No offense, but Pedro is anything but dull minded. No doubt you have missed the subtleties of his British wit.
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No offense, but Pedro is anything but dull minded. No doubt you have missed the subtleties of his British wit.
Thanks for that Chip.
Also, Vacara, it is good to know somebody reads and even remembers my posts.
Very flattering. Thanks very much, for that.
I guess all that Calculus as a child must have dulled my brain.
harsh words for a newbie just started to post on a bord.
would you consider yourself to have a huge IQ?
it would be a counterfact to your friend Nal's high/low IQ theory,
b/c lil "not too bright" Pedro (lower IQ??) shows much higher writing and arguing skills than the big IQ'ed Vaca.
of course a revolution/war in any country has it's influence on neighbour countries and that specially includes the tourism sector and the real estate sector.
a revolution starts and many people flee the brutallity, to in case of Haiti they jump aboard a boat and head towards the NW to get mostly caught/send back/or sunk by the USCG, the bigger crowd just hit's the road towards the east to Dominican neighbours Paradise.
such has it's impact on many different fields.
the big cities fill up with street beggers and the lil crimes go up right away there.
the construction sites of the big money making companies get even cheaper labourers than they anyways had from the neighbour country.
real estate rates stuck or go down, who wanna byy near a warsite?
tourism will miss some guests who may have considered the DR as their next vacation destin but are not willing to end up in a warzone.
and the DR has rising expenses in case of needed persons/resources to collect and register and send back the in revolution times fast growing crowd of illegal immigrants.
Mike
Thanks for that Chip.
Also, Vacara, it is good to know somebody reads and even remembers my posts.
Very flattering. Thanks very much, for that.
I guess all that Calculus as a child must have dulled my brain.
Too bad this is not math board to make you look smarter. I also dealt with "calculo and derivada", plenty of in the engineering curriculum in INTEC, though you might be interested.
both focuses would not be a theme worth to spend valuable life time on.
let's just stick to each others different opinions on the "Haiti" theme.
opinions of all different IQ levels and educational powers are welcome.
Mike
let's just stick to each others different opinions on the "Haiti" theme.
opinions of all different IQ levels and educational powers are welcome.
Mike
I have defended the DR many times on this forum against charges of being racist in it's dealings with Haitians, but it is becoming apparent to me from posting of Dominicans on this forum and living in the DR that there is a significant racist element here. I base this on seeing the uncalled for criticizing of Haitians and those who speak on their behalf. Such a shame.
different races have sorrily their fronts everywhere on the globe, that is not different here on the Island.
it is foreigners who see themselves more intelligent or capable of things than locals,
it is Dominicans who see themselves as "better" than Haitians,
it is also fact within the country, within Dominican communities,
i.e. when a white dominican looks down on a brown dominican,
when a brown dominican looks down on a black dominican.
i do not say that every white/brown/black is looking down on ....,
but as a matter of fact by own 14 years of observations and living in dominican communities with dominican families, there are many who do so, and that's on all social levels present, not just that a white mid class man would look down on a darker lower class man.
even in rural areas such 'classifying' is part of daily life/behavior/talks/actions.
it is sorrily part of Human nature,
not tyupical dominican, american, german, spanish or such.
it is typical Human Race.
Mike
it is foreigners who see themselves more intelligent or capable of things than locals,
it is Dominicans who see themselves as "better" than Haitians,
it is also fact within the country, within Dominican communities,
i.e. when a white dominican looks down on a brown dominican,
when a brown dominican looks down on a black dominican.
i do not say that every white/brown/black is looking down on ....,
but as a matter of fact by own 14 years of observations and living in dominican communities with dominican families, there are many who do so, and that's on all social levels present, not just that a white mid class man would look down on a darker lower class man.
even in rural areas such 'classifying' is part of daily life/behavior/talks/actions.
it is sorrily part of Human nature,
not tyupical dominican, american, german, spanish or such.
it is typical Human Race.
Mike
You are so right. These tests were created by Europeans, with such biased, that explains why the East Asian countries registered the highest IQ. :surprised
I guess those East Asian are very in tune with European culture. :ermm:
When the verbal part of an IQ test is removed (as is the case in culturally sensitive IQ tests as the ones used in the book), it will measure numerical and spatial skills; both of which are culturally neutral.
What is so culturally biased of an exam consisting of questions such as the following:
Even an illiterate person can do this by having someone tell them what to do (ie. pick the option that best fit the pattern).
-NALs
Cuba is actually wealthier than the DR ($9,500 vs. $8,100 respectively),a difference of only $1,400. Puerto Rico, having the same IQ level of the DR, is much wealthier than both at c. $17,000.
Yet, Haiti lags the DR by $6,800, lags Cuba by $8,200, and Puerto Rico by $15,700.
Why the difference?
PR is under direct US influence and rule, a country with an average IQ of 98 and a per capita income surpassing $40,000.
Cuba is under a comunist/socialist dictatorship that has, as of late, been able to prop its economy thanks to generous help from Venezuela.
Dom. Rep. is under capitalism, politically independent, and thus; its increasing development level and relatively high economic growth rates (on a long run basis) reflects its actual capability.
The question should not be between Cuba and the DR, but rather between Haiti and Jamaica.
Supposedly, both share an IQ of 72; yet Jamaica is poorer than the DR by a mere $700 but surpasses Haiti by $6,100.
Of course, Jamaica is a very new country. It was only in the 1960s that it separated itself from what was left of the British Empire; and I believe it still belongs to the Commonwealth. Haiti has been 'free' for over 200 years of continuous decline. Haiti also lacks a real democratic values, a real capitalist system, and overall stability; unlike Jamaica.
So obviously IQ is not the end all be all, there are other factors that play into the equation. But, that still doesn't eliminate the possibility that IQ can explain certain deviations, once all other factors are equalized.
-NALs
Don't forget Cuba, whose Sierra Maestra on clear day is visible from Haiti's most northwestern point.
In fact, the most northwestern point of Haiti is only about 60 miles from Cuba's most eastern point. Compare to the DR's most eastern point being 72 miles from Puerto Rico's most western point. Plus, Puerto Rico is not even visible from the DR's most eastern point.
My assumption is that the Mona Passage has a much higher illegal human trafficking rate than does the Windward Passage, despite the latter being shorter than the former.
The point being that once Cuba re-enters into capitalism, its pre-1959 habit of using Haitian and Jamaican labor for much of its agricultural activities might return; along with, perhaps, construction since immigrants tend to dominate that sector in all countries plagued by illegal immigration. Perhaps the largest migration flow is yet to be seen, and it might just be between Haiti and Cuba.
That would actually be in the best interest of the DR, Haiti, and Jamaica (the Primer Minister there responded to the Haitian influx by saying they are a threat to Jamaica and Jamaicans, and not a single NGO noticed this; interesting!)
But, Cuba has to re-enter capitalism and if the perception is correct, its only a matter of time before that happens.
-NALs
All the data I've seen about this puts the number at most at 60 to 70,000.
In a country with 1.8 million Haitian immigrants, 90%+ of whom are illegals; do you really think (let's be a little liberal with the figure) an extra 100,000 has that much of an effect?
Had the Dominican media never published anything about the revolution in Haiti:
A) The vast majority of the people in the DR would had not even suspected something was happening.
And
B) The so-called invasion during the Aristide ordeal was undetectable until the media made it clear to everyone that a new influx of Haitians was underway. You see, out of 1.8 million Haitians, and extra 100,000 as most is simply not that noticeable.
Now tell me, how exactly did that affected the DR?
The tourists in Bavaro and Playa Dorada were completely oblivious to anything happening on the other side of the island; tourism was not even affected by it.
The DR continued to register record direct foreign investments; again not affected.
And everything else was not affected, except the national psyche once the media told everyone something was happening.
-NALs
Yolas TO Cuba? That's crazy talk! Somehow I doubt a cuban wage would be any better than a dominican wage. Bahamas, Turks and Caicos, the US, those are places that will pay Hatians well, but Cuba? haha. You can't blame haitians for leaving their country, its very understandable, but its also understandable that there might be some resentment towards them, it happens anywhere where there's a large influx of a particular group.
Haitians are not bad, or dumb people. Most are victims of a centuries old power struggle, and upheval every decade or so. Education, Investment, resource management could go a long way there. Haiti's lack of development is not because they lack an inate intelligest that the DR has.
Haitians are not bad, or dumb people. Most are victims of a centuries old power struggle, and upheval every decade or so. Education, Investment, resource management could go a long way there. Haiti's lack of development is not because they lack an inate intelligest that the DR has.
It doesn't matter if the wages are better or worst than in DR or elsewhere. If Cuban wages under a capitalistic system are higher than wages in Haiti, the flow will start and it will not be a trickle. Currently there are quite a number of Haitians living in Cuba; imagine what will happen when the place begins to boom under capitalism.
Haitians don't just need better wages than in Haiti, they also need jobs. Offer them a job at whatever wage and they will take it.
That's part of the reason the DR has the second largest Haitian diaspora in the world and it has nothing to do with the DR offering wages that beats everyone except the US (home to the largest Haitian diaspora).
Its only a matter of time for the Cuban flow to start.
Of course, that is obvious.El_Uruguayo said:
I've never stated that Haitians lacked an inate intelligence level. To make such claim would be to succumb to the nation of racial superiority, of which I don't believe in. I simply stated that the IQ registered there is currently inferior to almost every other country in this hemisphere and the world.
That could be the result of many things; pervasive malnutrition, the fact that over half of the population is in abject poverty, so on and so forth. A change in policy and attention towards them will most likely increase their IQ level, but that doesn't erase what has been noted already.
-NALs
so most reach the US, even that Cuba is so much closer and offer it all??
even with the great US coast guard outtha chasing them down?
right,
the very most biggest haitian population out of haiti is there.
PUERTO RICO WEALTHIER THAN WHAT????
you are kidding me.
go back to the polls,
let people choose #1 or #2 or #3 or make even more complicated brainstorming stuff like offering a additional #4!!!
in case of wealthinest or educational behavior PR is many levels below the DR or Cuba, and the caribbean helds a good dozen of other destins much over PR.
where ever they go they are laughed at,
even that they are US supported since decades,
and the average mentioned 98 IQ for the 'brother's mainland' is something i want to see proofed by an outside source, that's just US intern check results.
people go the most easiest way under danger,
and that's since the last decades for haitians clearly the land way to walk over to the DR instead of hitting the waterroad to Cuba(%$#%^# rough Sea conditions on that side).
once they are on dominican soil the ones who wanna leave the Isle do that by waterway from the DR eastern coastline toward Puerto Rico, compared to the west of the Isle perfect paradise Sea conditions for a run, once there surroundings on the same educational/IQ level present and then they do the run towards NYC to meet the brothers there like the dominican boat people on this side of the Isle.
heck,
there are around 4 million dominicans over there,
Dominican York, here we come!
Mike
Of course there is and anyone who denies it is not being honest.
I have too many stories to share .
I have had to question my Dominican friends who claim to be Catholic and deeply religious how they could utter some of the hateful and totally uncalled for things, they so casually say about Haitians. Silence was the answer.
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You are so right. These tests were created by Europeans, with such biased, that explains why the East Asian countries registered the highest IQ. :surprised
I guess those East Asian are very in tune with European culture. :ermm:
When the verbal part of an IQ test is removed (as is the case in culturally sensitive IQ tests as the ones used in the book), it will measure numerical and spatial skills; both of which are culturally neutral.
What is so culturally biased of an exam consisting of questions such as the following:
Even an illiterate person can do this by having someone tell them what to do (ie. pick the option that best fit the pattern).
-NALs
You post enough links yourself.
Please read the one I posted, NALS.
That will explain it for you.
If I may post twice in a row....
Sweet - I like to think so. I often worry that living here has turned me into a hard-ass.
Funny - Again, I like to think so.
Not too bright - can one be too bright?
All in all, I will take that from Vacara.
And i promise to stop talking about myself now. ;0