Berzin said:And this whole "I sell drugs as a last resort, or to pay bills, feed my family..." Do people still buy this worn-out excuse?
I grew up in a nice area of the bronx in new york city. You would probably call it the hood now. Drugs are the norm there. I work in the bronx as a new york city police officer for the past 19 years. Where I work is the hood. I am sick and tired of hearing the bull$hit excuses that "You wouldn't understand whitey". In the good old USA black males drop out of school at an alarming rate. Why? Not to support their families like others do in other countries. They drop out so they can make quick easy sneaker money. Living the thug life is looked at with admiration. This crap has got to stop. Men need to take responsibility for their children. Mothers need to take care of their children. It's said that in the ghetto a woman doesn't learn to be a mother until she is a grandmother. This also has to stop. Please stop making excuses for these drug dealers. Too many good people have died because of them. Sorry for the rantsamanasuenos said:I can not bring myself to write in defense of crack dealers or any type of drug dealers.
That said, it is easy for people who have not lived in the hood to jump to conclusions.
Of course, if YOU (middle class white man or woman) moved to the hood, knowing what you know and having the role models and privledge and parental support that you have experienced, of course YOU would chose another method to earn money.
You would also bring with you a notion of delayed gratification, commitment, and sacrifice, as well as memories of them having worked for you and others that you know.
The lure of dealing drugs does not exist in a vaccum. For poor young males, many African American -- or Dominican, drug dealing is attractive in the ABSENCE of good role models. Very few neighbors, if anyone, are showing them how to escape the shackles of poverty.
If THE ONLY RICH GUY YOU KNEW was a sports icon and the other was a drug dealer, the only one, are you SO sure that you would not turn to dealing? (Mayeb after your dream of sports turned sour...)
Don't you think they KNOW the probability of death before age 25, what is it now 1 in 3 for a young black/hispanic dealer?
I read the obits for tens of young black/hispanic men that I went to schol with. Some of them were in my algebra class in middle school, a few ran track and played ball, some went to college for a short time, before risking their lives for easy drug money.
It is very easy to judge these folks when we live outside of their world and can not even fathom what it is like. It is easier to judge them when we did not know them as small boys, neighbors, brothers, boyfriends or sons.
May I suggest that we save our loathing for the next level up - the Dons who sell to the dealers ,and to their big daddies. Those guys must be suit guys. Maybe they're posting on this board and condeming the little street warriors.
Selling drugs on that level is the inexcusable job. Back off of the young street corner dealers and focus your energy on alternative ways to get them out of poverty.
Done with my vent, bring on the raw eggs and rotten tomatoes! -suenos
La La Land said:I really wish they would all die from their own substances that they choose to sell. Let them live in the hell they create....
samanasuenos said:I can not bring myself to write in defense of crack dealers or any type of drug dealers.
That said, it is easy for people who have not lived in the hood to jump to conclusions.
Of course, if YOU (middle class white man or woman) moved to the hood, knowing what you know and having the role models and privledge and parental support that you have experienced, of course YOU would chose another method to earn money.
You would also bring with you a notion of delayed gratification, commitment, and sacrifice, as well as memories of them having worked for you and others that you know.
The lure of dealing drugs does not exist in a vaccum. For poor young males, many African American -- or Dominican, drug dealing is attractive in the ABSENCE of good role models. Very few neighbors, if anyone, are showing them how to escape the shackles of poverty.
If THE ONLY RICH GUY YOU KNEW was a sports icon and the other was a drug dealer, the only one, are you SO sure that you would not turn to dealing? (Mayeb after your dream of sports turned sour...)
Don't you think they KNOW the probability of death before age 25, what is it now 1 in 3 for a young black/hispanic dealer?
I read the obits for tens of young black/hispanic men that I went to schol with. Some of them were in my algebra class in middle school, a few ran track and played ball, some went to college for a short time, before risking their lives for easy drug money.
It is very easy to judge these folks when we live outside of their world and can not even fathom what it is like. It is easier to judge them when we did not know them as small boys, neighbors, brothers, boyfriends or sons.
May I suggest that we save our loathing for the next level up - the Dons who sell to the dealers ,and to their big daddies. Those guys must be suit guys. Maybe they're posting on this board and condeming the little street warriors.
Selling drugs on that level is the inexcusable job. Back off of the young street corner dealers and focus your energy on alternative ways to get them out of poverty.
Done with my vent, bring on the raw eggs and rotten tomatoes! -suenos
can you say anger management?Pingu said:You people argue about drugs without knowing ANYTHING about the business, the social imperatives or anything else about drugs. You don't do drugs because they contradict your moral ideals so you fool yourself into believing that people care about your moral relativism and your ignorant, outdated bull****t. You have no real insight into the drug trade but you are quick to regurgitate the same ol' "Drugs are horrible and they kill people." Yeah, so what? You gonna stop a Drug King Pin from making millions? I don't think so.
The truth is, drugs are so readily available in EVERY city that the sheer amounts of users is enormous. The profits made from drug sales evidently point to the fact that there are millions of users. Since the people on this board are evidently old idiotic expats who know everything about nothing, let me tell you a hard fact that your dumb@ss doesn't know: The majority of drug users are Middle to very High Class people. Don't believe this? Ask a major coke dealer and ask him who's his best customer. Your neighborhhod lowlife Bum, or a Banker who buys Kilos every weekend just to have fun with his friends.
Like all abusers, the addiction seems worst when you live in poverty or can't make ends meet. If you're poor and you become an addict, you become a Bum. Simple as that. If you're rich and successful you go to something they call "Rehab." It prevents you from becoming a bum and being a disgrace to your family. I can not even tell you the thousands of Rich Bums that exsist in this world.
Enough with the "drugs are bad crap." You buy it, you put it in your system, it's YOUR decision. Live with it.
jruane44 said:can you say anger management?
Pingu said:No. But I can say "SHUT THE Fu(K UP!"
Pingu said:You people argue about drugs without knowing ANYTHING about the business, the social imperatives or anything else about drugs. You don't do drugs because they contradict your moral ideals so you fool yourself into believing that people care about your moral relativism and your ignorant, outdated bull****t. You have no real insight into the drug trade but you are quick to regurgitate the same ol' "Drugs are horrible and they kill people." Yeah, so what? You gonna stop a Drug King Pin from making millions? I don't think so.
The truth is, drugs are so readily available in EVERY city that the sheer amounts of users is enormous. The profits made from drug sales evidently point to the fact that there are millions of users. Since the people on this board are evidently old idiotic expats who know everything about nothing, let me tell you a hard fact that your dumb@ss doesn't know: The majority of drug users are Middle to very High Class people. Don't believe this? Ask a major coke dealer and ask him who's his best customer. Your neighborhhod lowlife Bum, or a Banker who buys Kilos every weekend just to have fun with his friends.
Like all abusers, the addiction seems worst when you live in poverty or can't make ends meet. If you're poor and you become an addict, you become a Bum. Simple as that. If you're rich and successful you go to something they call "Rehab." It prevents you from becoming a bum and being a disgrace to your family. I can not even tell you the thousands of Rich Bums that exsist in this world.
Enough with the "drugs are bad crap." You buy it, you put it in your system, it's YOUR decision. Live with it.
This is the intelligent response that I expected.Pingu said:No. But I can say "SHUT THE Fu(K UP!"
Pingu said:You people argue about drugs without knowing ANYTHING about the business, the social imperatives or anything else about drugs. You don't do drugs because they contradict your moral ideals so you fool yourself into believing that people care about your moral relativism and your ignorant, outdated bull****t. You have no real insight into the drug trade but you are quick to regurgitate the same ol' "Drugs are horrible and they kill people." Yeah, so what? You gonna stop a Drug King Pin from making millions? I don't think so.
The truth is, drugs are so readily available in EVERY city that the sheer amounts of users is enormous. The profits made from drug sales evidently point to the fact that there are millions of users. Since the people on this board are evidently old idiotic expats who know everything about nothing, let me tell you a hard fact that your dumb@ss doesn't know: The majority of drug users are Middle to very High Class people. Don't believe this? Ask a major coke dealer and ask him who's his best customer. Your neighborhhod lowlife Bum, or a Banker who buys Kilos every weekend just to have fun with his friends.
Like all abusers, the addiction seems worst when you live in poverty or can't make ends meet. If you're poor and you become an addict, you become a Bum. Simple as that. If you're rich and successful you go to something they call "Rehab." It prevents you from becoming a bum and being a disgrace to your family. I can not even tell you the thousands of Rich Bums that exsist in this world.
Enough with the "drugs are bad crap." You buy it, you put it in your system, it's YOUR decision. Live with it.
Joshua R said:OOOOOHH SHAZZZZAAAMMMM SHOT ALL YALL DOWN !!!!! pingu you did good couldnt of said it better myself