It's the world's fault

[Manuel01]

I think you missed why I posted this. I was responding to Manuel01posting "he feels anger and pure hate" for a Haitian woman due to her begging with her children while pregnant. Hate is a strong word/feeling to use. I am not saying the situation is right but hating someone because of their circumstances/choices does nothing. Hard to say you hate someone for doing what may be their only choice in order to feed their children by any means. Or hating someone because they are not educated enough to know how to take responsibility for their actions.

I tried for a few minutes to swallow it but i just can't !
Here we go again. To be honest i have been waiting for it the whole time: "not educated enough to know how to take responsibility" REALLY ???
They started with this stupid statement over 50 years ago and people keep repeating it without even questioning it.
What University Degree you need to have to know that children need Food, shelter etc.
Most of the Animals on Earth don't breed if the circumstances are not right.
Why on Earth does everybody needs to be a victim of something today !? I f... up a million times in my Life sometimes with none but sometimes with huge consequences and believe me it was always my fault. Only a selfish Haitian Breeding Machine must be the victim of her environment or education. Did you ever bother to ask any of them why they have so many children ??? I did and 99% of them replied following: If i am old, who is going to take care of me ??? They intentionally raise a bunch of Kids in Poverty (some of them usually die on the way) with the hope that some of them make it and support them later when they are old. This Action or way of thinking should not be defended.
BTW, to be honest, got the same answer also from a lot of Dom. Women.

 

[keepcoming]

Manuel obviously you have strong feelings about this. All I am saying for me, I can't understand having hate toward someone when I have never walked in their shoes, their life. As far as having numerous children, I think people have their own reasons for it. Is it selfish, who am I to say.

 

[Jan]

Haiti - FLASH : A Dominican bill targets Haitian graduates in the DR - HaitiLibre.com : Haiti news 7/7

The Standing Committee on Foreign Relations and International Cooperation is currently examining a bill that proposes that Haitians pursuing university or technical studies in Dominican institutions...

www.haitilibre.com

I saw this in the Haitian News.

 

[CristoRey]

Haiti - FLASH : A Dominican bill targets Haitian graduates in the DR - HaitiLibre.com : Haiti news 7/7

The Standing Committee on Foreign Relations and International Cooperation is currently examining a bill that proposes that Haitians pursuing university or technical studies in Dominican institutions...

www.haitilibre.com

I saw this in the Haitian News.

Maybe some would be willing sacrifice four years of their lives in order to help lay a better foundation for future generations.

 

[AlterEgo]

Well then perhaps it's time we start thinking for them. I know forced steralization is a sensitive topic however drastic times often call for drastic measures.

I believe it should be manditory for any illegal Haitian women who gives birth in a Dominican hospital regardless of the reason. This will help to better control their explosive population growth which is mainly due to unplanned pregnancies and over time it will help to ensure there are not any repeat offenders.

People tend to get all in their feelings whenever I make this suggestion yet they never put forth any viable solutions to this problem.

I am sorry but when you have too many children to support and lack the resources necessary to raise them in a healthy environment in order for them to become productive members of society, the solution to this problem is not having more babies.

Well I’ll bet we’d see a lot less Haitian women coming to give birth if you were in charge. 😂

 

[Gadfly]

Todays NYT mini crossword

 

[reilleyp]

The billions from the international community end up in the hands of the gangs and the corrupt. Yes a benevolent dictator is needed. As far as reproduction, do you want to go over there and convince a poor horny 19 year old to either use a condom or stop being horny?

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

 

[DrNoob]

The billions from the international community end up in the hands of the gangs and the corrupt. Yes a benevolent dictator is needed. As far as reproduction, do you want to go over there and convince a poor horny 19 year old to either use a condom or stop being horny?

Why go all the way to Haiti, in DR too (not reposting the video of obvious reasons)

Un video que circula en redes muestra a una pareja de nacionalidad haitiana teniendo relaciones sexuales a plena luz del día y sobre un colchón en una calle de Santo Domingo.

El hecho ha generado rechazo y preocupación entre los ciudadanos, quienes hacen un llamado a las autoridades para tomar medidas ante este tipo de conductas que afectan la sana convivencia y el respeto al espacio público.

 

[DrNoob]

Just to be clear what I said was...."Someone, and it certainly must be a Haitian, will rise up to take back control".......................

Whether that Haitian is internal (more likely) than external..............it must be a Haitian.

If you study or look at successful revolutions/independence revolts etc., they are mostly internal. By way of example, we need look no further the DR or Haiti for that matter. Going beyond that, the Russian revolution, the French Revolution and the American Revolution are all typical internal examples.

And noting further those revolution/independence revolts festered for long periods before they took place. I have no doubt the same will be true in Haiti today.....thus my call of 2121 (hoping I am wrong, but using history as a guide gets me to that date).

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I did get what you meant. The problem, as I said, is for a strong leader to stay alive for long enough to unify and gain control over the whole country.
I am sure there will be calls against that person too for human rights violations.

 

[playacaribe2]

I did get what you meant. The problem, as I said, is for a strong leader to stay alive for long enough to unify and gain control over the whole country.
I am sure there will be calls against that person too for human rights violations.

And that strong leader is likely to be, as reillyp alluded to above, a dictator, benevolent or otherwise. Hopefully then the country can get on a more stable path, but again as history has shown, dictators are eventually removed either via the ballot box or a coup. Transitioning to some form of stable democracy can be a long and slow process.

And yes, just as Bukele has largely succeeded in El Salvador, there are loud cries from some in the international community regarding those human rights violations you mention. There are no easy or quick answers and anyone that believes there are, need only look to history.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[CristoRey]

And that strong leader is likely to be, as reillyp alluded to above, a dictator, benevolent or otherwise. Hopefully then the country can get on a more stable path, but again as history has shown, dictators are eventually removed either via the ballot box or a coup. Transitioning to some form of stable democracy can be a long and slow process.

And yes, just as Bukele has largely succeeded in El Salvador, there are loud cries from some in the international community regarding those human rights violations you mention. There are no easy or quick answers and anyone that believes there are, need only look to history.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Indeed he has.
He said it himself a few years ago.
They tried the "Western Solution" for several decades and it borought their country nothing but pain and misery so they swithed to the Salvadorian Solution which produced immediate results.
Bukele and his new system of governing El Salvador has an 80% approval rating within his country.

Short of being re-colonized Haiti will continue to be what it is, a failed state.

 

[JD Jones]

And that strong leader is likely to be, as reillyp alluded to above, a dictator, benevolent or otherwise. Hopefully then the country can get on a more stable path, but again as history has shown, dictators are eventually removed either via the ballot box or a coup. Transitioning to some form of stable democracy can be a long and slow process.

And yes, just as Bukele has largely succeeded in El Salvador, there are loud cries from some in the international community regarding those human rights violations you mention. There are no easy or quick answers and anyone that believes there are, need only look to history.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

The big thing with that is what kind of police/military presence does El Salvador have compared with Haiti?

El Salvador has 25k military (target is to double) and 12K police.

Haiti has around 1500-2000 military and 9 -13K police.

Even if the military/police were organized and trained in Haiti, Nobody is going to do a "Shock and awe" campaign there.

 

[playacaribe2]

The big thing with that is what kind of police/military presence does El Salvador have compared with Haiti?

El Salvador has 25k military (target is to double) and 12K police.

Haiti has around 1500-2000 military and 9 -13K police.

Even if the military/police were organized and trained in Haiti, Nobody is going to do a "Shock and awe" campaign there.

Exactly.

Which is why I suggest it will take until 2121, but only after a Bukele like figure emerges and takes charge and certainly not with the help of the "Western Solution" failures CristoRey points out above.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2