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german resident killed in distrito nacional
the living situation down there ...what does that mean. ..with only a fraction of the killings that happen up there ...on the same day as the tragic Orlando Massacre there were a further 97 people killed by firearms up there . It is easy to see that foreigners murdered here sometimes have an association with places and people where trouble is not uncommon
Well Kip, we do need to factor in the size of the population.
Not that I disagree with you.
But 10M people cf 300M is a multiple of 30.
Seems to me the RD killings are more targeted vs the randomness of the USA.
Just how I see it.
Not that I disagree with you.
But 10M people cf 300M is a multiple of 30.
Seems to me the RD killings are more targeted vs the randomness of the USA.
Just how I see it.
Arming yourself here has many risks, some already mentioned. What's not mentioned is you, a foreigner have limited rights here and the justice deck is stacked in favour of Dominicans. If you shoot a Dominican for any reason, you will end up in jail and not see daylight until you pay enough money to the police, lawyers, and judge to obtain your freedom. The DR is not Kansas Toto! Despite that, the likelihood of an Orlando type massacre happening in the DR is low.
A foreigner in the DR has to keep a low profile and has to be very streetwise. Many are not that's why they get screwed or killed. :ermm:
with the living situation what I am talking about are the economic options that are available down there for most Dominicans. From reading on this site and talking to other dominicans my take on it is that there are not as many economic options available to them and the ones that do have a job do not make much granted there are exceptions to the rule.
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That 4 door Porsche is very rare here. After killing the guy it would be very difficult driving or trying to sell without getting caught
agreed. the only way to sell it would be by getting it somehow to haiti.
burning the car was logical in terms of removing evidence.
apparently this case was discussed today in la zeta and more info may be coming soon.
The majority of the violence here is due to poverty, drugs, etc. Violence against women, spousal abuse is due partly to the machismo element in Latin society and not limited to DR males. Other causes are a corrupt justice system from the police on the street to the judge sitting on the bench and further still into the halls of government here. Lack of education and lack of well paying jobs also contribute to the cause.
There is some hope for the future DR generations. There is a concerted effort on the government's part to increase the number of schools, open them to all classes of society and provide more educational opportunities. The recently reelected President is threatening to crack down on crime and corruption. 12,000 military troops are helping the DR police forces in that regard. There is a growing middle class here. Teaches have been given significant raises, etc.
Perception is the big problem here. The poor see expats living in nice homes and condos, driving nice cars, etc. Material possessions they can't hope to obtain when the average DR family of four or five is living on $500 to $700 US a month. They assume we are rich and don't feel guilty scamming or robbing foreigners. Robberies often end in violence when guns come into play. If a foreigner is foolish enough to flash large amounts of money here in public, trouble usually comes quickly. Resisting a robbery canquickly result in death. High profile expats are watched by thousands of eyes every day. A lot of this can be avoided by using common sense and street smarts.
Police and military receive low pay, hence no incentive to perform their jobs well. If they can supplement their income by corrupt means, they often go down that road. Especially if they see their superiors doing the same thing. Unless there are basic societal changes here the problems will continue. Add the DR's massive debt load to all of this and you quickly understand how and why society operates here. Most people here survive by living day to day.
Ecoman ,the statisics do not show what you wrote,,they say the crime is caused by delinquency and by far the greatest number of targets are Dominicans ...Also the DR has not got a massive debt load and I doubt if any delinquent has even heard of that phrase so is not an influence.. I doubt if anyone can put the finger on one single reason we have violence here ....
Not fully true!!!! I know of one expat who shot burglar killed him... No jail nothing praised him and said he is lucky!!!!
With that said Im A hunter in canada and range shooter for handguns and never felt need here in Canada or DR to carry gun...
You look for trouble you will find it...
Sorry, I am not understanding. Are you implying that this Swiss Gentlemen was seeking trouble?
I've lived on the North Coast. I lived in the capitol. Criminals who live in these barrios go
to other sections of town/ the city to commit their crimes. I am dumb founded as to
how you feel less safe on the North Coast? I have never seen any street crime on the
North Coast. I can't count the number of times I've seen a women get her bag snatched
or that I've been sitting in traffic and someone reach into the carrito with a weapon
to steal a cell phone from a passenger.
Living in or visiting one of these barrios has never been a problem for me. Having to deal
with hungry animals in the capitol who've left there natural habbit (barrio) for the evening
to (rob and steal) feed.... has.
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I agree delinquency is one of the causes. Whether or not it is the main cause is open for discussion. I believe poverty and lack of education are the main causes. Better incomes, better education and a better sense of self worth would, I think, reduce the crime rate over time.
Danilo came into power burdened with a major debt problem from previous Presidents. Under his administration, the cost of living has risen significantly and continues to rise because of increased taxation to try and balance government expenditures. Danilo has been plugging away at the DR debt problems, however, it still diminishes the government ability to pay decent wages to the people who deal with the crime on the streets, the police. Because of it they lack the motivation to do a good job and rise above the corruption. Pay them a decent wage and maybe they will do a decent job. Whether or not the crime rate would diminish if wages were better remains to be seen. But it would be a starting point.
The reasons I provided to Jaws were general in nature. I didn't say expats were specific targets. I know the stats show the number of Dominicans mudering Dominicans far outnumber the Dominicans murdering expats. That's a logical result of the population density. I assumed Jaws wanted a foreigners perspective and based my response accordingly.
As mentioned, major societal shifts will have to occur before the crime rate changes. Up to now the DR government has provided motherhood statements, lip service, and little else to deal with the crime rate. The latest addition of 12,000 military troops to assist the police was done for election purposes and will quickly fade into the background. Look at the money wasted during therecent elections, the money wasted on project overruns and poor planning, the money sloughed off to grease the hand of politicans in all levels of government. The reality is the crime rate in the DR is just one burning tree in an island wide forest fire.