In defense of Barrios and Barrio girls

[monster]

Barrio girls will always more than likely be insignificant pieces of flesh who are only good for one night. They are all superfcial brats which is odd considering their financial situation. If you take them out, they'll order an exotic dish on the menu even though they probably never ate it in their entire lives yet order it they do. When I wear designer clothing they drool and ask me where I got it. When I drive in my nicely appointed SUV, they stare like the mindless idiots that they are. Most of them are tigeres just
like their chopo male counterparts and would probably even set you up somewhere in a road so her tigere friends can rob you. Why any respectable man would even venture out into the slums of the city is beyond me. If you like these type of "pure" Dominican girls, visit laid back campo towns like San Jose De Las Matas, Janico, Moca, Sabana Iglesia, etc. Don't go out to Los Cireulitos, Buenos Aires, etc. You'll probably get shot and robbed by the unemployed chopos.

AMEN

I was kinda surprise that many middle age white men are actually interested in these ghetto chopas. I'm a 23 year old Dominican male and I would never think to ever married such a girl. Not that I have anything against barrio people because I'm not rich by a long shot, but like you said these barrio chopas are such superfcial brats. They usually only want to pull a fast one on a nice decent guy with some money. Funny thing is that everytime I go to DR I always have the chance to bang these types of girls and I never take them up on their offer cause they disgust me, even if they're very beautiful. I just cant associated myself with people like that.

Disclaimer: BTW I am not referring to all barrio girls, cause there is also many decent barrios in DR.

 

[monster]

BTW I think Onions and Carrots is a closet racist. The way he thinks reminds me of Trujillo.

 

[Ricardo900]

Ah, ah, ah--careful, careful. My argument was that some Dominicans tend to use circular reasoning to explain social stratification based on color within the society, without failing to acknowledge historical legacy on the island (i.e., slavery for one)--my post should still be there for you to re-read, in its entirety.

But by not "getting into the sociological reasons for poverty" you INSINUATE that race and poverty/crime is inexorably linked--and that my friend is just pure ignorance.

Why bother debating with him?
Reading his racial based posts shows his lack of maturity and respect for others, and his reference to Hitler, is a direct slap in the face to all Jewish people.

If that makes me a racist, then so be it. HEIL HITLER!!

What kind of person openly shows his racist beliefs on a public board?? He says he is Dominican and you guys have my condolences.
His rants are disturbing and I previously had contempt for his negative racial views, but now I just pity him. He's real sad and its depressing to go thru life with mental anguish. I strongly believe that he was physically and most likely sexually abused by a black man possibly during his youth, which will explain his contempt for the race as a whole. I think somebody hurt him or his family when he was young and he is angry, poor boy.

 

[Tamborista]

Is this Onions/Garlic The Grand Duke for The Dominican Klan?

 

[easygoin]

Don't even

Why bother debating with him?
Reading his racial based posts shows his lack of maturity and respect for others, and his reference to Hitler, is a direct slap in the face to all Jewish people.
What kind of person openly shows his racist beliefs on a public board?? He says he is Dominican and you guys have my condolences.
His rants are disturbing and I previously had contempt for his negative racial views, but now I just pity him. He's real sad and its depressing to go thru life with mental anguish. I strongly believe that he was physically and most likely sexually abused by a black man possibly during his youth, which will explain his contempt for the race as a whole. I think somebody hurt him or his family when he was young and he is angry, poor boy.

Put yourself..... in the league of individuals that cannot even pour your coffee in the morning.

 

[Exxtol]

Err what are you talking about??????????

If you're a black american you'll feel happy to know how they cherish Africa there. They don't ignore the historical legacy of the island. I remember this black dominican child from San Pedro telling me that there are no white dominicans. He insisted they are all moreno and negro. I just smiled at the limpiabota.

La Romana, Boca Chica, Hato Mayor and most of the East is in sync with this mentality. I'm not criticizing it. I guess to be honest I don't feel totally comfortable in the presence of so many black people. If that makes me a racist, then so be it. HEIL HITLER!!

Seriously though, I don't feel the comfort that I feel when I am in the cibao. There are so many of us cibaenos who would live to split the DR into 2. Myself I have entertained the idea of a Republica del Cibao.


Honestly, I want to keep the eurocentric Spanish model alive and well in the DR. Any move towards an African model would displease me greatly. Of course, I hate any notion of slavery/servitude. I look out for the little guy. I don't like it when I hear despictive things said about other groups but I do have my biases.

You know you've won a "debate" when the person you're debating with begins to spew off a bunch of nonsense that had absolutely nothing to do with what has been said. Good night OC , and buena suerte with that republic of yours .

 

[AZB]

Don't go out to Los Cireulitos, Buenos Aires, etc. You'll probably get shot and robbed by the unemployed chopos.

If you do pick up a street girl from Los Cireulitos (santiago) take a better look at her brothers, she maybe a transvestite. yes sir, Los Cireulitos is full of transvestites, in fact, one got shot by a tigre when he realized he was kissing a fag.
Once again I agree with senor jimenez, the best girls are in sajoma, moca etc. Why go to a dangerous barrio to look for trouble? the good girls from the barrio will not get into a stranger's cars so naturally you will meet only trash.
AZB

 

[Onions/Carrots]

Closet racist

BTW I think Onions and Carrots is a closet racist. The way he thinks reminds me of Trujillo.

What gives you the impression that I am a closet racist?

Tamborista, I went back to that post but I don't see any way of removing that reference. Let Rob know you want it removed.

Exxtol, you'd be happy to know that my views are the in the mainstream in the DR. At least I'm honest enough to let you know the way I think. That doesn't mean I wouldn't sit down with you over a cup of tea and have an amicable conversation.

 

[Tamborista]

Onion Boy:

You can PM Rob and tell him to remove your reference to Hitler.
You posted it, now you REMOVE it.

I am NOT kidding.

 

[Onions/Carrots]

I pm'ed Robert. I'm sure he'll do it at his earliest convenience. I'm sorry for the distress it caused you. My condolences. To the other ones here, I am sorry for this racially charged xenophobic viewpoint. If Rob wants he can take this entire thread and throw it into the garbage pail. I have no objection to it.

Sincerely,

O&C

P.S. The references to Trujillo and Hitler are not an appeal to the evil atrocities they committed. Many in the DR may or may not want to admit to it, but under Trujillo there was order in the DR. Most yearn for a return to those days of order.

There wasn't the economic free for all there is now. The rampant crime didn't exist. Criminality wasn't tolerated and was dealt with expeditiously. Summary executions of thugs with no appeal to courts or lengthy judicial reviews was the norm. Laziness wasn't allowed either. It was a productive society.

Did it have its excesses. YES, it surely did. Trujillo killed political opponents at will. Many innocent victims also felt his blade. Especially towards the end, his megalomania reverberated with more resonance. His bloodthirst was never satiated. Like Trujillo, Hitler created order in Germany. He eliminaetd the poverty they had. So for this speedy reversal of ill fortunes, many admired Hitler. My grandfather still has admiration for the Fuhrer. Obviously though the Final Solution was an unspeakable horror which has no way of being expressed in words.

Even though this occurred, many yearn for someone like him. In a recent poll shown here on DR1 news, a majority of dominicans want a return to a mano dura. Dominicans in general don't have a tolerance for criminals or sympathy for thugs. Seeing that democracy has failed to secure even the most basic functions of a livable society in the DR, many yearn for a new dictator to take the reigns of this runaway carriage.

I can personally assure that many in DR society be it the poor or the extreme wealthy share this viewpoint. Dominicans in general are conservative and want this to end. Corruption is endemic with a weak President. He is a nice fellow but dominicans aren't ready for his American style politics. He has been unable to fulfill the basic guarantees he sought to establish.

President Bush once said and its true. Dictators get things done quickly. The masses at times are willing to sacrifice certain rights in order to get these things done.

 

[Se?or_Jimenez]

Anyone who lives in the Dominican Republic KNOWS just how racist we Dominicans are. Its daily standard talk (Mira ese mono como va). Obviously the politically correct North American liberals come here and don't integrate themselves in our culture thus Dominicans are "racist," "superficial," "arrogant," etc. Of course we are. We're the oldest city in the new world and we can trace our heritage to Colombus. We had a genocide on the Tainos and we could care less. We HATE the Haitians and haven't conquered the land because its a worthless arid desert. Everyday Haitians are intimidated, robbed, smacked, cursed at, etc. Do you see this on the news everyday? Do you care to see it on the news everyday?

The reason why mostly everyone in the foreign world hates you North Americans is because you people love to travel, yet hate to assimilate and learn the culture. You relate everything to your customs and your customs only. Anything else that comes from a foreign source is immeadiately labled as some negative social stigma.

The truth of the matter is that if you really want a genuwine Dominican girl, drive through small campo towns like the ones I mentioned. YOu will meet real down to earth dominicans as well as non-chopas and these are the type of women you want to have in your little black book. Or books If you need cooking done, they will do it. If you need fruits they'll get it fresh from their father's conuco. If you need clothes wash, they'll wash. And when you need someone next to you at night, well you know...

 

[miguel]

Ay mama me estoy mojando!

Anyone who lives in the Dominican Republic KNOWS just how racist we Dominicans are. Its daily standard talk (Mira ese mono como va). Obviously the politically correct North American liberals come here and don't integrate themselves in our culture thus Dominicans are "racist," "superficial," "arrogant," etc. Of course we are. We're the oldest city in the new world and we can trace our heritage to Colombus. We had a genocide on the Tainos and we could care less. We HATE the Haitians and haven't conquered the land because its a worthless arid desert. Everyday Haitians are intimidated, robbed, smacked, cursed at, etc. Do you see this on the news everyday? Do you care to see it on the news everyday?

The reason why mostly everyone in the foreign world hates you North Americans is because you people love to travel, yet hate to assimilate and learn the culture. You relate everything to your customs and your customs only. Anything else that comes from a foreign source is immeadiately labled as some negative social stigma.

The truth of the matter is that if you really want a genuwine Dominican girl, drive through small campo towns like the ones I mentioned. YOu will meet real down to earth dominicans as well as non-chopas and these are the type of women you want to have in your little black book. Or books If you need cooking done, they will do it. If you need fruits they'll get it fresh from their father's conuco. If you need clothes wash, they'll wash. And when you need someone next to you at night, well you know...

/QUOTE]After readling your blah blah, I have one VERYYYY important question for you:

WHAT IN HELL IS A "genuwine"?. Hahahahahahahaha.

 

[M.A.R.]

Barrio girls will always more than likely be insignificant pieces of flesh who are only good for one night. They are all superfcial brats which is odd considering their financial situation. If you take them out, they'll order an exotic dish on the menu even though they probably never ate it in their entire lives yet order it they do. When I wear designer clothing they drool and ask me where I got it. When I drive in my nicely appointed SUV, they stare like the mindless idiots that they are. Most of them are tigeres just
like their chopo male counterparts and would probably even set you up somewhere in a road so her tigere friends can rob you. Why any respectable man would even venture out into the slums of the city is beyond me. If you like these type of "pure" Dominican girls, visit laid back campo towns like San Jose De Las Matas, Janico, Moca, Sabana Iglesia, etc. Don't go out to Los Cireulitos, Buenos Aires, etc. You'll probably get shot and robbed by the unemployed chopos.

Let them visit the slums of the city, don't suggest these people go to the nice campos where the good girls are, unless they have good intentions. Some of you guys think you know everything, O&C your comment about Hitler was uncalled for, it shows how insensitive you are. Miguel like u said so many times you don't have a life, you're right.

 

[Ricardo900]

Did it have its excesses. YES, it surely did. Trujillo killed political opponents at will. Many innocent victims also felt his blade. Especially towards the end, his megalomania reverberated with more resonance. His bloodthirst was never satiated. Like Trujillo, Hitler created order in Germany. He eliminaetd the poverty they had. So for this speedy reversal of ill fortunes, many admired Hitler. My grandfather still has admiration for the Fuhrer. Obviously though the Final Solution was an unspeakable horror which has no way of being expressed in words.

The Fuhrer?????
You are one scary individual to show your public admiration for Hitler and justifying his actions.

 

[M.A.R.]

quote from Onions & Carrots
"Seriously though, I don't feel the comfort that I feel when I am in the cibao. There are so many of us cibaenos who would live to split the DR into 2. Myself I have entertained the idea of a Republica del Cibao. "


What the heck is this????????? I'm cibaena and I've never heard of such a thing, ever!!! Our beautiful island is made up of this beautiful mix of people and this is what it is, and its gonna be, so stop stressing about this, relax and enjoy your life without so much hate, there is not room in the DR for your kind of people, please!!!!.

 

[miguel]

Indeed!

Miguel like u said so many times you don't have a life, you're right.

I know that I am right. What's your point?.

Btw, when you are out there looking for yours, would you mind looking for mine also. You see, while I was "out" looking for it, all I could find was this site, that in many cases, have people like you, also without one. So, as a compadre/comadre without one, would you help this lifeless prick?.

Btw 2, if you have any smarts in you, you will find out that replying to O/C is like sticking a hot pin up your butt. Actually, I rather make the pin my butt's bestfriend!. LOL.

 

[chuckuindy]

Since so many negative things have been said about barrio, barrio girls and that life in general here are some very positive things to say.

Theirs is something to be said about barrio life in the DR. There is life. People know each other. Neighbors converse with each other. It's alive with humanity. As for barrio girls, here is my response to AZB.

As there are many girls who are playing out their foreign gf there are also many who are so madly in love that they will not even walk out the front door for fear of having anyone say a pisca of something negative about them. They put the Taliban women to shame. I personally of girls who will go out of the house only accompanied by an older family member as if this were Pakistan. Their husbands are either Domyorks or Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, Scandinavian origins and are well assured of what they have. I know personally of such girls.

O&C, before this thread turned into a race thing, your comments above are well put. I have been with all classes of Dominican women, from the elite rich to the poorest barrio punta. Each possessed qualities in their own right; however, other than education and life experiences I find little difference.

We as humans are mostly products of our environment. Our morals and values are set at a young age and very few people have life altering experiences that will change what we have been taught or experienced. Like all other humans the need to survive and hope of bettering ourselves drives all of the Dominicans I have ever met. Even the UBH in Boca Chica has her redeeming qualities.

We all have racial opinions most of which are never ours but are those of others we learn from. What I have found out over the years is that rich or poor, black or white people are more alike than more different. Where relationships get really screwed up is we expect too much. My life is so much simpler now that I expect nothing from anybody, because with out expectations there is no disappointment, only blessings.

Chuckuindy

 

[Sholly24]

Anyone who lives in the Dominican Republic KNOWS just how racist we Dominicans are. Its daily standard talk (Mira ese mono como va). Obviously the politically correct North American liberals come here and don't integrate themselves in our culture thus Dominicans are "racist," "superficial," "arrogant," etc. Of course we are. We're the oldest city in the new world and we can trace our heritage to Colombus. We had a genocide on the Tainos and we could care less. We HATE the Haitians and haven't conquered the land because its a worthless arid desert. Everyday Haitians are intimidated, robbed, smacked, cursed at, etc. Do you see this on the news everyday? Do you care to see it on the news everyday?

The reason why mostly everyone in the foreign world hates you North Americans is because you people love to travel, yet hate to assimilate and learn the culture. You relate everything to your customs and your customs only. Anything else that comes from a foreign source is immeadiately labled as some negative social stigma.

It is interesting that the DR is now a regional conquerer. So the DR can conquer Haiti?. With what?. I really would like to see that happen. If your country was that great, I am a bit at a loss as to why the people are endangering their lives and running away in boats to Puerto Rico. Tracing your heritage to Columbus. So what?. Tell me what that means and I might just add about .002% to your obviously very low IQ. You need all the increase in IQ that you can get especially when you use words like ' mostly everyone in the foreign world hates you north americans......'. Obviously you have conducted a poll to support your statement, or it is just an ignorant ranting like the rest of your comments

Obviously you seem to have a dislike for americans. Yes we americans may seem to be fixed in our own world but I have travelled round the world and in my opinion, we are the most open society and the most open people in the world. We are also the most powerful country in the world and we can back up whatever we say with our actions. Recently a rally was held by illegal immigrants on their desire (or demand as some people see it) to become legal Americans. Can Haitians in the DR do the same?. Can illegal people in whatever country in the world do that?. It is only possible in America because of who we are and what are society is about with regards to fairness.

It is easy to stereotype people and we see the dominicans in NY city (Wash Heights etc). I could stereotype dominicans based on what I see there. You really would not like to hear my thoughts. We may also say that Dominicans in NY are not real dominicans but I have been to the DR several times and even I could write some general facts that you really would not like to read about dominicans. Yes, these are facts that we see everyday.

My advise to you is that you need to stop taking ignorant cheap shots and writing stuff that you know nothing about.

 

[Sholly24]

Did it have its excesses. YES, it surely did. Trujillo killed political opponents at will. Many innocent victims also felt his blade. Especially towards the end, his megalomania reverberated with more resonance. His bloodthirst was never satiated. Like Trujillo, Hitler created order in Germany. He eliminaetd the poverty they had. So for this speedy reversal of ill fortunes, many admired Hitler. My grandfather still has admiration for the Fuhrer. Obviously though the Final Solution was an unspeakable horror which has no way of being expressed in words.

I have to confess that atimes, I read about some men writing some demeaning statements about women and I cringe but this is the most useless statement that I have ever read on this forum. Even germans are ashamed of Hitler and are ashamed of praising him like this. Obviously you do not know about Hitler's hatred for handicapped people, gays, gypsies, blacks, mulattos practically anyone that is not white. I am white, white and I cannot even praise him. I am guessing that you are dominican white and I have news for you. Hitler does not consider you to be white. If Hitler was alive today, I would be alive also and guess where you would be.

I have read some of the other useless statements that you have written here and obviously you are entitled to your hate views. But the fact is the whole world know knows where such opinions can lead us to and we do not want to see that happen again.

You really are full of yourself eventhough you are a nobody

 

[jackquontee]

Senor_Jimenez, with all due respect, do you not see the inherent contradictions within your own comments? You complain and, to some degree, rightly so, that;

Obviously the politically correct North American liberals come here and don't integrate themselves in our culture;

and go on further to state that;

The reason why mostly everyone in the foreign world hates you North Americans is because you people love to travel, yet hate to assimilate and learn the culture. You relate everything to your customs and your customs only. Anything else that comes from a foreign source is immeadiately labled as some negative social stigma.

But then you go on to say:

We had a genocide on the Tainos and we could care less.

You seem to think it's fine that the Spanish chose genocide over assimilation, but complain that the Americans have chosen neither when it comes to their presence in the DR.

You further state that;

we can trace our heritage to Colombus.

I will readily admit that I have quite a bit to learn about the history of that island and its people. But, based upon the bit that I have learned, my understanding is that Dominicans can be a descendant of Spanish, African, or Tainos, which I believe are generally referred to as being the native population, or any combination of the three. If this is so, why is it that you've chosen to conveniently leave out the other two groups? I don't believe that, had the Spanish chosen the route of assimilation that you so highly regard, there would be such a heavy Spanish influence on the island. It would be Taino instead.

If I am wrong regarding that last comment, would someone please correct me so that I can learn. The one thing I can't stand is to sound ignorant when I am engaged in discussion.