Cibao “i”

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Someone posted this link to a Dominican genealogy page I belong to, I thought it was interesting about the “i”. Mr AE’s father’s family were from Santiago, Montecristi and Mao, and his dna test revealed his greatest ethnicity was Portuguese; surprised us at the time (we expected Spain & Italy), but this ties right in.

 
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He only touches on the possible Galician connection but it has to be a more significant factor. The Galician language (gallego) and accent are very close to Portuguese and there has been mass-migration from Galicia to the new world over the centuries. What would need to be established is whether they settled in the Cibao in larger numbers. I haven't noticed that many Portuguese surnames in the DR.
 

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He only touches on the possible Galician connection but it has to be a more significant factor. The Galician language (gallego) and accent are very close to Portuguese and there has been mass-migration from Galicia to the new world over the centuries. What would need to be established is whether they settled in the Cibao in larger numbers. I haven't noticed that many Portuguese surnames in the DR.
Wouldn't it be difficult to tell in many cases if the surname is Spanish or Portuguese? Abreu, Gomes, Cruz, Delgado, Garcia, Cabral, and Esteves are common names in the DR, and all are common in both Spanish and Portuguese.
 
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A quick visit to Google confirms that Abreu and Cabral are just as likely to be Galician. Garcia, Delgado and Cruz are primarily Spanish surnames although they may also be found in Portugal.

Patronymic surnames with 'es' endings are Portuguese so if they spell it Esteves/Gomes rather than Estévez/Gómez it would suggest Portuguese descent or a civil registrar/priest who couldn't tell the difference - in Spain S and Z are pronounced differently while in Latin America they are both pronounced in the same way. At the same time, it's also likely that some of these Portuguese names ended up being changed to the Spanish spellings.
 

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Chiri, your posts sent me googling, and I found these, one also mentioning the Portuguese affecting the cibao dialect. 10% of the population was Portuguese and 3% Spanish?????

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Interesting stuff. Many of my wife's family , that have been in the DR for many generations do not have Spanish surnames, or perhaps the spelling has been changed over the years. On my wife's father side the names are Mieses ( not Spanish - Jewish) but from Spain, Abreu- Spanish. On her mothers side Marine, from Spain but not Spanish, Ramirez and Mora both Spanish. The Acevedo's in Jarabacoa are all light hair and blue eyed, same with the Bremonts.
 
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One familiar word that I have heard in Portuguese that is used en el Cibao is Pai.

Pai = Father
 

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Chiri, your posts sent me googling, and I found these, one also mentioning the Portuguese affecting the cibao dialect. 10% of the population was Portuguese and 3% Spanish?????

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The facts in his message are a bit garbled. The bit about Portuguese Jews in Sosua is incorrect although there was a much earlier migration of Sephardic, possibly Portuguese, Jews from Curacao. The last section looks like it's from Wikipedia but I can't locate it. It would be good to see the sources for the 10% Portuguese vs. 3% Spanish figures.
 

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This is a very interesting article. Is the first time I read about Portuguese connection to El Cibao. My mother's side is from Cibao last names Nunez and Ortega, Spanish descent I believe, never bothered to look into it. I would like to take an ancestry test, who knows what I'll find out.
 
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