Besar la mano?

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[h=1]Speaking of Latinos…[/h]By frau sally benz on <abbr class="published" title="Wednesday, March 17th, 2010, 2:05 pm" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none; background-color: transparent; border: none; cursor: help;">March 17, 2010</abbr>
In DR there’s this thing we do that I always find hard to explain to people who don’t do it because their reaction is basically “huhwha?” When you’re saying hi to somebody close to you who is older than you and/or is in some position of power/respect, you ask for their blessing. Like, that’s how you say hello. In Spanish it’s called pedir la bendicion, literally ask for the blessing. It goes something like this:
Me: Hi, please give me my blessing.
Them: Hi, this is me blessing you.
The words are hard to translate out of context, so it’s not quite that awkward, but it’s still kinda… weird.
Anywho, obviously when I was growing up, I thought this was standard, except then I realized nobody else did it except my Latino friends, but most of them were Dominican. Now I’m curious to know, who the heck actually does this?! I know Dominicans do and so do most Puerto Ricans I know, does anybody else? As in, 1) other Latinos and 2) other cultures in general.
I guess the power dynamics of this have always been strange to me. My parents were pretty lax about it, so we’ve never really done it with them, but if any other relative or close friend of my parents’ was there and we didn’t do this, we’d get in serious trouble. It’s basically the equivalent of spitting in their face, apparently. But it’s just odd because most of these people I hardly ever see, and I’m not even a religious person so why on earth am I asking you for a blessing, just to be in your presence?
I also find (and this is completely anecdotal and maybe only applies to my family) that men hardly ever do it with each other. Men will ask the women in the family, and women ask the men, and women ask the women, but very rarely have I seen men ask men. Sure, boys still ask it of their fathers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. but it seems like the older guys get then the less blessing they need from men… or… something…

Speaking of Latinos…
 

jabejuventus

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It's cultural to Puerto Rican households too, except and w/o the "besa la mano" (first I ever heard it). The main use was at bed time. It was about asking for blessing before you went to sleep (helped me feel more secure against nightmares). If you forgot to ask for blessing (bendici?n papa/mama), your parents(s) (mostly mom) would implore you to ask for blessing (pide bendici?n) to which you would comply w/bendici?n papa/mama. They would then respond w/"God bless you" (Dios te bendiga). Granted, everyone is entitled to opinion, but there is nothing dumb or stupid about it. There is the danger when biased expressions are publicized that others will be persuaded of the same. The "asking for blessing" phenomenon still makes all the sense to me today.
 
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AnnaC

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A lot of our nieces and nephews greet Mr. AE with 'bendicion tio'.

I've never heard the 'besar la mano'


The Italians must have done away with it too because I've only ever heard it in the old Godfather movies. :)
 
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[h=2]3/03/2006[/h][h=3]Difference in Culture !!![/h]
Cion Tia (bless Aunt), Cion Mami (bless mom), (Bless dad) Cion Papi, Every culture is different in there own way. Today I called my mother and as usual, I say to her Cion Mami (Bless Mami). In many of the Spanish cultures this is what we say to our parents, aunts, uncles when we greet them. Today I began to wonder why we do that. Americans don't say god bless mami when they first greet. I began to think to myself how religious the Spanish culture is. We bless our mothers everyday, what about those who are Spanish atheists, how do they address to their parents? I know too many this might not make sense but to those who are familiar with the Spanish culture they might be able to assimilate more. But I wonder why Bendicion mami? Though I have to admit I love blessing my family every day of the week.I wonder how this came about. And how long has this been around?I never paid much attention to it when I was younger because I was so used to saying it. It was just the way I grew up, no questions asked. Now that I take a look at it and exam my culture a little better I start to question it. I’m not saying that I was ignorant as a child or that I hate the fact of never knowing why certain things are said. I do however believe that things are implemented in us from the minute we are born. Not only in Latinos but in American cultures as well, for example we learn to have pride in our flag and in our "freedom". I know my family is here for the freedom and the chances that America has provided for us but its amazing how it is taught not only to Americans but to people in other countries.As much as I wonder about these things I never really asked anyone is my family and I honestly don't think my mom can give me an explanation. I am almost sure that she is just used to it as well. No one says you have to say Cion Mami, I think that since I was younger and before I could even speak my mom would repeat it over and over ... maybe as a joke ... maybe just to get me used to saying it but honestly can not think back to a time when my mom said "You have to say Cion Mami to me" Of course I have been told say Cion Tia/Tio here and there but not to my mother. I guess its just a form of respect. I totally respect it, its a part of who I am and I believe it brings families closer because in a way you're blessing them ... being thankful.

Thoughts on my head !!!!: Difference in Culture !!!
 

jabejuventus

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This is one of those stupid dr/pr traditions that infuriate me to no end. Truly ticks me off when someone in my wifes family asks my son to "besar la mano". Once I reazlied he got uncomfortable everytime someone asked him to "besar la mano" I told him he didnt have to...

I know I make a bigger deal out of it than it is but its just another way for the dominicans to make themselves feel better about being such bad parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles. ie: My sons grandmother (wifes mother who my son isnt that fond of anyways) always says to my son "besar la mano" and my son (6yrs old) just looks at her like shes crazy (she is crazy though). Not because of disrespect but because my son is smart and realizes at this young age that this grandma isnt that nice of a person. On the other hand, he adores my mother (which has never asked to besar la mano--- cubans) and treats her accordingly.

In other words, besar la mano, is just another way for crappy dominican parents to make children show respect for them.... when they dont deserve it.

How do you feel about men kissing each other, sometimes even in the mouth, as a greeting in some cultures?
 

Taino808

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This tradition derives from our catholic background, it's sort of the same as someone asking a priest to forgive them for their sins. A parishioner confronts his priest and asks, "forgive me father for I have sinned". The priest listens to his parishioner then hands out his judgement, with the customary "go with God, for he blesses you".

We Dominicans use it as a form of showing respect or obedience to our senior family members. Consequently a misbehaved offspring or family member will never extend his respect or obedience to the older family members, thus the offspring or family member alienates him or herself from the well wishes if the family.

When a Dominican father/mother replies with "Que Dios te Bendiga" to his/her offspring or any other family member, for that matter, he/she is wishing them well throughout the day. In years passed, this tradition was customarily followed with the offspring or family member holding the senior-family-member's hand while the younger offspring/family-member made a sort of curtsy motion. That part of the tradition has completely died out.

As a 42 year old, when ever I see my mother, father, aunt,uncle, grandma or grandpa, or talk to any of them through the phone; I always greet them with "cion mami/papi/tia/tio/abuela/abuelo". I however, have never asked my two daughters to greet me in the same way, my daughters however, greet their aunts, uncles and grandparents in this fashion.
 

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How do you feel about men kissing each other, sometimes even in the mouth, as a greeting in some cultures?

Men kissing on the mouths??? What culture is that????

As for a parent telling their offspring "que dios te bendiga" thats fine. My mother still tells me this everytime i speak with her on the phone.

Asking for god to bless my son is fine.

Asking my son to kiss your hand so you can ask god to bless him is outright stupid.
 

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whenever miesposo calls his parents on the phone he starts from cion ma/pa. i asked him about it and he said it was short for bendicion but did not explain it further. i did not pay attention thinking it spans from his mother being a religious freak, interesting there is some wider tradition behind it...

i have never heard about besar la mano thou. but then i do not interact with kids here at all so it may be a reason.

regarding men kissing each other on the mouth as a greeting: yeah, this is kind of old russian custom. just look at this video of communist leaders greeting each other...

[video=youtube;8hUWqZyxZUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUWqZyxZUA[/video]
 

AnnaC

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regarding men kissing each other on the mouth as a greeting: yeah, this is kind of old russian custom. just look at this video of communist leaders greeting each other...

[video=youtube;8hUWqZyxZUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hUWqZyxZUA[/video]


Thanks for killing that song for me. Not there's anything wrong with guys kissing if that's what they want but didn't need to see these guys kiss while this song was playing. :)
 
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The Resident Real Dominican says he's never heard "Ci?n". Only bendici?n. Very strange. I guess we're all confused. Even dv8's miesposo. :)
 

Taino808

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I guess you like this song then. LOL

[video=youtube;a62BBvWQ5OQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a62BBvWQ5OQ[/video]


I'm not a big fan of "To?o Rosario" and even though I've heard this song before, I must admit, I never cared enough about it to pay attention to the lyrics.