigners would have us believe that because there are young prostitutes in Sosua that this is indicative of the country but the reality this is only because it does not benefit them to say otherwise.

While I share your view that the DR isn't the sex eldorado that some seem to portray it as, I find it difficult to compare the DR numbers (which I don't have) with numbers for an arbitrary construct like 'the West', for which there are no numbers since it would encompass about 20% of the world's population spanning at least three continents.

But I do agree with both you and CB that there is a lot more to the DR than just the sex (industry).

 

[PICHARDO]

How can a parrot produce BS.......?? :laugh:


donP

Wait! You mean to tell me you feel insulted by being told you posted BS and are parroting BS from other sources?!!

LOL!!

That's a first! The protective shield is coming off I see!!

LOL!!!

 

[PICHARDO]

..... travelling abroad. :cross-eye


donP

I travel the world on a DR passport! Now can you with yours?
Keep in mind only difference is I need a visa (which to this day has never been denied) to enter some countries, whilst you may not even get the visa due to your passport's source country to some others!

I'm not a target when travelling abroad. Can you say the same?

Don't need to hide my nationality at all anywhere in the world. Can you?

LOL!!!