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Ivermectin - The cure we are looking for? Used here in the DR in a limited capacity.
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I’ve been using 500 mg 2 times a day and will be doing it for 14 days BUT it is said to use as a last resort with bacterial pneumonia if the other antibiotics were not working and I was desperate bc nothing was helping and I did not want to be stuck in the hospital here bc my nutrition is extremely important right now, eating healthier than ever and the meals in the Covid ward really did not help my wife, it almost made her worse.
So I will only go back if my oxygen saturation keeps dropping. It’s been between 88-96 in the last month. The last few days it’s been improving as my breathing as well. I’m guessing I was lucky enough to have both viral and bacterial pneumonia. Not sure if being locked in the COVID ward with my wife for 2 weeks made me worse or what but I will avoid that place as much as I can.
I forgot to say I also take probiotics and cranberry pills bc the antibiotics gave me the UTI the lung specialist and Emerg Dr gave me I am assuming. Gastro issues are a huge thing that happens with Covid as well so the probiotics are helping with that as well as my strict diet. No sugar, no salt, certain veggies and fruits, chicken and nuts and a special soup is what I eat. Around 4 litres of water a day, ginger tea and one glass of cranberry juice a day during antibiotics.
If anyone does need more help here I would suggest joining the fb support group “survivor corps”. 97,000+ people who have been suffering for months. “Long haulers” It gives you a good idea what to look out for bc most people and Dr’s really don’t understand this nasty virus.
For example many with long term illness from this never had a fever or a very low grade one for a brief period. I myself on 6 months have only had 99.3 2 times. My wife only had a fever a few times of 99.4 after she left the Covid ward.
So the temp taking is useless basically imo and people are turned away from help when they never had a fever. Covid manifests itself very differently in each person.
I wish good health for everyone and if you do get COVID I hope it is a mild!
Harley, say you got covid for the first time and do not know the things you do now. Which Puerto Plata hospital would be your destination? What other antibiotics were you taking that didn't seem to work very well?
I went to Bournigal bc we have 10 animals and can't do another 2 weeks in Santiago at HOMS that easily so I decided to go to Bournigal. Since i have been in both Hospitals for COVID, HOMS really is so much better but if you really cannot get to Santiago easily and it isn't serious I would go to Bournigal. If you have anything very serious HOMS without question. I will be going to HOMS if I have to go somewhere again with this.
The pulmonologist prescribed Azithromycin for 5 days 1 tab a day, I went back a week later and said I was a bit better but not by much so she prescribed it again for 5 days and it did not help at all and started feeling worse. I was in her office for about 7 min each time, she was clearly scared of COVID and i had to ask for everything that i knew i needed. She didn't even listen to my lungs the second time. PRESSURE THEM FOR WHAT YOU NEED! I knew she wasn't going to be of any help so just left. She and the Gastro DR were very scared that I had COVID. Both DR's went back in their chair when I told them before they saw my results etc.. At HOMS no Dr's were scared and they were more knowledgable about it.
Incredible stories, Harley. Thanks for sharing your experiences and Godspeed in your healing process.
There is a Dr. Redondoin In the DR who seems to know a lot about Ivermect and its use with covid-19. Most doctors know little about dealing with this infection, and that’s a worldwide problem. I’m sure you are aware of this link of a Dr Marek of Virginia in the US. I saw him interviewed on the You Tube channel of a Dr Been. That has tons of info ( often removed but you can go to Dr Been’s web page. The Marek link is
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The Ivermectin ( with zinc and Doxycycline) seems very promising, even as a preventative ( different dosage for that). You have to be a bit careful to not take certain drinks and foods. So no alcohol, no grapefruit.... that information is public. The dosage depends on your weight but the does mentioned on this forum seems to be the usual.
There are other options like HCQ, Azithromycin and zinc. Both the Ivermectin and HCQ cocktails are time sensitive. I don’t think they work well beyond the viral stage, at which point steroids seem helpful. So the trick is to catch it in the early phases, and that is not so clear cut. If you wait to long the virus isn’t there and antivirals don’t seem to help much at that point, as far as I know.
HCQ with zinc seems to work mainly via the zinc, because of the ionophore property of HCQ which allows zinc to get into cells. Ivermectin also is a Zinc ionophore as in Quercetin. Quercetin is nice because it’s not as hard on the system and Quercetin+ Zinc +D+C can be used fairly safely, and as a preventative. Ivermectin can also be used as a preventative, but I don’t know the dose. You’d take it once a week. Logically, that makes more sense to me since getting the virus in time might be tricky, while having Ivermectin or even Quercetin + Zinc in your system may prevent the virus from multiplying. I am not a doctor, just a retired Professor of Statistics who loves the DR and has been reading everything about this crazy thing for 6 months. The weather has been great in Toronto, but it’s now getting cooler and an trip to the DR would really be nice. Hopefully, Ivermectin will help speed up that possibility.
The HCQ cocktail comes out of Marseille, France. Dr Zalenko added zinc and modified it. Ivermectin was used in Bangladesh with zinc and Doxycycline. Quercetin uses zinc to work its magic. If someone knows of a better preventative cocktail, please let me know. The Quercetin cocktail has worked well for me ( one of my daughters is a nurse so ...), but I feel Ivermectin might just be the tool to finally deal with this virus. HCQ is virtually impossible to obtain in Canada, so it’s not as though people are being well treated up here. Seems better in the DR!
From today's edition of Dominican Today:
Group of doctors highlight results of successes in more than 6,000 patients with Covid-19 treated with the drug ivermectin.
Santo Domingo, DR
At least 6,000 Covid-19 positive patients have been treated with excellent results using the drug ivermectin, by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana.
The antiparasitic and antiviral drug, known in the market for 50 years, has been used by doctors in the country since the beginning of the epidemic to treat patients with the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes the Covid-19 disease; when the first cases began to appear and in the absence of a specific treatment.
The details were offered by Dr. José Natalio Redondo, president of the Rescue Group when he participated as a guest in “La Cita con el Covid,” which broadcasts every Monday at 9:00 pm Listindiario.com.
The advantage of Ivermectin, Redondo points out, is that it is a well-known and studied drug because it has been used for more than 30 years in humans and for around 45 years in animals, while around the world a trillion doses are given per year no side effects.
He said that the group had registered about 6,000 patients with outpatient emergency and consultation services with promising results, “and it forces us to follow the same policy of treatment and management scheme.” Redondo, who, along with a group of researchers from the Rescue Group, has been a promoter of this treatment. He said that although there are still many things that are unknown about this disease, it is undoubted that progress has been made to the point that medicines and drugs are already available, recognized, and approved procedures for the different phases of the disease.
The dose
He stressed that several studies reliably demonstrate the antiviral effect on the symptoms of the patient that has Ivermectin and that in laboratory tests, a significantly rapid reduction in viral load is noted when it is used in the early phase.
He explained that the current dose is that a person between 80 and 90 kilos should take six or seven tablets in total, administered all together or in daily doses, preferably in the early stage of symptoms. “Our group is giving it all six meetings in the emergency to Covid patients,” he said.
“We have computed more than 4,500 patients treated in the emergency with extraordinary results that are measured concerning the duration of the disease whose results are going to be published internationally,” he said. However, he recognizes that the panacea against the disease will be the vaccine.
He favored the country to continue releasing more restrictive measures, especially in places where there is less incidence of the virus that produces Covid-19.
The medicine specialist pointed out that health centers are currently receiving more patients decompensated by chronic diseases than Covid.
He said that patients with diabetes, heart, kidneys, and cancer, among other chronic diseases, were neglected and had not been attending their check-ups due to fear of the Covid.
He specified that health facilities are currently receiving patients of this type in delicate conditions, including more strokes and heart attacks.
Aftermath for years
He considered that health systems should continue to be strengthened because there is no doubt that the consequences of the disease in individual patients will last for months or years.
“There is no doubt that it is a disease that is shaking the foundations of science. I am convinced that the person who gets severe pneumonia from Covid will take two years to recover, even if he returns to his everyday life, the person with circulatory disease can take much longer to return to the previous recovery,” he declared.
Low incidence of Covid
Redondo said that currently, the incidence of the Covid virus had dropped considerably in the country.
For example, he cited that in the Bávaro Punta Cana area, it is only 10% compared to previous months, in La Romana Bayahíbe, it has dropped to 25 to 30% and in Puerto Plata to 50%.
He estimated that if it is possible to maintain this natural environment and specific interventions that have been made, it is in conditions without a doubt to receive tourists without any inconvenience.
He said that with the Covid, it is advisable to test the effect, that is, to continue opening the economy little by little, but observing and monitoring to re-restrict in case of an increase in cases, in addition to continuing to educate the population because much depends on citizen responsibility.
At least 6,000 patients positive for Covid -19 have been treated with the drug ivermectin by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana, with excellent results.
José Natalio Redondo, president of Grupo Rescue, and journalist Doris Pantaleón.
Group of doctors highlight results of successes in more than 6,000 patients with Covid-19 treated with the drug ivermectin.
Santo Domingo, DR
At least 6,000 Covid-19 positive patients have been treated with excellent results using the drug ivermectin, by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana.
The antiparasitic and antiviral drug, known in the market for 50 years, has been used by doctors in the country since the beginning of the epidemic to treat patients with the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes the Covid-19 disease; when the first cases began to appear and in the absence of a specific treatment.
The details were offered by Dr. José Natalio Redondo, president of the Rescue Group when he participated as a guest in “La Cita con el Covid,” which broadcasts every Monday at 9:00 pm Listindiario.com.
The advantage of Ivermectin, Redondo points out, is that it is a well-known and studied drug because it has been used for more than 30 years in humans and for around 45 years in animals, while around the world a trillion doses are given per year no side effects.
He said that the group had registered about 6,000 patients with outpatient emergency and consultation services with promising results, “and it forces us to follow the same policy of treatment and management scheme.” Redondo, who, along with a group of researchers from the Rescue Group, has been a promoter of this treatment. He said that although there are still many things that are unknown about this disease, it is undoubted that progress has been made to the point that medicines and drugs are already available, recognized, and approved procedures for the different phases of the disease.
The dose
He stressed that several studies reliably demonstrate the antiviral effect on the symptoms of the patient that has Ivermectin and that in laboratory tests, a significantly rapid reduction in viral load is noted when it is used in the early phase.
He explained that the current dose is that a person between 80 and 90 kilos should take six or seven tablets in total, administered all together or in daily doses, preferably in the early stage of symptoms. “Our group is giving it all six meetings in the emergency to Covid patients,” he said.
“We have computed more than 4,500 patients treated in the emergency with extraordinary results that are measured concerning the duration of the disease whose results are going to be published internationally,” he said. However, he recognizes that the panacea against the disease will be the vaccine.
He favored the country to continue releasing more restrictive measures, especially in places where there is less incidence of the virus that produces Covid-19.
The medicine specialist pointed out that health centers are currently receiving more patients decompensated by chronic diseases than Covid.
He said that patients with diabetes, heart, kidneys, and cancer, among other chronic diseases, were neglected and had not been attending their check-ups due to fear of the Covid.
He specified that health facilities are currently receiving patients of this type in delicate conditions, including more strokes and heart attacks.
Aftermath for years
He considered that health systems should continue to be strengthened because there is no doubt that the consequences of the disease in individual patients will last for months or years.
“There is no doubt that it is a disease that is shaking the foundations of science. I am convinced that the person who gets severe pneumonia from Covid will take two years to recover, even if he returns to his everyday life, the person with circulatory disease can take much longer to return to the previous recovery,” he declared.
Low incidence of Covid
Redondo said that currently, the incidence of the Covid virus had dropped considerably in the country.
For example, he cited that in the Bávaro Punta Cana area, it is only 10% compared to previous months, in La Romana Bayahíbe, it has dropped to 25 to 30% and in Puerto Plata to 50%.
He estimated that if it is possible to maintain this natural environment and specific interventions that have been made, it is in conditions without a doubt to receive tourists without any inconvenience.
He said that with the Covid, it is advisable to test the effect, that is, to continue opening the economy little by little, but observing and monitoring to re-restrict in case of an increase in cases, in addition to continuing to educate the population because much depends on citizen responsibility.
At least 6,000 patients positive for Covid -19 have been treated with the drug ivermectin by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana, with excellent results.
José Natalio Redondo, president of Grupo Rescue, and journalist Doris Pantaleón.
There is definitely some encouraging research but two things - this is a fairly serious liver toxin ( so is rum) - the recovery rate without treatment is 95% plus - so your playing in the statistical weeds - all that being said - I would prolly put this regimen in my medicine cabinet if I lived in teh DR
You are shining a flashlight in the dark with anyone who thinks there are bizarre "cures" for CV19.
Ivermectin works great. I use it in injectable form to kill fleas on my dog.
There is no miracle secret medication for treating or protecting yourself from CV19.
Take the safe easy path and follow the science instead of internet silliness.
It might be nonsense but it certainly isn't internet nonsense . These are doctors that have been using it and saying it works. They have been on TV here in the DR.
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When human clinical trials are completed and show Ivermectin is effective I will believe it.
In first world countries Ivermectin is not approved as a treatment for CV 19.
It is dangerous and irresponsible for doctors to go off on their own and administer meds they "think" may be effective.
If a group of doctors in first world countries decided to experiment on their patients in similar fashion there would be a well deserved uproar.
"Being on tv" lends credence to what you believe ?
The results of these doctors is anecdotal medical results in the extreme.
Lots of treatments are being looked at on a worldwide basis and in depth careful studies are needed before the general public is administered anything
Giving Ivermectin randomly in the fashion this article describes is criminal malpractice in n the real world.
Even when I am in the DR I still live in the real world and am patiently awaiting a safe effective vaccine.
There is a list of safe effective medication that have been fully tested and found to be effective against CV19.
You want to inject veteranarian approved flea killer be my guest.
Let's just not talk about it as any proven treatment, it is not and the use of Ivermectin in people with this virus is wildly risky.
Do doctors in the DR take the Hippocratic oath?
You remember the part about "above all do no harm"?
This ain't it.
When human clinical trials are completed and show Ivermectin is effective I will believe it.
In first world countries Ivermectin is not approved as a treatment for CV 19.
It is dangerous and irresponsible for doctors to go off on their own and administer meds they "think" may be effective.
If a group of doctors in first world countries decided to experiment on their patients in similar fashion there would be a well deserved uproar.
"Being on tv" lends credence to what you believe ?
The results of these doctors is anecdotal medical results in the extreme.
Lots of treatments are being looked at on a worldwide basis and in depth careful studies are needed before the general public is administered anything
Giving Ivermectin randomly in the fashion this article describes is criminal malpractice in n the real world.
Even when I am in the DR I still live in the real world and am patiently awaiting a safe effective vaccine.
There is a list of safe effective medication that have been fully tested and found to be effective against CV19.
You want to inject veteranarian approved flea killer be my guest.
Let's just not talk about it as any proven treatment, it is not and the use of Ivermectin in people with this virus is wildly risky.
Do doctors in the DR take the Hippocratic oath?
You remember the part about "above all do no harm"?
This ain't it.
I’m leery of all the ivermectin touting going on. It’s used to treat internal and external parasites such as lice, mange, and various types of worms in animals.
This is powerful stuff. I don’t claim to be a drug expert but my experience using ivermectin with animals makes me hesitant.
This is powerful stuff. I don’t claim to be a drug expert but my experience using ivermectin with animals makes me hesitant.
I posted this on another thread, but this is the brand I’ve used as a horse dewormer for years. They are posting a warning that Ivermectin has not been tested for use against Covid 19 in humans.
https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=3d70c03d-e24f-4641-8145-5f0a3748c827
If you scroll down, you will see this warning in red:
Warning from the Manufacturer:
Norbrook is aware that there are reports circulating globally regarding work being done on a number of potential drugs to fight the Covid-19 virus. One molecule in the news currently is ivermectin, which has shown some positive results but only in preliminary testing and only in vitro (not in an animal system). The molecule certainly has not undergone testing for activity against Covid-19 in humans and no work has been carried out on dose rates or human safety for use against Covid-19. Ivermectin, alone and in combination with other actives remains a valuable resource for managing a variety of parasitic conditions in animals, such that these products are clearly indicated and labelled for animal use only.
https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=3d70c03d-e24f-4641-8145-5f0a3748c827
If you scroll down, you will see this warning in red:
Warning from the Manufacturer:
Norbrook is aware that there are reports circulating globally regarding work being done on a number of potential drugs to fight the Covid-19 virus. One molecule in the news currently is ivermectin, which has shown some positive results but only in preliminary testing and only in vitro (not in an animal system). The molecule certainly has not undergone testing for activity against Covid-19 in humans and no work has been carried out on dose rates or human safety for use against Covid-19. Ivermectin, alone and in combination with other actives remains a valuable resource for managing a variety of parasitic conditions in animals, such that these products are clearly indicated and labelled for animal use only.
Yes lets talk about those wonderful first world countries. Tell me how much better first world countries are doing vis-à-vis third world countries. Have a look at African countries, most are third world under the current definition, most are doing well with CV19; check mortality per million.
Ivermectin is safe for human use. Humans must NOT use any drug labeled for animal use. Here in DR Ivermectin is available in most pharmacies for human use.
Do Not Use Ivermectin for Animals as Treatment for COVID-19 in Humans
FDA recently became aware of increased public visibility of ivermectin after a research article that described the effect of the drug on SARS-CoV-2 in the lab.
White paper on Ivermectin as a potential therapy for COVID-19
A group of senior doctors with vast clinical experience met on 19th July’20 under the aegis of Academy of Advanced Medical Education. The panel looked at Ivermectin, one of the old molecule and evaluated it's use in COVID 19 (Novel Coronavirus ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I have no issue with anyone using anything they like as treatments.
The problem arises when untested medications or off branded uses are touted as effective with zero clinical trials.
Russia and China are both using vaccines that did not undergo clinical trials.
The development of a vaccine is not the hard part.
The difficult part is making 100% certain it is safe.
There is no sound medical evidence whatsoever for the safe use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.
The problem arises when untested medications or off branded uses are touted as effective with zero clinical trials.
Russia and China are both using vaccines that did not undergo clinical trials.
The development of a vaccine is not the hard part.
The difficult part is making 100% certain it is safe.
There is no sound medical evidence whatsoever for the safe use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.
If you consume a medication that has been deemed safe for use and has been on the market for decades why would it harm you if you happen to take it for anything other than for it was intended for as long as you don't exceed the recommended dosage? Lets say I take aspirin for diarrhea, the worst that can happen is that it doesn't alleviate my diarrhea but it won't kill me.
Since you mentioned Hydroxychloroquine, lets take a look a that medication. HCQ has been on the market for about seven decades, it is used to treat malaria and lupus among other things. It is considered to be a very safe tried and tested drug for many decades. For argument sake, lets say a person that has regularly taken HCQ for malaria catches CV19, are you going to tell me with a straight face that HCQ will now put this person at risk of death if HCQ is consumed for CV19? It might not work but other than that I see little to no benefit no to try it. If it doesn't work the person is just out a few pennies, HCQ is an extremely cheap drug, but if it works the person stands to win big. The benefit outweigh any potential negative in my view.
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