Ivermectin - The cure we are looking for? Used here in the DR in a limited capacity.

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Before you put Ivermectin into your body take a dropper with some liquid Ivermectin and empty in on a hot sidewalk. Watch what happens.
 
Harley, what strength cipro and how many times a day?
I’ve been using 500 mg 2 times a day and will be doing it for 14 days BUT it is said to use as a last resort with bacterial pneumonia if the other antibiotics were not working and I was desperate bc nothing was helping and I did not want to be stuck in the hospital here bc my nutrition is extremely important right now, eating healthier than ever and the meals in the Covid ward really did not help my wife, it almost made her worse.

So I will only go back if my oxygen saturation keeps dropping. It’s been between 88-96 in the last month. The last few days it’s been improving as my breathing as well. I’m guessing I was lucky enough to have both viral and bacterial pneumonia. Not sure if being locked in the COVID ward with my wife for 2 weeks made me worse or what but I will avoid that place as much as I can.

I forgot to say I also take probiotics and cranberry pills bc the antibiotics gave me the UTI the lung specialist and Emerg Dr gave me I am assuming. Gastro issues are a huge thing that happens with Covid as well so the probiotics are helping with that as well as my strict diet. No sugar, no salt, certain veggies and fruits, chicken and nuts and a special soup is what I eat. Around 4 litres of water a day, ginger tea and one glass of cranberry juice a day during antibiotics.

If anyone does need more help here I would suggest joining the fb support group “survivor corps”. 97,000+ people who have been suffering for months. “Long haulers” It gives you a good idea what to look out for bc most people and Dr’s really don’t understand this nasty virus.
For example many with long term illness from this never had a fever or a very low grade one for a brief period. I myself on 6 months have only had 99.3 2 times. My wife only had a fever a few times of 99.4 after she left the Covid ward.
So the temp taking is useless basically imo and people are turned away from help when they never had a fever. Covid manifests itself very differently in each person.
I wish good health for everyone and if you do get COVID I hope it is a mild!
 

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Harley, say you got covid for the first time and do not know the things you do now. Which Puerto Plata hospital would be your destination? What other antibiotics were you taking that didn't seem to work very well?
 
Harley, say you got covid for the first time and do not know the things you do now. Which Puerto Plata hospital would be your destination? What other antibiotics were you taking that didn't seem to work very well?
I went to Bournigal bc we have 10 animals and can't do another 2 weeks in Santiago at HOMS that easily so I decided to go to Bournigal. Since i have been in both Hospitals for COVID, HOMS really is so much better but if you really cannot get to Santiago easily and it isn't serious I would go to Bournigal. If you have anything very serious HOMS without question. I will be going to HOMS if I have to go somewhere again with this.
The pulmonologist prescribed Azithromycin for 5 days 1 tab a day, I went back a week later and said I was a bit better but not by much so she prescribed it again for 5 days and it did not help at all and started feeling worse. I was in her office for about 7 min each time, she was clearly scared of COVID and i had to ask for everything that i knew i needed. She didn't even listen to my lungs the second time. PRESSURE THEM FOR WHAT YOU NEED! I knew she wasn't going to be of any help so just left. She and the Gastro DR were very scared that I had COVID. Both DR's went back in their chair when I told them before they saw my results etc.. At HOMS no Dr's were scared and they were more knowledgable about it.
 
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I went to Bournigal bc we have 10 animals and can't do another 2 weeks in Santiago at HOMS that easily so I decided to go to Bournigal. Since i have been in both Hospitals for COVID, HOMS really is so much better but if you really cannot get to Santiago easily and it isn't serious I would go to Bournigal. If you have anything very serious HOMS without question. I will be going to HOMS if I have to go somewhere again with this.
The pulmonologist prescribed Azithromycin for 5 days 1 tab a day, I went back a week later and said I was a bit better but not by much so she prescribed it again for 5 days and it did not help at all and started feeling worse. I was in her office for about 7 min each time, she was clearly scared of COVID and i had to ask for everything that i knew i needed. She didn't even listen to my lungs the second time. PRESSURE THEM FOR WHAT YOU NEED! I knew she wasn't going to be of any help so just left. She and the Gastro DR were very scared that I had COVID. Both DR's went back in their chair when I told them before they saw my results etc.. At HOMS no Dr's were scared and they were more knowledgable about it.
Incredible stories, Harley. Thanks for sharing your experiences and Godspeed in your healing process.
 
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Best to consult a doctor who may have access to the latest information, but probably not in this country. Self mediating is just asking for trouble when dealing with protocols that are not well known or understood. The internet is good for some things but this isn't one of them.

There is a Dr. Redondoin In the DR who seems to know a lot about Ivermect and its use with covid-19. Most doctors know little about dealing with this infection, and that’s a worldwide problem. I’m sure you are aware of this link of a Dr Marek of Virginia in the US. I saw him interviewed on the You Tube channel of a Dr Been. That has tons of info ( often removed but you can go to Dr Been’s web page. The Marek link is


The Dr Been link is


The Ivermectin ( with zinc and Doxycycline) seems very promising, even as a preventative ( different dosage for that). You have to be a bit careful to not take certain drinks and foods. So no alcohol, no grapefruit.... that information is public. The dosage depends on your weight but the does mentioned on this forum seems to be the usual.

There are other options like HCQ, Azithromycin and zinc. Both the Ivermectin and HCQ cocktails are time sensitive. I don’t think they work well beyond the viral stage, at which point steroids seem helpful. So the trick is to catch it in the early phases, and that is not so clear cut. If you wait to long the virus isn’t there and antivirals don’t seem to help much at that point, as far as I know.

HCQ with zinc seems to work mainly via the zinc, because of the ionophore property of HCQ which allows zinc to get into cells. Ivermectin also is a Zinc ionophore as in Quercetin. Quercetin is nice because it’s not as hard on the system and Quercetin+ Zinc +D+C can be used fairly safely, and as a preventative. Ivermectin can also be used as a preventative, but I don’t know the dose. You’d take it once a week. Logically, that makes more sense to me since getting the virus in time might be tricky, while having Ivermectin or even Quercetin + Zinc in your system may prevent the virus from multiplying. I am not a doctor, just a retired Professor of Statistics who loves the DR and has been reading everything about this crazy thing for 6 months. The weather has been great in Toronto, but it’s now getting cooler and an trip to the DR would really be nice. Hopefully, Ivermectin will help speed up that possibility.

The HCQ cocktail comes out of Marseille, France. Dr Zalenko added zinc and modified it. Ivermectin was used in Bangladesh with zinc and Doxycycline. Quercetin uses zinc to work its magic. If someone knows of a better preventative cocktail, please let me know. The Quercetin cocktail has worked well for me ( one of my daughters is a nurse so ...), but I feel Ivermectin might just be the tool to finally deal with this virus. HCQ is virtually impossible to obtain in Canada, so it’s not as though people are being well treated up here. Seems better in the DR!
 
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From today's edition of Dominican Today:

Group of doctors highlight results of successes in more than 6,000 patients with Covid-19 treated with the drug ivermectin.

Santo Domingo, DR
At least 6,000 Covid-19 positive patients have been treated with excellent results using the drug ivermectin, by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana.
The antiparasitic and antiviral drug, known in the market for 50 years, has been used by doctors in the country since the beginning of the epidemic to treat patients with the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes the Covid-19 disease; when the first cases began to appear and in the absence of a specific treatment.
The details were offered by Dr. José Natalio Redondo, president of the Rescue Group when he participated as a guest in “La Cita con el Covid,” which broadcasts every Monday at 9:00 pm Listindiario.com.
The advantage of Ivermectin, Redondo points out, is that it is a well-known and studied drug because it has been used for more than 30 years in humans and for around 45 years in animals, while around the world a trillion doses are given per year no side effects.
He said that the group had registered about 6,000 patients with outpatient emergency and consultation services with promising results, “and it forces us to follow the same policy of treatment and management scheme.” Redondo, who, along with a group of researchers from the Rescue Group, has been a promoter of this treatment. He said that although there are still many things that are unknown about this disease, it is undoubted that progress has been made to the point that medicines and drugs are already available, recognized, and approved procedures for the different phases of the disease.
The dose
He stressed that several studies reliably demonstrate the antiviral effect on the symptoms of the patient that has Ivermectin and that in laboratory tests, a significantly rapid reduction in viral load is noted when it is used in the early phase.
He explained that the current dose is that a person between 80 and 90 kilos should take six or seven tablets in total, administered all together or in daily doses, preferably in the early stage of symptoms. “Our group is giving it all six meetings in the emergency to Covid patients,” he said.
“We have computed more than 4,500 patients treated in the emergency with extraordinary results that are measured concerning the duration of the disease whose results are going to be published internationally,” he said. However, he recognizes that the panacea against the disease will be the vaccine.
He favored the country to continue releasing more restrictive measures, especially in places where there is less incidence of the virus that produces Covid-19.
The medicine specialist pointed out that health centers are currently receiving more patients decompensated by chronic diseases than Covid.
He said that patients with diabetes, heart, kidneys, and cancer, among other chronic diseases, were neglected and had not been attending their check-ups due to fear of the Covid.
He specified that health facilities are currently receiving patients of this type in delicate conditions, including more strokes and heart attacks.
Aftermath for years
He considered that health systems should continue to be strengthened because there is no doubt that the consequences of the disease in individual patients will last for months or years.
“There is no doubt that it is a disease that is shaking the foundations of science. I am convinced that the person who gets severe pneumonia from Covid will take two years to recover, even if he returns to his everyday life, the person with circulatory disease can take much longer to return to the previous recovery,” he declared.
Low incidence of Covid
Redondo said that currently, the incidence of the Covid virus had dropped considerably in the country.
For example, he cited that in the Bávaro Punta Cana area, it is only 10% compared to previous months, in La Romana Bayahíbe, it has dropped to 25 to 30% and in Puerto Plata to 50%.
He estimated that if it is possible to maintain this natural environment and specific interventions that have been made, it is in conditions without a doubt to receive tourists without any inconvenience.
He said that with the Covid, it is advisable to test the effect, that is, to continue opening the economy little by little, but observing and monitoring to re-restrict in case of an increase in cases, in addition to continuing to educate the population because much depends on citizen responsibility.
At least 6,000 patients positive for Covid -19 have been treated with the drug ivermectin by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana, with excellent results.
José Natalio Redondo, president of Grupo Rescue, and journalist Doris Pantaleón.
 

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There is definitely some encouraging research but two things - this is a fairly serious liver toxin ( so is rum) - the recovery rate without treatment is 95% plus - so your playing in the statistical weeds - all that being said - I would prolly put this regimen in my medicine cabinet if I lived in teh DR
 

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Best to consult a doctor who may have access to the latest information, but probably not in this country. Self mediating is just asking for trouble when dealing with protocols that are not well known or understood. The internet is good for some things but this isn't one of them.
You are shining a flashlight in the dark with anyone who thinks there are bizarre "cures" for CV19.
Ivermectin works great. I use it in injectable form to kill fleas on my dog.
There is no miracle secret medication for treating or protecting yourself from CV19.
Take the safe easy path and follow the science instead of internet silliness.
 

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From today's edition of Dominican Today:

Group of doctors highlight results of successes in more than 6,000 patients with Covid-19 treated with the drug ivermectin.

Santo Domingo, DR
At least 6,000 Covid-19 positive patients have been treated with excellent results using the drug ivermectin, by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana.
The antiparasitic and antiviral drug, known in the market for 50 years, has been used by doctors in the country since the beginning of the epidemic to treat patients with the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes the Covid-19 disease; when the first cases began to appear and in the absence of a specific treatment.
The details were offered by Dr. José Natalio Redondo, president of the Rescue Group when he participated as a guest in “La Cita con el Covid,” which broadcasts every Monday at 9:00 pm Listindiario.com.
The advantage of Ivermectin, Redondo points out, is that it is a well-known and studied drug because it has been used for more than 30 years in humans and for around 45 years in animals, while around the world a trillion doses are given per year no side effects.
He said that the group had registered about 6,000 patients with outpatient emergency and consultation services with promising results, “and it forces us to follow the same policy of treatment and management scheme.” Redondo, who, along with a group of researchers from the Rescue Group, has been a promoter of this treatment. He said that although there are still many things that are unknown about this disease, it is undoubted that progress has been made to the point that medicines and drugs are already available, recognized, and approved procedures for the different phases of the disease.
The dose
He stressed that several studies reliably demonstrate the antiviral effect on the symptoms of the patient that has Ivermectin and that in laboratory tests, a significantly rapid reduction in viral load is noted when it is used in the early phase.
He explained that the current dose is that a person between 80 and 90 kilos should take six or seven tablets in total, administered all together or in daily doses, preferably in the early stage of symptoms. “Our group is giving it all six meetings in the emergency to Covid patients,” he said.
“We have computed more than 4,500 patients treated in the emergency with extraordinary results that are measured concerning the duration of the disease whose results are going to be published internationally,” he said. However, he recognizes that the panacea against the disease will be the vaccine.
He favored the country to continue releasing more restrictive measures, especially in places where there is less incidence of the virus that produces Covid-19.
The medicine specialist pointed out that health centers are currently receiving more patients decompensated by chronic diseases than Covid.
He said that patients with diabetes, heart, kidneys, and cancer, among other chronic diseases, were neglected and had not been attending their check-ups due to fear of the Covid.
He specified that health facilities are currently receiving patients of this type in delicate conditions, including more strokes and heart attacks.
Aftermath for years
He considered that health systems should continue to be strengthened because there is no doubt that the consequences of the disease in individual patients will last for months or years.
“There is no doubt that it is a disease that is shaking the foundations of science. I am convinced that the person who gets severe pneumonia from Covid will take two years to recover, even if he returns to his everyday life, the person with circulatory disease can take much longer to return to the previous recovery,” he declared.
Low incidence of Covid
Redondo said that currently, the incidence of the Covid virus had dropped considerably in the country.
For example, he cited that in the Bávaro Punta Cana area, it is only 10% compared to previous months, in La Romana Bayahíbe, it has dropped to 25 to 30% and in Puerto Plata to 50%.
He estimated that if it is possible to maintain this natural environment and specific interventions that have been made, it is in conditions without a doubt to receive tourists without any inconvenience.
He said that with the Covid, it is advisable to test the effect, that is, to continue opening the economy little by little, but observing and monitoring to re-restrict in case of an increase in cases, in addition to continuing to educate the population because much depends on citizen responsibility.
At least 6,000 patients positive for Covid -19 have been treated with the drug ivermectin by doctors belonging to the Rescue group, with health facilities located in Puerto Plata, La Romana, and Punta Cana, with excellent results.
José Natalio Redondo, president of Grupo Rescue, and journalist Doris Pantaleón.
This is dangerous internet nonsense.
 

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When human clinical trials are completed and show Ivermectin is effective I will believe it.

In first world countries Ivermectin is not approved as a treatment for CV 19.
It is dangerous and irresponsible for doctors to go off on their own and administer meds they "think" may be effective.
If a group of doctors in first world countries decided to experiment on their patients in similar fashion there would be a well deserved uproar.
"Being on tv" lends credence to what you believe ?
The results of these doctors is anecdotal medical results in the extreme.

Lots of treatments are being looked at on a worldwide basis and in depth careful studies are needed before the general public is administered anything
Giving Ivermectin randomly in the fashion this article describes is criminal malpractice in n the real world.
Even when I am in the DR I still live in the real world and am patiently awaiting a safe effective vaccine.

There is a list of safe effective medication that have been fully tested and found to be effective against CV19.
You want to inject veteranarian approved flea killer be my guest.
Let's just not talk about it as any proven treatment, it is not and the use of Ivermectin in people with this virus is wildly risky.
Do doctors in the DR take the Hippocratic oath?
You remember the part about "above all do no harm"?
This ain't it.
 

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https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/first-do-no-harm-201510138421[/URL]

As an important step in becoming a doctor, medical students must take the Hippocratic Oath. And one of the promises within that oath is “first, do no harm” (or “primum non nocere,” the Latin translation from the original Greek.)

Right?

Wrong.

While some medical schools ask their graduates to abide by the Hippocratic Oath, others use a different pledge — or none at all. And in fact, although “first, do no harm” is attributed to the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates, it isn’t a part of the Hippocratic Oath at all. It is actually from another of his works called Of the Epidemics.

So why the confusion?
Admittedly, there is similar language found in both places. For example, here’s a line from one translation of the Hippocratic Oath:

I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous.”

Yes, the pledger commits to avoiding harm, but there’s nothing about making it a top priority. Meanwhile, Of the Epidemics says

The physician must be able to tell the antecedents, know the present, and foretell the future — must mediate these things, and have two special objects in view with regard to disease, namely, to do good or to do no harm.”

Again, there is no clear priority given to the avoidance of harm over the goal of providing help.
 

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I’m leery of all the ivermectin touting going on. It’s used to treat internal and external parasites such as lice, mange, and various types of worms in animals.
This is powerful stuff. I don’t claim to be a drug expert but my experience using ivermectin with animals makes me hesitant.
 

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I posted this on another thread, but this is the brand I’ve used as a horse dewormer for years. They are posting a warning that Ivermectin has not been tested for use against Covid 19 in humans.

https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=3d70c03d-e24f-4641-8145-5f0a3748c827

If you scroll down, you will see this warning in red:

Warning from the Manufacturer:
Norbrook is aware that there are reports circulating globally regarding work being done on a number of potential drugs to fight the Covid-19 virus. One molecule in the news currently is ivermectin, which has shown some positive results but only in preliminary testing and only in vitro (not in an animal system). The molecule certainly has not undergone testing for activity against Covid-19 in humans and no work has been carried out on dose rates or human safety for use against Covid-19. Ivermectin, alone and in combination with other actives remains a valuable resource for managing a variety of parasitic conditions in animals, such that these products are clearly indicated and labelled for animal use only.
 
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When human clinical trials are completed and show Ivermectin is effective I will believe it.

In first world countries Ivermectin is not approved as a treatment for CV 19.
It is dangerous and irresponsible for doctors to go off on their own and administer meds they "think" may be effective.
If a group of doctors in first world countries decided to experiment on their patients in similar fashion there would be a well deserved uproar.
"Being on tv" lends credence to what you believe ?
The results of these doctors is anecdotal medical results in the extreme.

Lots of treatments are being looked at on a worldwide basis and in depth careful studies are needed before the general public is administered anything
Giving Ivermectin randomly in the fashion this article describes is criminal malpractice in n the real world.
Even when I am in the DR I still live in the real world and am patiently awaiting a safe effective vaccine.

There is a list of safe effective medication that have been fully tested and found to be effective against CV19.
You want to inject veteranarian approved flea killer be my guest.
Let's just not talk about it as any proven treatment, it is not and the use of Ivermectin in people with this virus is wildly risky.
Do doctors in the DR take the Hippocratic oath?
You remember the part about "above all do no harm"?
This ain't it.
Yes lets talk about those wonderful first world countries. Tell me how much better first world countries are doing vis-à-vis third world countries. Have a look at African countries, most are third world under the current definition, most are doing well with CV19; check mortality per million.

Ivermectin is safe for human use. Humans must NOT use any drug labeled for animal use. Here in DR Ivermectin is available in most pharmacies for human use.

Ivermectin tablets are approved for use in people for the treatment of some parasitic worms (intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis) and ivermectin topical formulations are approved for human use by prescription-only for the treatment of external parasites such as headlice and skin conditions such as rosacea. Ivermectin is FDA-approved for use in animals for prevention of heartworm disease in some small animal species, and for treatment of certain internal and external parasites in various animal species.

4. Ivermectin is an old molecule with proven safety5
Ivermectin is a well-known anthelmintic agent from the late-1970s. In recent times, the antiviral function of ivermectin has been discovered. Already its effectiveness against certain flavivirus (dengue fever, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis virus) and chikungunya virus has been demonstrated in vitro. Since then the same activity has been assessed in numerous other viral infections. Off lately its potency has been recognized in eliminating coronavirus in vitro.12 It reduces the SARS-CoV-2 viral load by a factor of 5000 in 48 hours.4

Current clinical trials have used Ivermectin in a dose ranging from 200 to 1200 mcg/kg body weight, for a duration of 3–7 days, showing promising results both in terms of symptomatology as well as viral load reduction.13

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9. Ongoing clinical trials in various countries
  • 1.
    USA STUDY I:Printed in Medscape (Jul 15, 2020, Author: David J Cennimo, MD, FAAP, FACP, AAHIVS; Chief Editor: Michael Stuart Bronze, MD.) Ivermectin at four Florida hospitals showed significantly lower mortality rates in those who received ivermectin compared with usual care (15% vs 25.2%; P = 0.03). It was a retrospective cohort study (n = 280) in hospitalized patients with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection. Ivermectin, showed in vitro reduction of viral RNA in Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours' post-infection with SARS-CoV-2 clinical isolate Australia/VIC01/2020. The mortality rate was also lower among 75 patients with severe pulmonary disease treated with ivermectin (38.8% vs 80.7%; P = 0.001), although the rate of successful extubation did not differ significantly.18 , 19
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    USA STUDY II:An observational registry-based study from 169 hospitals across Asia (AS), Europe (EU), Africa (AF), North (NA) and South America (SA), evaluated critically ill hospitalized patients diagnosed with COVID-19 with lung injury requiring mechanical ventilation, between January 1st 2020 and March 1st 2020. In this series of 1,970 patients, 1,609 survived hospitalizations to discharge and 361 died (18.3%). 52 patients (AS-7, EU-21, AF-3, NA-14, SA-7) who received Ivermectin (150 mcg/Kg) once after mechanical ventilation were instituted. The indications for use of the drug were related to clinician preference and based on prior data on the broad antimicrobial and specifically antiviral effects of this agent. Compared to 1,918conventionally treated patients a survival benefit for Ivermectin mortality rate was observed (18.6% vs 7.7%; HR 0.18, 95% CI, 0.07–0.48; log rank [Mantel–Cox] p < 0.001). The hospital length of stay was 15.7 ± 8.1 days' vs 10.9 ± 6.1 days, p < 0.001 and intensive care unit length of stay was 8.2 ± 6.2 days' vs 6.0 ± 3.9 days, p < 0.001 respectively.20
  • 3.
    DOMINICAN REPUBLIC STUDY: Ivermectin was administered in 1,300 early stage COVID-19 patients. Treatment began with standard dose of 100–200 mcg/kg and have escalated that to 400 mcg/kg. Some of the patients also received azithromycin.99% of them were cured. Average duration of full infection went down from 21 days to 10 days. Ivermectin starts inhibiting the virus within a couple days in humans. Only side effects reported were mild heart burn and diarrhea.21
  • 4.
    BANGLADESH STUDY: RCT involving mild to moderate degree of COVID-19 patients Study groups, A (n = 60): Ivermectin 200 mcg/kg single dose + Doxy 100mg BID for 10 days; and B (n = 56): HCQ 400 mg 1st day, then 200mg BID for 9 days + Azithromycin 500mg daily for 5 Days. Treatment outcomes were evaluated on 5th day in case of asymptomatic patients and 2nd non-symptomatic day onward from 1st day of the drug intake. Outcome: Group A vs. Group-B: Recovery rate was 100% vs 96.36%, mean symptomatic recovery duration was 5.93 days' vs 6.99 days, negative PCR was achieved on 8.93 days vs. 9.33 days, and by 5th day, 55.10% vs23.8% of patients gained symptomatic recovery. Adverse events Group A (31.67%) and B (46.43%). Ivermectin–Doxycycline combination therapy has a better success of symptomatic relief; shortened recovery duration, reduced adverse effects, and superior patient compliance compared to the Hydroxychloroquine–Azithromycin combination.6
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    INDIA: A study on 2000 patients is ongoing in Max Super Speciallity Hospital (DDF), East Block, Internal Medicine Department, 2- Press Enclave Road, New Delhi.22

 
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I have no issue with anyone using anything they like as treatments.
The problem arises when untested medications or off branded uses are touted as effective with zero clinical trials.
Russia and China are both using vaccines that did not undergo clinical trials.

The development of a vaccine is not the hard part.
The difficult part is making 100% certain it is safe.
There is no sound medical evidence whatsoever for the safe use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.
 

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I have no issue with anyone using anything they like as treatments.
The problem arises when untested medications or off branded uses are touted as effective with zero clinical trials.
Russia and China are both using vaccines that did not undergo clinical trials.

The development of a vaccine is not the hard part.
The difficult part is making 100% certain it is safe.
There is no sound medical evidence whatsoever for the safe use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.

Nothing is 100% safe. Don't kid yourself.
 
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I have no issue with anyone using anything they like as treatments.
The problem arises when untested medications or off branded uses are touted as effective with zero clinical trials.
Russia and China are both using vaccines that did not undergo clinical trials.

The development of a vaccine is not the hard part.
The difficult part is making 100% certain it is safe.
There is no sound medical evidence whatsoever for the safe use of Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine.
If you consume a medication that has been deemed safe for use and has been on the market for decades why would it harm you if you happen to take it for anything other than for it was intended for as long as you don't exceed the recommended dosage? Lets say I take aspirin for diarrhea, the worst that can happen is that it doesn't alleviate my diarrhea but it won't kill me.

Since you mentioned Hydroxychloroquine, lets take a look a that medication. HCQ has been on the market for about seven decades, it is used to treat malaria and lupus among other things. It is considered to be a very safe tried and tested drug for many decades. For argument sake, lets say a person that has regularly taken HCQ for malaria catches CV19, are you going to tell me with a straight face that HCQ will now put this person at risk of death if HCQ is consumed for CV19? It might not work but other than that I see little to no benefit no to try it. If it doesn't work the person is just out a few pennies, HCQ is an extremely cheap drug, but if it works the person stands to win big. The benefit outweigh any potential negative in my view.
 
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