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Haiti, a Caribbean country, is joining the African Union
I previously mentioned a woman that in a Dominican television show said that one of the problems facing Haiti is a segment of its political class that doesn't want to accept that they belong to America (America the continent, not America the USA), but instead they see themselves as an extension of Africa.
Well, here she is and this is the actual program. It is in Spanish, its mostly focused on the DR. She has a very strong interests in the Afro aspect of Dominican culture (she first went to Haiti and then to the DR, for some reason that tends to be a theme with people like that; I see her as the Spanish version of Mountainannie lol. By the way, where is Mountainannie?). But in the interview she gives her opinion about Haiti, not just as some outsider but someone that spent a lot of time in Haiti and studying/getting to know Haiti from the inside. She also spent many years in French Africa and know the important role that Haitian intellectuals have in Africa overall. She even mentions a few things that even I was not aware of. She seems to imply that Haiti is the birth center of Pan-Africanism.
Anyway, a very interesting interview although I don't agree with everything she says about the DR (she doesn't say anything negative, just not what I would say regarding the topic).
Ah yes, almost forgot to say that she also believes that one of the biggest obstacles to Haiti's development is the inherent rejection that Haitian society has for its diaspora population. It seems that once a Haitian leaves Haiti, the Haitians that never left never forgive them for 'turning their backs on their homeland.' I don't know how extensive that is, but it does clicks knowing very well that Haitian authorities at the border with the DR claimed that any illegal Haitian that crossed into the DR without Haitian identity papers is not Haitian, hence the DR can't deport them back to Haiti.
The video is in Spanish and with no subtitles.
[video=youtube;3AdGu3VfFKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AdGu3VfFKU[/video]
Like I previously said in my other post, I would not be surprised if Haiti's attempt to join the African Union was impulsed by that segment of Haiti's political/intellectual class that feels uncomfortable with the fact that Haiti is in America and not in Africa.
Well, here she is and this is the actual program. It is in Spanish, its mostly focused on the DR. She has a very strong interests in the Afro aspect of Dominican culture (she first went to Haiti and then to the DR, for some reason that tends to be a theme with people like that; I see her as the Spanish version of Mountainannie lol. By the way, where is Mountainannie?). But in the interview she gives her opinion about Haiti, not just as some outsider but someone that spent a lot of time in Haiti and studying/getting to know Haiti from the inside. She also spent many years in French Africa and know the important role that Haitian intellectuals have in Africa overall. She even mentions a few things that even I was not aware of. She seems to imply that Haiti is the birth center of Pan-Africanism.
Anyway, a very interesting interview although I don't agree with everything she says about the DR (she doesn't say anything negative, just not what I would say regarding the topic).
Ah yes, almost forgot to say that she also believes that one of the biggest obstacles to Haiti's development is the inherent rejection that Haitian society has for its diaspora population. It seems that once a Haitian leaves Haiti, the Haitians that never left never forgive them for 'turning their backs on their homeland.' I don't know how extensive that is, but it does clicks knowing very well that Haitian authorities at the border with the DR claimed that any illegal Haitian that crossed into the DR without Haitian identity papers is not Haitian, hence the DR can't deport them back to Haiti.
The video is in Spanish and with no subtitles.
[video=youtube;3AdGu3VfFKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AdGu3VfFKU[/video]
Like I previously said in my other post, I would not be surprised if Haiti's attempt to join the African Union was impulsed by that segment of Haiti's political/intellectual class that feels uncomfortable with the fact that Haiti is in America and not in Africa.
everyone shares a little blame.
There are half a dozen regional organizations in the Americans. Joining the African Union may strength cultural ties and offer more tourism exposure. I agree on that benefit. It not clear if the largest organizations really provide a return on investment, benefiting the population of all individual countries. Joining and maintain membership usually cost money, money from the population. It usually adds a bureaucratic job with little resources to achieve concrete goals.
I doubt all Haitians alienate their diaspora, because if is the source of remittance to the homeland. Obviously, more people of Haitian decent should contribute either money, education resources, modern skill sets and technical assistance to move the country from a welfare state model to a stable operational model. I have interacted with some Haitians in the USA. I was shocked to hear them express a personal detachment from the island. ?I hope it gets better there, but I am not going back for anything.?
I was happy to meet a Haitian man from the USA in the medical profession sponsoring a school in Haiti. I met him during a trip to Haiti. His expatriate Haitian community supports a school in a rural area, in Haiti.
I imagine if people from outside of Haiti would contribute to a conversation with the population of empowerment, modern education and an unified plan, things may improve faster on that side of the island. It appears the world outside of Haiti is just of dysfunctional with nation building as Haiti is at pretending to have a government.
There are half a dozen regional organizations in the Americans. Joining the African Union may strength cultural ties and offer more tourism exposure. I agree on that benefit. It not clear if the largest organizations really provide a return on investment, benefiting the population of all individual countries. Joining and maintain membership usually cost money, money from the population. It usually adds a bureaucratic job with little resources to achieve concrete goals.
I doubt all Haitians alienate their diaspora, because if is the source of remittance to the homeland. Obviously, more people of Haitian decent should contribute either money, education resources, modern skill sets and technical assistance to move the country from a welfare state model to a stable operational model. I have interacted with some Haitians in the USA. I was shocked to hear them express a personal detachment from the island. ?I hope it gets better there, but I am not going back for anything.?
I was happy to meet a Haitian man from the USA in the medical profession sponsoring a school in Haiti. I met him during a trip to Haiti. His expatriate Haitian community supports a school in a rural area, in Haiti.
I imagine if people from outside of Haiti would contribute to a conversation with the population of empowerment, modern education and an unified plan, things may improve faster on that side of the island. It appears the world outside of Haiti is just of dysfunctional with nation building as Haiti is at pretending to have a government.
LOL...they are DENIED visa free travel by their Hypocritical CARICOM "friends" also which are "closer" so i don't think so...
and some of that Money will have to go to DR as well, we were SQUEEZED for 22 years to fulfill those payments...
LOL...Haiti has not descended into full CANNIBALISM precisely because the DR exists, there is NO COUNTRY on the face of this planet that has done more and that CONTINUES to do Haiti than the DR, show some gratitude would ya?
Due to the negative stereotype of the Continent called Africa. It is difficult for an average Dominican to ponder that this ambiguous place is the fastest growing economy in the trillion where approximately home to 54 countries that is far multicultural than the DR and home to multiple languages.
It is our perogative if we Haitians decide to join the AU for obvious reasons the major one is economical which can open many new investment and businesses in our country. Also we Haitians need to find other business to slowly eradicate Dominican investors from becoming filthy rich off Haiti which average Dominicans forget we are their second clients who purchase their products even the expired mierd@. Haiti's destiny is for Haitians to decide and also prevent the influx of our citizens into Dominican territory.
There are many countries in Africa that are better off than the DR. Haitians need to do business with people whom respect them which the average Dominican doesn't . Two different cultures and ideology that share the same island. A better Haiti is less $$$ for Dominican investors on the island
It is our perogative if we Haitians decide to join the AU for obvious reasons the major one is economical which can open many new investment and businesses in our country. Also we Haitians need to find other business to slowly eradicate Dominican investors from becoming filthy rich off Haiti which average Dominicans forget we are their second clients who purchase their products even the expired mierd@. Haiti's destiny is for Haitians to decide and also prevent the influx of our citizens into Dominican territory.
There are many countries in Africa that are better off than the DR. Haitians need to do business with people whom respect them which the average Dominican doesn't . Two different cultures and ideology that share the same island. A better Haiti is less $$$ for Dominican investors on the island
And who is stoping you to join any other countries or do whatever you want business wise, Dominicans, I do not think so. Take responsability for your @$!#& up country or maybe we the french should take it back and sent you all back to Africa.
PKaide1,
Where did I mention Dominicans stopping Haiti. Reading comprehension is fundamental in order to have dialogue. A Frenchman talking about responsibility? Maybe if your country cease to rape West Africa economically and her resources it would have been far more prosperous awhile ago. The scheme of French treasury to financially enslave 14 countries disguised as the Franc CFA.
You the French people need to focus on the deprecate state of your country whom can't provide security to the fans wanting to enjoy the Euro Cup. Can you imagine if this savagery behaviour occurred during the African Cup? The western media would use so many derogatory words to plummet Africa.
Just to clarify Dominicans are not culprit and have every right to implement their immigration laws. Haiti and DR must continue to have bilateral agreement and work closely to allow both countries to prosper separately. The earthquake demonstrated the good hearted Dominicans who help by action not by pledges like the majority of western developed countries.
As a French man you should be ashamed for spewing non sense but who am I am kidding you speak as if your country has clout in the Americas. When will your country make amends with the African genocide and famine it has created. At least the USA has moved forward can we say that the country that champions " droit de l'homme".
In conclusion, It is not a bad idea if Haiti build relations with the African continent and others.
Where did I mention Dominicans stopping Haiti. Reading comprehension is fundamental in order to have dialogue. A Frenchman talking about responsibility? Maybe if your country cease to rape West Africa economically and her resources it would have been far more prosperous awhile ago. The scheme of French treasury to financially enslave 14 countries disguised as the Franc CFA.
You the French people need to focus on the deprecate state of your country whom can't provide security to the fans wanting to enjoy the Euro Cup. Can you imagine if this savagery behaviour occurred during the African Cup? The western media would use so many derogatory words to plummet Africa.
Just to clarify Dominicans are not culprit and have every right to implement their immigration laws. Haiti and DR must continue to have bilateral agreement and work closely to allow both countries to prosper separately. The earthquake demonstrated the good hearted Dominicans who help by action not by pledges like the majority of western developed countries.
As a French man you should be ashamed for spewing non sense but who am I am kidding you speak as if your country has clout in the Americas. When will your country make amends with the African genocide and famine it has created. At least the USA has moved forward can we say that the country that champions " droit de l'homme".
In conclusion, It is not a bad idea if Haiti build relations with the African continent and others.
Nals,
Please refrain from assuming what Haitians are thinking. We Haitians the second independent country in the Americas. Saying that we feel uncomfortable demonstrates your lack of knowledge of Haiti, the Haitian people and our culture. All these years researching and reading articles you still don't understand nothing regarding Haiti.
In general we aren't hung up on anything from Africa albeit due to brainwash and western conditioning every African descendant including its mixed population in this hemisphere have a negative opinion of the continent that is the birthplace of civilization and abundance of raw material. Even Africans have a misconception of their own continent.
Again this is an economic opportunity for Haiti and potential opening the doors for sincere investors that will help rebuild Haiti. Many countries in Africa have paid the French taxpayers tax in France far too long which have given the French people the luxury of becoming the master of diatribes better known as "la philosophie". The tide is slowly changing for the better for Africa economically and if Haiti and other countries in the Americas can benefit from this boom, why not? Haiti will not cease trade with the DR. Better cooperation of the two countries is eminent for the Haitian and Dominican people. Thinking otherwise is not realistic. A better Haiti means less Haitians encroaching on your territory
Please refrain from assuming what Haitians are thinking. We Haitians the second independent country in the Americas. Saying that we feel uncomfortable demonstrates your lack of knowledge of Haiti, the Haitian people and our culture. All these years researching and reading articles you still don't understand nothing regarding Haiti.
In general we aren't hung up on anything from Africa albeit due to brainwash and western conditioning every African descendant including its mixed population in this hemisphere have a negative opinion of the continent that is the birthplace of civilization and abundance of raw material. Even Africans have a misconception of their own continent.
Again this is an economic opportunity for Haiti and potential opening the doors for sincere investors that will help rebuild Haiti. Many countries in Africa have paid the French taxpayers tax in France far too long which have given the French people the luxury of becoming the master of diatribes better known as "la philosophie". The tide is slowly changing for the better for Africa economically and if Haiti and other countries in the Americas can benefit from this boom, why not? Haiti will not cease trade with the DR. Better cooperation of the two countries is eminent for the Haitian and Dominican people. Thinking otherwise is not realistic. A better Haiti means less Haitians encroaching on your territory
So what are they doing? Partial CANNIBALISM?
Business relationships between the two countries exist because they are mutually beneficial, therefore: Gratitude Denied
As for Haiti joining the AU, they will continue as an Observing Member but full membership has been denied and won't come up again for several more years. If and when Haiti's economic future shows signs of life their case for membership will be stronger. More than any other factor, forward thinking, inspirational leadership will be required to pull this off. It has happened in Africa and it can happen in Haiti.
Last person to try to sell that wolf ticket was Napoleon and we see how that turned out.
That was an accurately stated perception. It would be refreshing to directly observe an improved quality of life for the poorest segment of the Haitian population. I guess we will see after 12 months, 24 months and 5 years how this develops.
You are right! if you doubt that for a second I suggest that you leave petion ville and spend a day or two on the tent city, specially on the nights....I am not talking about BUSSINES, showing up to a hospital out no where to deliver a baby FOR FREE is not business, Demanding legal rights that you are not entitled to is Not business, showing up to educate yourself FOR FREE on the schools I pay is NOT business to me, so you and your kind show be eternally GRATEFUL that DR exist, there should be a MONUMENT on port au Prince recognizing that, we are THE ONE country on this planet that has always, despite ungrateful like you, turned the back on you yet receiving the worse that can offer.
This is a really interesting question to which there is no definitive answer. If you ask the World Bank or the IMF they'll tell you that the Dominican Republic is in the mid 80's behind countries like Gabon, Botswana, Equatorial Guinea, Mauritius and Seychelles by rank using GDP_PP as a measuring stick but leaving out the important stuff like income and wealth distribution, crime, health, education, longevity, traffic, pollution and other standard of living metrics.
It's more sensible to compare countries using multiple factors:
http://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-li...sp?country1=Dominican+Republic&country2=Kenya
The problem with this is that the information isn't from official sources, just folks (mostly ex-pat's) living and traveling to these countries.
"you and your kind"?
Do you realize that you're talking to a native born American who can trace his family tree to a time before either John Smith or Miles Standish made these shores?
I assume that you also have pre-Columbus lineage in the New World so I guess that makes you "my kind". I am merely suggesting that we all be the best neighbors that we can be.