Bella Terra Mall. Santiago.

[PICHARDO]

What is worse is, that your depicting glamourous malls is a disservice to people who may believe that those Potemkin villages represent the real DR.

Of course, they do exist but what is your message?

donP

I hear ya! I guess you're Chip's buddy in Santiago and his "poor barrios are the majority in the city of Santiago truth"?
But when asked to put up nothing happens... Not even an elementary grade count of barrios head to head to clear all doubts and prove their vast knowledge of the DR to boot...

Same with the others experts that seem to make up their own monetary LAW for the DR when presented with the actual LAW and ARTICLES as per enacted in OUR own country... The DR remember?

De la calle llegaran, quienes de tu propia case te osaran echar... Barbarazos!

PWNED 100%... Spin it as you may, the reality is there to the naked eye far above all your hollow worded knowledge...

Where's the beef?


Like Bush said: Bring it on!

 

[fidget]

Where's the beef?


Like Bush said: Bring it on!

Do (they) have Blacks, too?

 

[SantiagoDR]

Pichardo are you so hung up on "pushing" Bella Terra Mall that you missed my favoritable comment about Colinas Mall (Jumbo as the barrio people refer to it)?

Or does that mall not matter since it isn't in an elite area, just too close to the poor barrios?

No comment??????????

I hear ya! I guess you're Chip's buddy in Santiago and his "poor barrios are the majority in the city of Santiago truth"?
But when asked to put up nothing happens... Not even an elementary grade count of barrios head to head to clear all doubts and prove their vast knowledge of the DR to boot...

Same with the others experts that seem to make up their own monetary LAW for the DR when presented with the actual LAW and ARTICLES as per enacted in OUR own country... The DR remember?

De la calle llegaran, quienes de tu propia case te osaran echar... Barbarazos!

PWNED 100%... Spin it as you may, the reality is there to the naked eye far above all your hollow worded knowledge...

Where's the beef?


Like Bush said: Bring it on!

 

[LaTeacher]

I hear ya! I guess you're Chip's buddy in Santiago and his "poor barrios are the majority in the city of Santiago truth"?
But when asked to put up nothing happens... Not even an elementary grade count of barrios head to head to clear all doubts and prove their vast knowledge of the DR to boot...

ok. i can deal deal with pichardo's rantings and ravings, but to believe that the poor barrios are NOT the majority of the city is just plain... idiotic. Pichardo, you can post pictures of all the wonderful advancements in STI, and they are wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that the people who shop in these places do NOT constitute the majority of the city. I see this a lot with people who only move in their own little sphere of life - they have NO idea that anything else exists anywhere. And that's fine, but don't try to convince other people that they're wrong because they see and live that poverty all the time.

as far as a barrio count. i'm not a santiaguera de pura sepa, like you but i'll give it a try:
Yaguita de Pastor,
Cristo Rey,
La Herradura,
La Otra Banda,
La Barranquita (and just because there is a fancy horse farm there doesn't mean the whole place is wealthy),
La Joya,
Ensanche Bermudez,
Ensanche Espaillat,
Ensanche Libertad,
Los Tocones,
Rafey (Arriba y Abajo),
El Ingenio (Arriba y Abajo),
Cienfuegos (and most of what it entails, I'll give you Monterrico I y II - but I'll take: Mella I y II, Villa Gloria, Santa Lucia, Hoya de Bartolo, La Mosca, Ciudad Satellite, Villa Rosa I y II - and all the others I don't know by name),
El Cienaga,
Los Salados (nuevo y viejo),
Los Reyes (I, II),
Camboya,
Pekin,
Los Ciruelitos,
Nibaje,
Villa Olimpica,
Villa Magisterial,
Los Pepines (which I'll give half over to a solid middle class),
Pueblo Nuevo,
the neighborhood where Los Hospedajes are whose name I don't know,
most of centro de la ciudad (ex. Las Carreras),
La Hoya de Caimito,
La Tigaiga,
MOST of gurabo (Gurabo is, afterall, part of Barrio Seguro),
Gurabito,
Barrio Lindo
Buenos Aires
Bella Vista
Barrio Francisco Rosario Sanchez
Ensanche Bolivar
Baracoa
Cuesta Colorado
.... and more.

I think you'll probably come up with a list longer than mine because that's how you are. but then, I'd like for you to count the number of people who live in the barrios and compare them to people who live in this supposed Santiago rich-land you think we live in. I guarantee there are more living in poverty than in riches.

 

[PICHARDO]

ok. i can deal deal with pichardo's rantings and ravings, but to believe that the poor barrios are NOT the majority of the city is just plain... idiotic. Pichardo, you can post pictures of all the wonderful advancements in STI, and they are wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that the people who shop in these places do NOT constitute the majority of the city. I see this a lot with people who only move in their own little sphere of life - they have NO idea that anything else exists anywhere. And that's fine, but don't try to convince other people that they're wrong because they see and live that poverty all the time.

as far as a barrio count. i'm not a santiaguera de pura sepa, like you but i'll give it a try:
Yaguita de Pastor,
Cristo Rey,
La Herradura,
La Otra Banda,
La Barranquita (and just because there is a fancy horse farm there doesn't mean the whole place is wealthy),
La Joya,
Ensanche Bermudez,
Ensanche Espaillat,
Ensanche Libertad,
Los Tocones,
Rafey (Arriba y Abajo),
El Ingenio (Arriba y Abajo),
Cienfuegos (and most of what it entails, I'll give you Monterrico I y II - but I'll take: Mella I y II, Villa Gloria, Santa Lucia, Hoya de Bartolo, La Mosca, Ciudad Satellite, Villa Rosa I y II - and all the others I don't know by name),
El Cienaga,
Los Salados (nuevo y viejo),
Los Reyes (I, II),
Camboya,
Pekin,
Los Ciruelitos,
Nibaje,
Villa Olimpica,
Villa Magisterial,
Los Pepines (which I'll give half over to a solid middle class),
Pueblo Nuevo,
the neighborhood where Los Hospedajes are whose name I don't know,
most of centro de la ciudad (ex. Las Carreras),
La Hoya de Caimito,
La Tigaiga,
MOST of gurabo (Gurabo is, afterall, part of Barrio Seguro),
Gurabito,
Barrio Lindo
Buenos Aires
Bella Vista
Barrio Francisco Rosario Sanchez
Ensanche Bolivar
Baracoa
Cuesta Colorado
.... and more.

I think you'll probably come up with a list longer than mine because that's how you are. but then, I'd like for you to count the number of people who live in the barrios and compare them to people who live in this supposed Santiago rich-land you think we live in. I guarantee there are more living in poverty than in riches.

Tell somebody to teach you the size and limits of the city of Santiago first!

 

[Robert]

Tell somebody to teach you the size and limits of the city of Santiago first!

Looks like you got called out

Lame response...

 

[PICHARDO]

Looks like you got called out

Lame response...

Nope!

A lot of the places listed by the teacher are not within the City of Santiago, it's like trying to say Yonkers is NYC!

Read well on my post in that thread and see where it stands! I tried to provide a nice map, facts and figures for the City of Santiago but they just opted to boycott the learning experience!

Before one tries to debate something, one must KNOW what's being talked about first and foremost before allowing the first opinion to hit the exit from your mouth (or in the web case, your finger tips!).


Again, the City of Santiago's middle class/upper number of hoods and the lower ones are not even close to hold their debate open. Least for the entire municipality or province! Which looking at their wrong single dare at response for the City of Santiago alone, would make the municipal to province level close to knowing the inner workings of a nuclear bomb for them!

 

[minerva_feliz]

Tell somebody to teach you the size and limits of the city of Santiago first!

Technically PICHARDO is right, according to the 2002 census. (First time I've ever said that ). MOST people in the municipality of Santiago, as defined by the national territorial divisions, do not live in poverty or extreme poverty. It is surprisingly low, much lower than the national average. So without barrio counting, in that area it can be logically assumed that most barrios are not poor ones.

From page 12 of:
http://www.one.gob.do/themes/one/dmdocuments/perfiles/perfil_santiago.pdf

If you are talking about the entire province of Santiago, or including municipal districts of Santiago, then it's another story. Also will have to see when the complete results are available for the new census.

 

[PICHARDO]

The 2010 Census data will be a heart stopping shock for a many here...

Poverty data from the DR is very old and things have changed much since the last economic study was done...

Santiago's poverty (on the city, municipal and province level) is lower than the national average today than even SD!

Just to let you know in advance what to expect when the official data is released to the public and international media.

 

[DRob]

Gotta give it to you, Pichardo. Despite constantly being attacked (and quite viciously) by folks whose primary argument seems to be "because I said so," you do stick to your guns.

Frankly, I don't know if you have any more of a clue than some of the self-appointed "experts" on this forum. But at least you fully explain your points, and back it up with data and some cool pics.

We could always use an optimist, especially in a forum with some folks who seem to enjoy being as negative as necessary to benefit their perceived value to themselves and others. Helps to give the website, eh, "balance."

 

[PICHARDO]

Technically PICHARDO is right, according to the 2002 census. (First time I've ever said that ). MOST people in the municipality of Santiago, as defined by the national territorial divisions, do not live in poverty or extreme poverty. It is surprisingly low, much lower than the national average. So without barrio counting, in that area it can be logically assumed that most barrios are not poor ones.

From page 12 of:
http://www.one.gob.do/themes/one/dmdocuments/perfiles/perfil_santiago.pdf

If you are talking about the entire province of Santiago, or including municipal districts of Santiago, then it's another story. Also will have to see when the complete results are available for the new census.

I don't know if you noticed, but from this quote I see you didn't...

The totals for poor household in the municipality of Santiago in 2002 data was 19.9% with a Provincial total of 27.6%, with extreme poverty of 1.5% for the municipality of Santiago and 3.1% for the entire province in 2002 as well...

That's one decade ago...

Poor + extreme poor households in the Municipality of Santiago in 2002 = 21.4%

Poor + extreme poor households in the Province of Santiago in 2002 = 30.7%

Note that neither one is the % for the City of Santiago!

What do you think has the economic growth of Santiago done in the last decade in regards to poverty and extreme poverty in the city?

 

[LaTeacher]

i said, pichardo, i'm not a santiguera like you - but i'm sorry that you can't get the picture.
if you'd like i could take you around so you can see how most people live when they're not in your house cleaning your toilets and raising your kids.

(all that said, i do respect pichardo for his patriotism and love of country.)

 

[PICHARDO]

i said, pichardo, i'm not a santiguera like you - but i'm sorry that you can't get the picture.
if you'd like i could take you around so you can see how most people live when they're not in your house cleaning your toilets and raising your kids.

(all that said, i do respect pichardo for his patriotism and love of country.)

The problem for many here is that I was born in the DR, raised and educated in the DR, lived my entire life in the DR and only until a few months ago been residing full time in Villa Olga, Santiago for decades on end...

So I think, just think, I've a pretty good eye view and full understanding of how the city of Santiago looks like, the hoods, the people, the economic implications, etc... Let alone the rest of the country. Unlike a lot here, I've biz in the DR, kids that went to school and grew up here in the DR, property, loans, a rickety boat, tenencia y porte carnet, PRSC member, etc...

So I think I've a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about in regards to this debated issue here!

And I'm not rich or upper class~!

 

[minerva_feliz]

It's cool, Santiago (overall) is "rich", biatches.

I don't know if you noticed, but from this quote I see you didn't...

The totals for poor household in the municipality of Santiago in 2002 data was 19.9% with a Provincial total of 27.6%, with extreme poverty of 1.5% for the municipality of Santiago and 3.1% for the entire province in 2002 as well...

That's one decade ago...

Poor + extreme poor households in the Municipality of Santiago in 2002 = 21.4%

Poor + extreme poor households in the Province of Santiago in 2002 = 30.7%

Note that neither one is the % for the City of Santiago!

What do you think has the economic growth of Santiago done in the last decade in regards to poverty and extreme poverty in the city?

Hi.

When dealing with these statistics you cannot add them, because the "extreme poor" are INCLUDED in the count of regular "poor". So the "bottom line" number for poverty should be understood as the regular "poor" category one.

What I meant to say was that there are SOME municipalities and municipal districts in the province that are quite poor, and their individual realities should not be glossed over altogether. Look at Juncalito: 82.6%! I really wonder what's going on there, I've never been. And as some people say, a country/community should be judged on how they treat their most poor and vulnerable populations.

Overall, the municipality, province and city are not 'that poor', in comparison to other provinces. The Cibao region overall is better off. You may be right that it will surpass DN/SD in many aspects with the results of the next census. But there are marginalized populations living there in certain geographic areas. Economic growth in Santiago...probably has reduced poverty in the city, but maybe not in those most marginalized municipalities and municipal districts. We'll have to wait and see the numbers. Pictures might be worth a thousand words (and dollars, when it comes to marketing, right?), but pictures are not representative of complex socio-economic realities.

And speaking of...

But at least you fully explain your points, and back it up with data and some cool pics.

PICHARDO seldom supports his points with objective, empirical data. Which is why some take issue with his points and arguments, myself included. If I started to name examples I would be going off topic.

Feliz viernes social,

minerva_feliz

 

[PICHARDO]

If you try and do some of the stuff I said (place kiosks with reps on commission at local Mall and Plazas), you could target a potential larger client base than you now enjoy. It's well known that the local national tourism market produces profits, with less costs per service. As a support base it would allow you to operate several key points in the country aimed at you primary client sector. That's to say you could further expand into the key tourist areas of the country while conserving your activos/pasivos in check.

All you need is to place some really large posters of the trek and a LCD with a well prepared HD video, which offers a vivid look into the riding tour with a nice catching soundtrack. The rest is for the rep to answer questions and offer discount (wink) coupons for low season reservations. Displaying a just "waxed" VStrom on the floor would work wonders for the male Testosterone...

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This is something that can help you kick start a new stream of income (Robert) Cobraboy for Motocaribe in the DR!

Just adding a bike in the middle will do wonders!
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[PICHARDO]

I clearly understand your point, Pich, but this display is the type you see at a trade show, not in a mall. It may be a little tough selling that type of display to a mall, and it occupies a lot of square ft. too.

But a smaller Kiosko could certain serve the same purpose.

The smaller kiosko concept must turn a profit, or they wouldn't last very long in their respective locations.

That's a 20 feet display kiosk! Any wall in the Mall can host it with ease!

Since very little takes space to the front, the entire thing can be easy to spot anywhere there's a wall, even the entrance by the lobby...

The biggest thing would be the bike, taking what? Some 5 feet in length and some 3 feet wide?

I'm trying to locate a picture of a similar kiosk I saw in a supercross show, I took some photos but can't find where I saved them. It was like 5 years back...

 

[PICHARDO]

Of course it can fit anywhere, but that's not my point, big guy.

Malls usually rent by the square ft(or sq.mt.) The one in your illustration is 200 sq.ft. That's a lot of real estate for a mall, partner!

How many kiosks have you seen that are 20 ft long in a mall?? they are all something like 8 ft. sq., less than half the size of this baby.

Trade show booths are usually much larger, which is what this one is designed for, IMHO.

A business like Robert's could easily get away with half the sq.ft. of that one.

Usable, occupied square ft (or sq. mt.) not the wall itself for display presentations like the ones above.

The area to be used is rather much less than what you think. The above setup was used by a client with only the monitors and a small booth paying for the rental space. the wall display was NOT an issue to the Mall authority. In fact, where he asked to set up and how, they asked him to extend it by some 14 extra feet to cover an unused local in the adjacent space (which needless to say he did).


The above set up was set up for a Mall, not a trade show.

Regardless of it all, what I wanted to convey to Robert was the practical way he reach for more clients and expand his base income smoothly in the DR.

 

[PICHARDO]

 

[PICHARDO]

 

[London_Calling]

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