Can YOU "Land" A Good Dominican?

[palomitamia]

I mean, I am tired of talking about middle class folks in this country and to dummies, it sounds like elite class. I give up.

AZB

I absolutely desagree with that! You have to stay here and keep educating some of us because we enjoy reading your posts.......well, I do!

Even if I don't agree with everything you say it is always very well written and informative.

BTW,for all those (like me)who have no idea: what is so funny about Nebraska?

Keep the posts coming,

palomita

 

[bienamor]

AZB you make mistakes's be still my heart.

Omaha is in Nebraska and I knew that "or" was injected in there by mistake. I meant to say, Omaha, nebraska".
By the way, why do you instantly think I am talking about the elite class? Do you think a person who lives in a nice house and drives a late model car is only from lama or leon Jimenez family? I see you haven't discovered the huge middle class of this country. Thats ok, you are not alone here.
So lets see, there are only 98% dirt poor people in this country and 2 % elite class and zero Middle class. I see you know this country really well. If you are a dominican then you maybe from a barrio here and grew up in USA.
I mean, I am tired of talking about middle class folks in this country and to dummies, it sounds like elite class. I give up.
Please go find some nice decent poor class folks and then complain about their daily habbits. I have come to conclusion, some people are just destined to stay with the poor folks in this country.
This reminds me of an american who was talking trash about this country in presence of my friends carlos. carlos is from a well to do family and lives very well. The american was talling how poor the dominicans are, 98% this and that and blah blah blah. He sounded like some of you experts from Nebraska. I asked carlos, why don't you say something to him?
Carlos said, "why bother, he is stupid".
This summed up everything in my mind.
Please continue talking about how to land a poor uneducated jobless dominican who maybe very sincere from the heart.
AZB

After living and working here for 12 years, I know that the middle class is not composed of Brugal, Leon, etc. Do know some of them but what the heck.

But on the other hand all you ever seem to talk about are the middle class that own a grand house and their late model car. That is not the majority of the middle class here. Most of the people in Verizon working in the accounting, IT, marketing departments would I believe be middle class.
They don't have late model cars, or grand houses, in fact most of them use publico's or other methods of transportation to get to work, if not the parking lot on Kennedy would need to be 4 times bigger than it is. This is not to say that some of them dont have cars(late model newer than 2000?), or nice houses, but nothing on the order that you seem to continualy attribute to middle class.
So you can expound on your knowledge of the people all you want, but your not the expert that you think you are. And no I'm not Dominican, and no I don't live in the barrio. Have friends from the Zona Colonial to Arroyo Hondo and across the river to Hainamosa. All of which are middle class and educated, and yes some do live in a barrio. Wake up please.:bunny: :bunny:

 

[Berzin]

Fighting words!.

Berzin, you gotta give it to the guy, he has A LOT of great points and A LOT of knowledge in meeting a decent and educated Dominican.

Also, I do believe that even if a person decides to "play the field" even when at his 30's, 40's or even 50's, he can know about the difference between a good Dominican and a bad Dominican.

Not wanting to settle down doesn't mean that he is blind to what's happening around him.

Well, I'm not saying nor ever said that he does'nt know what he's talking about, or that I cannot understand what he's saying. But the point is someone who cheats on his girlfriend cannot give advice about finding a mate, because the foundation of any relationship is based on trust and remaining faithful. Which is obviously something he knows nothing about.

If I'm going to cheat on my girl, does it make it more respectable that the other woman is a high-class Santiagera as opposed to a Sosua whore? I think not.

 

[AZB]

As I suppose this woman would be just as unhappily married to you. It's nice though that you've found your niche in a desperately poor, incredibly corrupt third-world country because you definitely could not womanize and be such an elitist snob anywhere else. They have real sultans in Pakistan, not posers who just play one on the internet.

First of all, I am not acting like the elite snob anywhere, remember, I am only a middle class here.
I see why do middle class dominicans sound so elite to you all.
People like you only know dominicans who live off dirt roads in a shack made from coco wood. They are usually jobless with 3 kids and have never even been to santo domingo. They usually send their little 17 yrs old daughter with tourists so they can have some food to eat in the end of the day.
Now here is AZB talking about people with real jobs, education, cars and solid concrete houses etc. Must be the lama family because the dominicans you folks know certainly don't live like this.
I think I would have to hang out in the campos with folks like you all know to feel elite because here where I live I am Mr. nothing.
By the way, pakistan have no sultans, besides, I doubt you can even find pakistan in a world map. I say stick to this tiny country (DR) first, and get to know it before you can even attempt to pronounce the world pakistan. Remember Dominican 101 first before you study grad courses.

Now Mr. bigshot from NYC, I am not blowing hot air. If you see me in person, you will see that I really am in control of my reality. I can back up everything I say and do. Many DR1 folks know me in person. I am no big shot here but I am well known in my class circle in santiago. I have challenged you to come to santiago many times but it seems, you are very comfortable in campos. Wish you luck in the campos but remember, the city is the city.
AZB

 

[AZB]

Well, I'm not saying nor ever said that he does'nt know what he's talking about, or that I cannot understand what he's saying. But the point is someone who cheats on his girlfriend cannot give advice about finding a mate, because the foundation of any relationship is based on trust and remaining faithful. Which is obviously something he knows nothing about.

If I'm going to cheat on my girl, does it make it more respectable that the other woman is a high-class Santiagera as opposed to a Sosua whore? I think not.

Why not take my advice on finding the right mate and leave the cheating part out? Is that too hard to figure out?
I guess you will not agree with anything I say. I don't know you personally, but I do know your type. You would be surprised to meet me, I will figure you out in 10 minutes.
AZB

 

[AZB]

After living and working here for 12 years, I know that the middle class is not composed of Brugal, Leon, etc. Do know some of them but what the heck.

But on the other hand all you ever seem to talk about are the middle class that own a grand house and their late model car. That is not the majority of the middle class here. Most of the people in Verizon working in the accounting, IT, marketing departments would I believe be middle class.
They don't have late model cars, or grand houses, in fact most of them use publico's or other methods of transportation to get to work, if not the parking lot on Kennedy would need to be 4 times bigger than it is. This is not to say that some of them dont have cars(late model newer than 2000?), or nice houses, but nothing on the order that you seem to continualy attribute to middle class.
So you can expound on your knowledge of the people all you want, but your not the expert that you think you are. And no I'm not Dominican, and no I don't live in the barrio. Have friends from the Zona Colonial to Arroyo Hondo and across the river to Hainamosa. All of which are middle class and educated, and yes some do live in a barrio. Wake up please.:bunny: :bunny:

Did I ever say there is no poverty here? Did I ever say a middle class can't take a concho? Did I ever say all middle class live in a grand housees? I said Concrete houses and late model cars which is true in many cases.
Now my point is very simple and direct: All I am saying, you don't have to find love in wooden dirt roads type campos or resort barrios. To make your life much more easier, find a mate in the middle class circle, people with education, decent jobs, well manners and presentable looks. Is that too hard to imagine that this person may be more suitable to you (who is also from a middle class in north america, europe from a decent educational back ground)? Why the hell it has to be the dirt poor all the time to be more humane and sincere? Why not someone who is more equal to you?
Back in our own respective countries, when we want to buy a house or rent an apartment, where do we look, in projects where they sell drugs or in a decent area where everyone is from you own socio-economical level?
When we choose a restaurant, we go eat in some ghetto restaurant or a decent area where most of your own friends go? When we socialize with friends and folks from work we seek people of our own kind or we look for crack whores and pimps?
So if its ok to mix with the same kinds in USA then why is it so wrong to socialize with people who may resemble your own class level in DR? You see the double standards?
I think some of you folks only see what you want to see.
Mr. Bienamor lived here for 12 yrs yet he only saw poverty. I think he should come to santiago and let me show him some areas here. I am surprised in 12 yrs he only saw what tourists see and talk about. I bet he is like an expat I know. He owns a huge company and lived here for many years, speaks good spanish hold world class knowledge yet he is married to a chopa who looks like a cleaning lady. He is only seen with her chopa family in santiago. I hope he is not Bianamor.
AZB

 

[Malibook]

P.S. My GF doesn't know I enjoy mini adventures on the side. Like I said, I am a few steps ahead of her in the game.

Perhaps the next question should be 'Do you deserve a good Dominican?':cheeky:

 

[Berzin]

First of all, I am not acting like the elite snob anywhere, remember, I am only a middle class here.
I see why do middle class dominicans sound so elite to you all.
People like you only know dominicans who live off dirt roads in a shack made from coco wood. They are usually jobless with 3 kids and have never even been to santo domingo. They usually send their little 17 yrs old daughter with tourists so they can have some food to eat in the end of the day.
Now here is AZB talking about people with real jobs, education, cars and solid concrete houses etc. Must be the lama family because the dominicans you folks know certainly don't live like this.
I think I would have to hang out in the campos with folks like you all know to feel elite because here where I live I am Mr. nothing.
By the way, pakistan have no sultans, besides, I doubt you can even find pakistan in a world map. I say stick to this tiny country (DR) first, and get to know it before you can even attempt to pronounce the world pakistan. Remember Dominican 101 first before you study grad courses.

Now Mr. bigshot from NYC, I am not blowing hot air. If you see me in person, you will see that I really am in control of my reality. I can back up everything I say and do. Many DR1 folks know me in person. I am no big shot here but I am well known in my class circle in santiago. I have challenged you to come to santiago many times but it seems, you are very comfortable in campos. Wish you luck in the campos but remember, the city is the city.
AZB

I have always wanted to take you up on your gracious offer but for whatever reason things have'nt worked out for me to actually hang out in Santiago. I've gotten as close as La Vega but was so busy travelling around that I just did'nt have the time. But as soon as I can I'll look you up. Looking forward to it!!!

 

[dv8]

i mean, does anyone in this thread even talk about how to get a good dominican anymore?
geeez, guys, you get so personal here...
my dominican boy is good. we met in the hotel, became friends, fell in love, i came to live here. we have a nice life without extravagances (guess we are middle class ) a rented apartment, plans for the house, good car and a cat.
so - happy story.
ach, let me see, lots of definitions of "good" in this thread... good family, good education, good job... he has all that.
but even without it he would still be a good person.

 

[mountainfrog]

Polish Investment

.... i came to live here. we have a nice life ....so - happy story.

Yes, ten weeks and counting.
Plans for the house? :bunny:
That's good.

m'frog

 

[dv8]

when you get to my age you start thinking "gosh, maybe it's as good as it gets?"
as for my dominican boy - he's very happy, d'ya know how much nice, white, fully-breasted, fertile AND intelligent woman costs on a black market?
to everyone who suspects i have been 100% sankyfied - he paid for the carro, solar and will be paying for the house.
as we say it in poland - want a girl? you have to be able to afford her!
hi hi hi

 

[miguel]

Indeed!

To look for a "Good Dominican" and the majority of people going to the DR are visitors. A typical NA or European gets about 4 weeks vacation annually and probably is allowed to take about 1 - 2 weeks off at a time, therefore, the maximum time they're there is 7 - 14 days!!!. In the 1 - 2 weeks in the DR, that person is more than likely spending a couple of days "winding down/doing nothing", another couple on the beach, in Santiago, POP, Sosua, .... etc. leaving 3 - 10 days to find and court a "good Dominican".

It is highly unlikely that a "good Dominican" woul be interested in developing a relationship with someone who can only be in the DR around 28 days annually, perhaps 2 - 4 times!!! No relationship can develop in that short time frame, so the only choices available are (a) take time off work and spend time in the DR until you've found your mate or give up searching, or (b) stick to putas and chopos for instant satisfaction and keep returning 2 - 4 times per year. All good advice offeded here are useless to these people :glasses:

I agree with you completely.

That's exactly the reason I laugh at some of these people, when they claim that the woman/man they met in the DR, while on vacation, is the "best thing God created". How in hell do they know if they don't know the person at all?.

Those are the people, as AZB said, who would marry a chopa, a resort worker or someone from a resort area. Basically because they have no time to meet anybody else.

I see it like this:

In order for a tourist to meet a well-to-do, educated and decent Dominican, they need to spend a lot of time in the DR. If they can't, MOST of those Dominicans will not waste their time with them.

If they can't stay for a long period of time, MOST of them will only befriend those that are the closest to were they are staying, the resort or the surrounding barrios. Therefore, date them. Those people are the one that are willing to get to know a foreigner. And MOST of those people DO have a hidden agenda because MOST are poor and are looking to better themselves.

 

[AZB]

Perhaps the next question should be 'Do you deserve a good Dominican?':cheeky:

Who said life is fair?
maybe I will get cancer and die soon. there is no telling. I am simply enjoying my life while I can. I know my meter is also ticking.

I just heard some bad news. I had a spanish patient who was fairly young, worked for tabacco company in santiago. had a sweet girlfriend in santiago, nice job and a sweet daughter. All was going well for him and he made good money. He then disappeared for some time. I just talked to his girlfriend in the gym. She told me that the spaniard was suffering from fever that just wouldn't come down. Upon medical exam, they found out that he had colon cancer which had metastasized into his liver. He died from complication about a month ago in spain.
now here we have a man who ate well, did exercise, avoided fatty foods and alcohol, i think he didn't even smoke yet de just died of cancer at a young age.
So my friends, life is not fair to everyone, some people just expire before their time.
I try to live my life to the fullest without inflicting hurt on anyone else. My days are also numbered just like the rest.
AZB

 

[bienamor]

Well your getting better

Mr. Bienamor lived here for 12 yrs yet he only saw poverty. I think he should come to santiago and let me show him some areas here. I am surprised in 12 yrs he only saw what tourists see and talk about. I bet he is like an expat I know. He owns a huge company and lived here for many years, speaks good spanish hold world class knowledge yet he is married to a chopa who looks like a cleaning lady. He is only seen with her chopa family in santiago. I hope he is not Bianamor.
AZB

Correction lives here, I live in Santo Domingo not satiago(thank god), don't go near the tourist area's, am not married. An no plans to get married'

I just know that the majority of the middle class are good people, dont steal, dont act like chopos, dont play their music loud, dont have late model cars(meaning newer than 5 years, some do some don't), They are educated, have decent jobs (not all lawyers,doctors,models), Some are just poor ass marketing, accounting, IT, or even in some cases help desk and customer service, some install your telephone, or DSL, or own their own business. Some have concrete houses, some have wood, they live all over the city. They don't think that they are elite, some have visa's some don't. But they work to improve themselves and their family, their kids go to St. Georges, St Thomas, International School. And they sacrifice in some cases to put them there, so they can obtain a decent education.
Some make 10krd a month some make a lot more. but they all work for a living, and dont sit around playing domino, and drinking rum(well some on the weekend with the family all around). Most of them dont go to the expensive restaurants except on special occasions.
So go ahead an keep spouting your rhetoric, an maybe some of those who don't know will keep believing you are the final voice.
But this is the reality of the true middle class. Not the elite wantabe's that you seem to emulate.

 

[AZB]

I just know that the majority of the middle class are good people, dont steal, dont act like chopos, dont play their music loud, dont have late model cars(meaning newer than 5 years, some do some don't), They are educated, have decent jobs (not all lawyers,doctors,models), Some are just poor ass marketing, accounting, IT, or even in some cases help desk and customer service, some install your telephone, or DSL, or own their own business. Some have concrete houses, some have wood, they live all over the city. They don't think that they are elite, some have visa's some don't. But they work to improve themselves and their family, their kids go to St. Georges, St Thomas, International School. And they sacrifice in some cases to put them there, so they can obtain a decent education.
Some make 10krd a month some make a lot more. but they all work for a living, and dont sit around playing domino, and drinking rum(well some on the weekend with the family all around). Most of them dont go to the expensive restaurants except on special occasions.
So go ahead an keep spouting your rhetoric, an maybe some of those who don't know will keep believing you are the final voice.
But this is the reality of the true middle class. Not the elite wantabe's that you seem to emulate.

Ok, I never said I am elite or elite wanna be, thats what you hear whenever I talk. Just tell me how many more times I have to repeat that for you to understand me correctly? Elites are lama, hache, bermudez etc etc in this country. I am not one of them. Now you will see that people like him repeat the same old "elite" class all over again. Just watch.
I get it, since I am a pakistani by birth, then its hard for you to listen to me talk like this because to you, I should be some character from TV comedy sitcom driving a cab or working in 7/11 store. You can't imagine a pakistani excelling in any country. Well, open up your eyes, the times have changed and if you go back to USA and end up in hospital (god forbid) you might be operated by an excellent pakistani surgeon.
So I see why you can't stand me. But the truth is, I am not what you think I should be or think what I am trying to be. It only sounds elite to you what I say because all I am doing is talking about middle class but maybe you mingle so much with the low class, all my talk sound quite elite to you. What a shame.
Anyway, what you have described about middle class is quite true so which brings me to the next question: where are we so different? Now compare your middle class definition to the poor and jobless and do tell me why the poor ghetto good person should be prefered over the middle class?

You had just defined lower middle class to upper middle (meaning late model cars and nice houses). I don't think we are so far apart in our definition. But I fail to see why you won't prefer middle class over the poor and needy types?
Let me guess, the middle class girls won't give you time of the day?
Who knows, we all feel comfortable with where we belong.
AZB

 

[AZB]

Lets get the definition right of "middle" and "elite" class here. Maybe I am confused.
If a girl owns a car in new condition like 2003 and lives in a nice area like villa olga or los jardines, travels to usa every summer, and goes to PUCMM or works as a lawyer or some good job. She looks slim and elegant and talks like a very educated person. Dresses to please eyes of the admirars and well mannered.
is she a elite class or middle class to you guys? Lets say she is white as you gringos (just to raise the stakes high and involve the racial police as well in to this).

Same is true for a guy: drives a late model car, lives in a nice area like the girl and travels to USA frequently. He is elegant and has a degree from a respectable university, maybe from DR or USA. He is a manager in a bank or holds a top job in some major company or simply a business owner etc. He dresses professionally and well mannered.
Is he elite or middle class? I wish is I am allowed to post pictures but I think they will be deleted.
I just want to know what is your definition of middle class and elite in this country.
Why do I ask? Because whenever I talk about middle class some idiot somewhere hears elite.
So I want to settle this once and for all.
AZB

 

[Ricardo900]

I say, let's do away with the term "elite", in NYC, an individual from the "elite" class are at least a millionaire, period.

Let's see if we can gauge an individual from the "High" class of society. In NYC, most High class individuals have at least a 4yr college degree, make over 6 figures a year, own or can afford a late model mercedes, audi, aston martins, maserati, etc.. They live in condos, co-ops, townhouses, in the best of areas, starting around $500,000. They travel constantly to Europe, Asia, and South Pacific, I hear Dubai, is the new hotspot. They all have brokerage accounts and trusts set-up. Checking accounts is used for their grocery shopping, so they don't have to walk around with cash, which they rarely do. They shop at D'Agostinos & Gristedes for their food. They shop at Sak's & Bergdoff Goodman for their clothes. They entertain dinner at Tao, Smith & Wollensky's, Gramercy Tavern & Le Bernardin. Also, they are in the best physical shape: great diets, gym memberships, hair salons, etc.. I think that most people come across "High" class people, instead of "Elite" class people.

 

[planner]

Unfortunately none of that really applies to this! FIrst we are talking about the DR. and second we are talking about the middle class - not elite, not high class not wealthy............. Middle class is what AZB has referred to over and over again.

LEt's define middle class here in this country!

 

[M.A.R.]

Unfortunately none of that really applies to this! FIrst we are talking about the DR. and second we are talking about the middle class - not elite, not high class not wealthy............. Middle class is what AZB has referred to over and over again.

LEt's define middle class here in this country!

AGAIN??

wow this is boring boring boring.....:tired: :tired:

 

[planner]

Then stop reading if you are bored!