Kenyans in Haiti

[AlterEgo]

Let’s try again, please stay on topic.
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Haiti - FLASH : Kenyan assessment of pacified areas under control

18/09/2024 09:51:06

Haiti - FLASH : Kenyan assessment of pacified areas under control

The last three weeks have seen targeted and sustained joint security operations conducted by Multinational Mission for Security Support (MMSS) personnel and the Haitian National Police (PNH) in gang-controlled areas, including downtown Port-au-Prince, Ganthier, Delmas.

The joint operations have resulted in the pacification of key areas that are now under control, with dominant patrols, including several streets in Delmas, including Delmas 33, 31, 24, 22, 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, and 4, which were completely under gang control prior to the operations.

The joint day and night patrols currently underway in the streets and peri-urban areas have seen the population begin to return. Signs of activity, such as residents clearing debris and cleaning the streets, have been observed. The pacified areas include Avenue Hailé Sélassié, the Boulevard Toussaint Louverture (Airport Road), Avenue Henri Christophe, Street Capois, Avenue Christophe, Avenue Lamartinière (Bois Verna), Réunion Street, Avenue la fleur du chêne, Avenue de la République, Capois Street (Champs de Mars), Saint-Honoré Street, Grand’Rue (Blvd Jean Jacques Dessalines), Street Saint Honoré, Avenue Magloire Amboise, Route des Dalles (Eglise Wesleyenne). Normalcy is slowly returning in these areas

The area around the Police Academy is also being pacified. This has seen the re-opening of the Academy with hundreds of new recruits currently undergoing training, this has also seen MSS opening its first Forward Operating Base (FOB) at the Academy to ensure the security of the recruits. A number of gang leaders have been sending emissaries for truce and dialogue, but the joint message from the Prime Minister Garry Conille, Director General HNP Normil Rameau and MSS Force Commander SAIG Godfrey Otunge is very clear : "surrender, lay down your weapons and be ready to be prosecuted for the atrocities you committed."

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The last three weeks have seen targeted and sustained joint security operations conducted by MMSS and PNH personnel in gang-controlled areas...

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[Ecoman1949]

The intervention appears to be gaining traction. The first sign of anything positive since the Multinational forces arrived on Haitian soil. An election is scheduled soon to elect a President and ministers to replace the temporary ones. I hope it all comes together and has the ability to endure. If the world starts to see positive intervention outcomes, they might be more inclined to invest more money and resources to keep the momentum going.

They’re still taking a hard line with the gangs. As far as I know, none have laid down their arms and surrended yet. I’d be surprised if any of them did to face prosecution. The elected government might have to take a different approach. Otherwise the intervention could get bogged down wasting a large part of their resources trying to bring the gangs to justice.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

The intervention appears to be gaining traction. The first sign of anything positive since the Multinational forces arrived on Haitian soil. An election is scheduled soon to elect a President and ministers to replace the temporary ones. I hope it all comes together and has the ability to endure. If the world starts to see positive intervention outcomes, they might be more inclined to invest more money and resources to keep the momentum going.

They’re still taking a hard line with the gangs. As far as I know, none have laid down their arms and surrended yet. I’d be surprised if any of them did to face prosecution. The elected government might have to take a different approach. Otherwise the intervention could get bogged down wasting a large part of their resources trying to bring the gangs to justice.

I have to say, you really are sticking with this whole peace keeping mission altruistic model. That's fine, but I'm sticking with an international money grab theatrical performance funded by uncle sam, well and "some" from your team, supposedly. I'll wait for the receipts.

 

[Ecoman1949]

I have to say, you really are sticking with this whole peace keeping mission altruistic model. That's fine, but I'm sticking with an international money grab theatrical performance funded by uncle sam, well and "some" from your team, supposedly. I'll wait for the receipts.

Yours may be the more realistic view EHM. The Canadian funds will be dispersed
regardless of who is in power after our fast approaching election. The US funds require congressional approval as they are dispersed. A new administration after the November US election may choose to stop the funding, especially with the current political optics on legal Haitians recently brought in to the US.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Yours may be the more realistic view EHM. The Canadian funds will be dispersed
regardless of who is in power after our fast approaching election. The US funds require congressional approval as they are dispersed. A new administration after the November US election may choose to stop the funding, especially with the current political optics on legal Haitians recently brought in to the US.

 

[Father Guido]

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hmmm, lunch and dinner

 

[windeguy]

Isn't the Kenyans time there almost up?

 

[johne]

Isn't the Kenyans time there almost up?

For all of us time is up when the Big Boss says it's up.

 

[Ecoman1949]

Isn't the Kenyans time there almost up?

As I understand it, the US funds are still being dispersed and the Canadian funds are mostly in place. As long as the money flow, the intervention goes. I don’t remember the Kenyans committing to a specific time frame. Maybe they did. Money is the draw.

“And we’re bound for the border
We‘re soldiers of fortune
And we’ll fight for no country
But we’ll die for good pay“

Mercenary song. Steve Earle

 

[Ecoman1949]

For all of us time is up when the Big Boss says it's up.

Very deep! Given a choice of a sudden unplanned departure by a bullet from a Haitian gang member or dying,” in the saddle”, I prefer the latter. I want my tombstone to say I HAD FUN.

 

[JD Jones]

Isn't the Kenyans time there almost up?

Don't hold your breath, Windy

Kenyan President announces deployment of 600 new troops to Haiti to strengthen security mission​

International
Author:We are Pueblo Media
September 21, 2024
1 min. reading


Kenyan President William Ruto announced on Saturday the addition of 600 new Kenyan troops to the Multinational Security Support Mission (MMSS) in Haiti. The Kenyan-led mission began its deployment three months ago to support the Haitian police in their fight against violent armed gangs that are destabilizing the country.
Ruto arrived in Port-au-Prince, where he was received by Edgard Leblanc Fils, President of the Transitional Presidential Council (CPT); Normil Rameau, Director of the National Police; and Ketleen Florestal, Interim Prime Minister. During his visit, Ruto stressed that his main objective was to meet with Haitian authorities to exchange ideas and assess the progress of the security mission. Despite initial skepticism and widespread criticism, Ruto said he had seen “a lot of progress” since the initial deployment, with significant improvements in the security of key points such as the airport, the National Palace, the Haitian State University Hospital and other strategic sites.
Although the mission has not yet reached its target of 2,500 officers – it currently has only 400 Kenyans – the arrival of the new reinforcements is expected to increase the capacity of the Haitian security forces to control the situation. Ruto also stressed that, despite the doubts, the mission has the support of the UN and remains essential to restoring peace and stability in Haiti.

Presidente de Kenia anuncia el despliegue de 600 nuevos efectivos en Haití para reforzar misión de seguridad

El presidente de Kenia, William Ruto, anunció este sábado la incorporación de 600 nuevos efectivos kenianos a la Misión Multinacional de Apoyo a la Seguridad

somospueblo.com

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Don't hold your breath, Windy

Kenyan President announces deployment of 600 new troops to Haiti to strengthen security mission​

International
Author:We are Pueblo Media
September 21, 2024
1 min. reading


Kenyan President William Ruto announced on Saturday the addition of 600 new Kenyan troops to the Multinational Security Support Mission (MMSS) in Haiti. The Kenyan-led mission began its deployment three months ago to support the Haitian police in their fight against violent armed gangs that are destabilizing the country.
Ruto arrived in Port-au-Prince, where he was received by Edgard Leblanc Fils, President of the Transitional Presidential Council (CPT); Normil Rameau, Director of the National Police; and Ketleen Florestal, Interim Prime Minister. During his visit, Ruto stressed that his main objective was to meet with Haitian authorities to exchange ideas and assess the progress of the security mission. Despite initial skepticism and widespread criticism, Ruto said he had seen “a lot of progress” since the initial deployment, with significant improvements in the security of key points such as the airport, the National Palace, the Haitian State University Hospital and other strategic sites.
Although the mission has not yet reached its target of 2,500 officers – it currently has only 400 Kenyans – the arrival of the new reinforcements is expected to increase the capacity of the Haitian security forces to control the situation. Ruto also stressed that, despite the doubts, the mission has the support of the UN and remains essential to restoring peace and stability in Haiti.

Presidente de Kenia anuncia el despliegue de 600 nuevos efectivos en Haití para reforzar misión de seguridad

El presidente de Kenia, William Ruto, anunció este sábado la incorporación de 600 nuevos efectivos kenianos a la Misión Multinacional de Apoyo a la Seguridad

somospueblo.com

Of course. Why wouldn't they take the cashola as long as the US taxpayers are footing the bill. This is a major theatrical production, even Chad and Barbados got tickets to the matinée! November's here basically and January right around the corner. Tick tock, tick tock...

 

[windeguy]

I am not holding my breath JD for something I have always felt will eventually fail.
It just might take longer and then fail.

 

[drstock]

I am not holding my breath JD for something I have always felt will eventually fail.
It just might take longer and then fail.

You must be the most pessimistic person on DR1. Be it foreign forces in Haiti, drug raids, AirBNB or whatever, you have a negative take.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

You must be the most pessimistic person on DR1. Be it foreign forces in Haiti, drug raids, AirBNB or whatever, you have a negative take.

You are on a roll today good sir. Upon reading Windy's post, I viewed it as an individual's opinion on an Internet forum. His opinion was not insulting to a fellow member of this board. You continue, like a few others of your squad, to take up arms via personal attacks when a given opinion doesn't fit your model. Are you ok Stock? I thought we were making progress and had set up a meeting over at Mojito where I would be picking up the tab, God willing I make it back.

 

[AlterEgo]

You must be the most pessimistic person on DR1. Be it foreign forces in Haiti, drug raids, AirBNB or whatever, you have a negative take.

Some people always see their glass as half empty, others as half full and others overflowing. A happy medium is nice.

 

[Ecoman1949]

Some people always see their glass as half empty, others as half full and others overflowing. A happy medium is nice.

It’s easy to see how anyone, not just Windy, could see the latest Haitian intervention failure as an inevitability, based on the history of previous interventions. The current intervention wasn’t a willing one. The US and Canada were under duress to respond because the UN wasn’t giving it the importance it deserved. Not exactly a good beginning. Once the US and Canada agreed to provide initial funds to start the intervention, the UN quickly jumped on board to garner some of the credit and skim off their percentage of the largess. The motives of the US, Canada, and the UN were politically self centred, not altruistic.

I‘ve had my doubts from the very beginning when Luis was pressuring the UN to do something. I was surprised when Biden and Trudeau threw their financial hats in the ring. That created some guarded optimism on my part, but I’m realistic enough to know that the intervention Achilles heel is long term funding.

 

[windeguy]

You must be the most pessimistic person on DR1. Be it foreign forces in Haiti, drug raids, AirBNB or whatever, you have a negative take.

Not at all . I am a realist. Nothing will fix Haiti, history is my guide on that. Nothing will prevent drugs from being used, history is my guide on that. AIRBNB used to be good and now sucks. I have many personal dealings wiht AIRBNB.
These are all true.

Realists are often confused with being pessimists. If you want to call me a pessimist, so be it.

 

[windeguy]

Some people always see their glass as half empty, others as half full and others overflowing. A happy medium is nice.

I will always be a realist. There is not enough money that will be spent to fix Haiti.

 

[windeguy]

UN extends Kenyan policing mission in Haiti in futile attempt to tackle gangs

The Kenyan-led policing mission to Haiti has been extended for another year as struggle to contain gang violence continues.

theconversation.com

Just 400 Kenyan officers and two dozen policemen from Jamaica have arrived in Haiti so far. This is significantly less than the 2,500 officers pledged initially by various countries including Chad, Benin, Bangladesh and Barbados.

This financial woe has had a negative impact not only on the morale of Kenyan police officers, but it has also made Haitians despondent. Haitians are increasingly expressing impatience and disappointment with the Kenyan force in the media and online.

Some critics have accused the officers of being “tourists”, and have pointed out that the gangs have tightened their grip on large swathes of Haiti’s capital, Port-au-Prince, since the mission began.

The pessimism within Haiti was eloquently highlighted by the country’s interim prime minister, Garry Conille, on September 25. Speaking on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meet in New York, he confessed: “We are nowhere near winning this, and the simple reality is that we won’t without your help.”

Advantage gangs​

Finding the Kenyan-led operation a mere irritant, and not a worthy adversary, the gangs have only stepped up the ante. According to a spokesperson for Volker Türk, the UN’s human rights chief, the country’s armed gangs are now doing “everything they can” to maintain control. This has included using sexual assault to instil fear on local populations and expand their influence.

Some UN member nations, such as the US and Ecuador, have requested that a formal UN peacekeeping mission takes place. And, despite previous peacekeeping operations in the country being marred in controversy, Haiti has asked the UN to consider turning the current operation into a peacekeeping mission.

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Read more: Haiti: first Kenyan police arrive to help tackle gang violence – but the prospects for success are slim

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This mission, which would probably include a larger contingent of troops, should not face the same financial constraints as the current operation. It would have greater visibility on the ground, and more fire power and authority to tackle the gangs.

Past evidence also demonstrates that UN peackeeping missions significantly reduce civilian casualties, shorten conflicts and help make peace agreements stick.



Gang members walk down a street in downtown Port-au-Prince in July 2024. Johnson Sabin / EPA

However, the recent push for a peacekeeping mission was thwarted because of opposition by China and Russia, two of the five permanent veto-wielding members of the UN security council.

Beijing and Moscow have consistently argued that political conditions in Haiti are “not conducive” to a new UN peacekeeping operation. They have maintained that the current operation “should reach its full operational capacity before discussing such a transformation”.

Meanwhile, the gangs continue tightening their vice-like grip on the country, with accounts emerging of rampant sexual violence against civilians, the closure of humanitarian corridors, the extension of their territorial control and – of course – even more killings.