Look up the simultaneous raids in Quebec and Sosua rounding up the biker crowd few years ago.
Deemed a big success.
An early morning jump .....
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Casino Scams in the DR
Look up the simultaneous raids in Quebec and Sosua rounding up the biker crowd few years ago.
Deemed a big success.
An early morning jump .....
My father loved to gamble.... special phone in Las Vegas where NO was never an answer, etc.
Once in an island casino, he was enjoying himself.
me too, chatting up the numerous women with beer.
Being in a golf thing, I passed by, said we should be going.
How's the game ? I ask.
Good, he says. ... up $xx,xxx..... that many numbers.... truly.
I'll be right back say I ... finish off my drink.
Back ina very few minutes,,,, can't go now, he said.... down too much..... like a 180 degree reversal.
I watched him lose a bit more .... on good hands (blackjack).
I pulled him aside, ever see bad luck like this before ,,,,, Never, he says.
Fold the tent Dad, it can only get worse.....
We left.... he lost that 5 digit amount above.
Paradise Island, Nassau.....
The former casino , a gentlemans club was legit.
This place had a reputation..... a bad one.
Dealer must have heard me say we were leaving...... crooks
BTW, he was excellent gambler.... almost a professional
Island casinos have bad reputations, almost all islands,
RD is no exception.
Have fun but don't think about winning
Once in an island casino, he was enjoying himself.
me too, chatting up the numerous women with beer.
Being in a golf thing, I passed by, said we should be going.
How's the game ? I ask.
Good, he says. ... up $xx,xxx..... that many numbers.... truly.
I'll be right back say I ... finish off my drink.
Back ina very few minutes,,,, can't go now, he said.... down too much..... like a 180 degree reversal.
I watched him lose a bit more .... on good hands (blackjack).
I pulled him aside, ever see bad luck like this before ,,,,, Never, he says.
Fold the tent Dad, it can only get worse.....
We left.... he lost that 5 digit amount above.
Paradise Island, Nassau.....
The former casino , a gentlemans club was legit.
This place had a reputation..... a bad one.
Dealer must have heard me say we were leaving...... crooks
BTW, he was excellent gambler.... almost a professional
Island casinos have bad reputations, almost all islands,
RD is no exception.
Have fun but don't think about winning
Most people treat gambling on the island like they do in the States, entertainment ; an opportunity to mingle and look at the pretty chicas. Atlantic city has put 10s of thousands over the years in the poor house and nobody ever cries foul, they lost fair and square. Come to the island and loose and all of a sudden it's a rip off and a scam run by super shady individuals that have the ability to sweet talk you or strong arm you out off your cash. I love to gamble, and like most I have a limit. So spare me the scam, rip- off drama, no one held a 45 to your head.
You make excellent points. tell you what, why don't you come down here to North Coast and play this "Progressive Roulette" and let everyone know that its a legit game. You might even win--which would strengthen your argument further. Do you live here on the north coast?
I'll pick you up and take you to the casino and watch you play.
Frank
Story taken from DR1.
"Do not gamble in any Dominican Republic Casino. I was conned and scammed at a Casino in Sosua.
Since I returned to the U.S. I've done some investigating and heard stories of other people who were scammed in exactly the same way. The game I got scammed playing is called progressive roulette. I'm sure they change the name of the game to protect the guilty so, I'll describe it for you. It's a wooden circular device that eight little white balls are thrown into. There are many holes in the surface with different number values from 1 to 9 (I believe that was the correct range) that the balls, when thrown, fall into. This scam is very complex, keep reading. The second you walk in the door the local "host" greets you and asks you where you are from. He says they have a new game that you can play and he hands you a chip so that you can play the first hand for free.
"To all the people who got scammed with that game see the reason an american runs that game is because it is an american game and it is called a Razzle. I am very familiar with this game the object of this game is to get 100 points if you dont get 100 points on the rolls it goes back to 1 and you keep playing and by the time you realize it you spend hundreds and thousands of dollars."
One needs 100 points to win the 'jackpot' at this particular game. We got 95 points fairly quickly and then rolled an amount that doubled the amount required to roll again, as well as doubling the jackpot. Every time thereafter we rolled this same double, which was extremely rare in the early going. The man we talked to said that others (gambler who played this game) needed only one or two points (they had 98 or 99) and rolled many times always getting the roll that doubles the bet. He said he didn't know how it worked but it was the same outcome every time. A person fairly easily gets close to what they need and then never gets the final few points to win the jackpot.
When we arrived at the table there was an American "dealer" (i.e. the con artist running the scam) who greets you and begins explaining the rules and making you very comfortable with all of his knowledge about the U.S. He claimed to have lived in the city I was from and even knew specific names of places in the city. In retrospect, the places he knew were major landmark type places. He even told me some stories in between, distracting me from the scam that was in progress.
This is the crux of the scam. You can't actually walk away from the game with any money, however, because it's progressive. If you reach a certain total number of points you win a decent jackpot. Each hand you risk a small amount and you rapidly approach the number you need to win. What actually happens is he quickly miscounts the total number of your rolls in your favor so that it looks like you are quickly approaching the total you need for the jackpot. This is why you don't question it at first. If you were to start out losing, you would quit before you got into trouble. There are eight balls and the numbers are difficult to see and he calculates quickly and removes the balls. You are not inclined to question good rolls.
Of course, he keeps telling you how lucky you're getting the whole time and you come painfully close to winning when suddenly your luck turns and every time you throw the balls your jackpot doubles and the amount you must risk to throw them one more time also doubles. You might be thinking that only an idiot would keep playing. This scam is extremely honed and the scam artist is a scam genius. I am a very skeptical person (I've been called cynical by friends because of my distrust of human nature). I still can't believe I fell for it. I'm the type of person who is always looking for the ulterior motive (profit motive) of people trying to make a buck. I would never have dreamed that I would be the victim of a scam like this. If I would have read about someone getting scammed like this I probably would have laughed and said that it was their own stupid fault.
You will read responses to this posting chastising me for being stupid. All of the other postings I read by others who had been scammed the exact same way had someone responding saying that the casinos are honest. I can only assume these people are connected to these casinos. The biggest reason I fell for this scam is because it occurred in a casino. A big resort casino that one automatically assumes is on the "up and up." I even said to the "dealer", "this better not be a scam." Of course, he responded "how can it be, this is a legitimate casino."
I've since learned that this con artist is not employed by the casino. At least, they claim he's not employed by them. Apparently, he travels from casino to casino in the Dominican, sets up his little table for a time and then moves on to a different casino. The casino earns a portion of the profits. If the casino allows this then I'm sure the other games are rigged also. There are a lot of posting about how the casinos are legitimate. Again, do not believe them.
The "dealer", who began talking as if he were a country bumpkin, eventually ends up ordering the managers, other dealers and "security" around. I ended up in his office, not knowing if they were going to break my legs or kill me. At one point I asked him if they were going to take me out back and break my legs if my debt amount was not approved by Visa. He said in a serious tone, "that only happens in the movies." I responded, "what would happen, then." He said, "we'll talk about that when the time comes."
These casinos have no cash machines. You must play with your credit card. This is how you get in over your head because you'd never have access to the amount of money you do with your credit card.
Again, you must be asking yourself how I was so stupid. It happens so fast that you don't even know how much you owe until it's too late. This scam is incredibly complex and ingenious. In an American casino I would have ripped them a new a-hole on the spot. However, I was in the Dominican Republic and was frightened. I don't frighten easily. I didn't know what they might do to me. When you start catching on he uses a combination of friendliness and scare tactics by making references to the "security."
I'm the type of person who will go into the casino and not think much of losing a few hundred dollars, especially on vacation. I went from owing a few hundred to several thousand in no time. I suspect the amounts weren't even calculated accurately. I was with my girlfriend and was too scared to push it any further than I did. I thought Visa would protect me; they didn't. I have impeccable credit and they still wouldn't because I signed the receipt.
The "dealer," of course, talks about how this and that person won a bunch of money on this game just yesterday or last week. I spoke with one employee of the casino the following day who told me in strict confidence that he had never seen anyone win a dime in that game. He said, if they found out that he told me he would be in big trouble. He was a local who said he had seen countless people do exactly the same thing. This guy had incredible courage to tell me this. I bumped into him the next day on the street and I wish I could thank him.
It's not a scam because I lost a lot of money. It's a scam because it's run dishonestly. If I lost money playing blackjack and the dealer has dealt the cards correctly, it's my tough luck and I don't have a problem with that.
The main reason I'm posting this is that others won't be victimized as I was."
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There used to be another scam....
some peas & a pod game they played on the streets of I forget what island
You could NOT win, the guy cheated.... never the pea where it should be.
An unwitting bank teller played at lunch break...CIBC teller (story from his boss)
He was so sure he could win after losing everything, he went back into the bank and emptied his drawer to bet more....
Now CIBC $$$$
Lost it all.... the whole till.
His family mortgaged everything to pay the bank back. Lost the farm
Island scams are notorious.... even native islanders get duped.
Having now read Frankie G's post above
Say again... even native islanders get scammed
some peas & a pod game they played on the streets of I forget what island
You could NOT win, the guy cheated.... never the pea where it should be.
An unwitting bank teller played at lunch break...CIBC teller (story from his boss)
He was so sure he could win after losing everything, he went back into the bank and emptied his drawer to bet more....
Now CIBC $$$$
Lost it all.... the whole till.
His family mortgaged everything to pay the bank back. Lost the farm
Island scams are notorious.... even native islanders get duped.
Having now read Frankie G's post above
Say again... even native islanders get scammed
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By the way, Sky knows Casinos, Odds, & Betting better than anyone on here. He's in the business. He's been in the business for probably a half century now...yeah, i know...that's a long time. He's been written about in famous books. He's been mentioned in well-known documentaries. If he's says this game (Razzle, Progressive Roulette, Etc.) is a Scam...then you can bet its a Scam.
No one on here knows more about Odds & Betting then Sky.
And that's a fact.
Frank
Arnold Rothstein, Meyer Lansky, Hyman Roth, Sky. Only one of these was a fictional character....although, that one, was based on one of the other three.
I am in the casino about once a month before I walk down to Pedro C. I have in fact played the game. Like all casino games the odds are against you. Craps, roulette, slots and the money wheel. It's a form of entertainment.But for some reason when people come to the D.R it's sleazy and under handed antics.Go to a pit boss in Atlantic City N.J and tell him you were scammed out of 5 large he would probably say " want to open a line of credit".
His niece, a major physician/surgeon in Clearwater, was one of my medical directors.
We have had many friends ask us questions before visiting the DR. One of the most popular questions asked is about Casino's/gambling. My reply has always been if your looking to gamble this is not the place for you.
Again, anyone who predicts that you are just about win.. is scamming you.. he clearly is adding prizes that he keeps repeating "you gonna be the luckiest guy we ever had here"... .how the *** would he know what is going to happen ? obviously a set up. Also the DOUBLING of the Bets .. another major clue . they are forcing you into doubling each bet , so now they created 2 suckers , with the same person. . and the miscounting trick that is just a big time giveaway .. I cant feel sorry for suckers like this . They are allowing their GREED to control them..