hurricane season 2017

[jimbobo]

Varadero resorts

I guess the varadero resorts in cuba are being whiped off the face of the earth right now? I hope they got everybody out of there in time, because they were thinking untill yesterday that it would not hit varadero.... I guess cuba is not a resort tourist destination as of now....

 

[jd426]

that is completely agreed on.
every population around the globe has it's high percentage of stu's.
hence the governments are obliged to take the right decisions for their undereducated people to stay alife and safe.
if necessary break every constitutional right of theirs and force them out of home, but keep 'em safe.
what is it worth to use gunpower on foreign soil to keep the ones at home safe,
when you do not act accordingly to keep 'em safe from dangers present back home?
time to hit the road again, should be back in 90 or so.
keep your eyes on the hourly updates of the NHC.
they have constant updates form the Hunters,
what they show every hour is a "Live coverage" of the Storm's movement.
those shown tracks for the next hours never been as precise as they are on Irma, sadly.

Mike

I dont even have WORDS, for what you just Typed here ..

but TRUST me , you would NOT want to hear them if I even started ..

I want to literally puke right now ..

 

[windeguy]

makes sense of course.
costs for such things are immense,
but 1st world countries blow zillions per year for crap, they could spend it on such without a problem.

Mike

I don't want my tax dollars to be spent on stupid people. It's that simple. They have a right to risk their own lives if they wish to do so.

(People in the US obviously think different than other places where they rely totally on the government to make decisions for themselves.)

 

[MikeFisher]

I guess the varadero resorts in cuba are being whiped off the face of the earth right now? I hope they got everybody out of there in time, because they were thinking untill yesterday that it would not hit varadero.... I guess cuba is not a resort tourist destination as of now....

didn't follow Cuban news,
but there is no better prepared and better evacuations running country at caribbean and atlantic waters than Cuba.
they always been the best prepared in the past, i hope nothing changed.

Irma 5PM Update.
the Storm is Turning now and bringing itself into the final Heading.
the Tracking Updates of the 6PM and 7PM will show the heading til TouchDown.

Not so good view on Jose:
the Models stick to their prior prognostics(I did not take that for real, but they stay constant and united)
that Jose will do a right turn on Tuesday afternoon.
such Turn been awaited, and is typical when they are out there over the uninhabited wide Atlantic Graveyard.
but on the firther outlook the models show Jose after the Tuirn to keep a Southward Heading and to be still on Hurricane strength.
a Southward heading Tuesday afternoon would be a Tracking towards the Mona Passage,
so we will not stop to monito it with one eye, as you never know what such thing is up to til they are officially "dead".

Mike

 

[MikeFisher]

I dont even have WORDS, for what you just Typed here ..

but TRUST me , you would NOT want to hear them if I even started ..

I want to literally puke right now ..

it is def a american thingy.
what is a constitution worth if it does not protect/bring their own people in harms way?
but this is not the topic to discuss such, so we leave it there and stick with Irma and maybe after the weekend again with Jose.

as a far away side note,
the Disturbance S of the Cape Verde's is running under not very favorable conditions,
but shows organisation of TS Activities,
so for mid week we could see the next Storm of the Season on the Highway.
by actuial conditions and a look on the forecasted conditions on the path it should not become a quick developer, IF developing in the first place.
the good conditions from Irma's run are at this time not given anymore.

Mike

 

[MikeFisher]

I don't want my tax dollars to be spent on stupid people. It's that simple. They have a right to risk their own lives if they wish to do so.

(People in the US obviously think different than other places where they rely totally on the government to make decisions for themselves.)

yes, of course you can see it from such point of view.
again, it is a solely american point of view the rest of the free world has it's different view on things.
hence not worth to discuss.

Mike

 

[windeguy]

yes, of course you can see it from such point of view.
again, it is a solely american point of view the rest of the free world has it's different view on things.
hence not worth to discuss.

Mike

Absolutely not worth discussing. Not going to change anyone's mind in the "Land of the Free" ...

 

[cavok]

Mike... The USA is different...
they will not , cannot think like your statement...

Citizens have 'RIGHTS' and will fight to protect them.

Certainly a different attitude but one they hold dear and near.

No removal in handcuffs

Whether it's a matter of "Rights" is not important - and it really has very little to do with "Rights". The reality is, in situations like this, you are going to have people who are simply going to refuse to leave their homes. We're not talking about little towns like Cabrera, or Cabarete, or Sosua here.

In Houston there are millions of people - same in Florida. Despite how many people have you have seen evacuate - millions remain! Just how would you possibly arrest millions, or even hundreds of thousands of people people and where would you put them? And those home owners, rights or not, believe me, are going to refuse to leave and resist arrest.

How are you going to arrest and restrain those who will clearly physically resist removal from their homes? It'll tie up 3-4 a squad for each removal and a lot of time to do it.

This idea might possibly work for some small local disaster, but not for potential catastrophic disasters like we had with Katrina, Havery, and now probably Irma that affect millions of people. No, totally impossible.

 

[MikeFisher]

6PM on Irma.
Tropical Storm Conditions already present at the Keys.
...600 PM EDT POSITION UPDATE...
...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS NOW OCCURRING IN THE FLORIDA KEYS...

A National Ocean Service station in Vaca Key recently reported
sustained winds of 46 mph (74 km/h) with a gust to 59 mph
(94 km/h). Marathon recently reported sustained winds of 43 mph
(69 km/h) with a gust to 66 mph (106 km/h).

SUMMARY OF 600 PM EDT...2200 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...23.4N 80.7W
ABOUT 110 MI...175 KM SE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH...205 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 295 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...933 MB...27.55 INCHES

that will be a loooong night under harsh conditions, only rising from now on,
til a big bumm in the wee-hrs

Mike

 

[MikeFisher]

7PM on Irma.
105miles off Key West, 11hrs to a central Keys datepoint.

Hurricane Irma Tropical Cyclone Update
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL112017
700 PM EDT Sat Sep 09 2017

...700 PM EDT POSITION UPDATE...
...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS OCCURRING IN THE FLORIDA KEYS...

A NDBC C-MAN station on Molasses Reef recently reported sustained
winds of 49 mph (80 km/h) with a gust to 56 mph (91 km/h). Marathon
recently reported sustained winds of 46 mph (74 km/h) with a gust to
62 mph (100 km/h).

SUMMARY OF 700 PM EDT...2300 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...23.4N 80.8W
ABOUT 105 MI...170 KM SE OF KEY WEST FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...125 MPH...205 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...WNW OR 295 DEGREES AT 9 MPH...15 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...932 MB...27.52 INCHES

Mike

 

[windeguy]

yes, of course you can see it from such point of view.
again, it is a solely american point of view the rest of the free world has it's different view on things.
hence not worth to discuss.

Mike

I have never considered the rest of the world as being free. More of a Nanny Estate actually.

Here is why people some people are not worth the time of day:

https://qz.com/1073601/webcam-watch...heyre-engulfed-by-hurricane-irma-in-key-west/

 

[reilleyp]

yes, of course you can see it from such point of view.
again, it is a solely american point of view the rest of the free world has it's different view on things.
hence not worth to discuss.

Mike

NY, LA, SanFran and all the liberal coastal cities may feel that way, but much of the center part of the US, the "flyover States", the other 50% of the county who do not watch CNN feel quite differently and can take care of themselves and would like the government to leave them alone and stay out of their lives and businesses. Which is why some of us escape to the DR and other places.

 

[SantiagoDR]

For those ex-pats that live in or have family, friends in the States....

Excellent map showing Irma , centered on Tampa, but you can change the zip code / city.
You can actually see the names of cities on the satellite image (Until IRMA covers them)

Image is zoomable....

Irma Map Satellite Image

 

[cavok]

I have never considered the rest of the world as being free. More of a Nanny Estate actually.

Here is why people some people are not worth the time of day:

https://qz.com/1073601/webcam-watch...heyre-engulfed-by-hurricane-irma-in-key-west/

I hope they live to regret their decision to stay because regret it they will! I was there in Key West 5 days after Wilma hit. What a mess! It was mainly the storm surge that got them. This will be far worse.

 

[IslandDreaming]

NY, LA, SanFran and all the liberal coastal cities may feel that way, but much of the center part of the US, the "flyover States", the other 50% of the county who do not watch CNN feel quite differently and can take care of themselves and would like the government to leave them alone and stay out of their lives and businesses. Which is why some of us escape to the DR and other places.

Until a disaster occurs and then it's "Where were you, oh poor me"

 

[MikeFisher]

sorry for my evening absense.
been watching Kid's TV with the Princess as usual when the next day is no school day,
just that this evening i did not sleep her in, it was me who slept in while she enjoyedsome unusual late extra time, lol.

on the 11PM uodate now Irma slowed down even more, running only on 5 Knots forward speed now.
here is the 48hrs outlook of the NHC from 11 PM tonight:

DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
At 1100 PM EDT (0300 UTC), the eye of Hurricane Irma was located
near latitude 23.5 North, longitude 81.0 West. Irma is moving
slowly northwestward away from the north coast of Cuba near 6 mph
(9 km/h). A turn toward the north-northwest with an increase in
forward speed is expected through late Monday. On the forecast
track, the center of Irma is expected to cross the Lower Florida
Keys Sunday morning and then move near or along the west coast of
Florida Sunday afternoon through Monday morning. Irma should then
move inland over the Florida panhandle and southwestern Georgia
Monday afternoon.

Maximum sustained winds are near 120 mph (195 km/h) with higher
gusts. Irma is a category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Wind Scale. Irma is forecast to restrengthen a little
while it moves through the Straits of Florida and remain a powerful
hurricane as it approaches the Florida Keys and the west coast of
Florida.

Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km) from
the center, and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 205
miles (335 km).

The estimated minimum central pressure is 933 mb (27.55 inches).

Mike

 

[Natu]

Im concerned about Jose. Seeing NHC it looks like it will make a U turn and head south directly towards DR or PR.

I hope that is not the case and it makes another turn somewhere else where it doesn't cause harm to no one.

 

[Buck69]

You have a god given right if you want to stay.

 

[MikeFisher]

Im concerned about Jose. Seeing NHC it looks like it will make a U turn and head south directly towards DR or PR.

I hope that is not the case and it makes another turn somewhere else where it doesn't cause harm to no one.

that's what i mentioned this early evening or in the late afternoon, i think it was on the 5PM update.
they show that turn for Tuesday afternoon, so after the weekend we will look again on Jose, i thought that Biach was gone

Mike

 

[MikeFisher]

You have a god given right if you want to stay.

even the land of the Free have loopholes, IF they want to use 'em, what a country anyways could not do when so many people/heck, hundred of thousands?? are involved.
it would be costly and a heck of a organisational program, and it would take much more time than a Hurricane would give once the forecasts are "very sure" that a certain area will be the target.

when people try to do harm on others or themslefs, then the state could step in and decide for them.
something like taht is the wording, don't nail me on details.
for so many people involved it just goes it's way and cleans up the gene-pool as someone(WW?) stated before, lol.

Mike