Marco Rubio the creationist

[Chirimoya]

I acknowledge there is development in moral systems, however, do you think there is or ever was anywhere a time or place where hiding and running away for a fight / confrontation would be considered the right thing to do? Or where take everything you can get at the expense of others would be applauded at? The basis of any moral system is an universal moral law that is given, did not develop or come into being.

As this is the Clown Bin, I only have one reply - the Dominican political system.

If it wasn't the Clown Bin, I'd point to all the different belief systems devised by humans and ask why you happen to follow one that coincides with the era and geographical location you happen to have been born into, as opposed to say, Zoroastrianism, or the Greek Gods?

 

[Tailspin]

What is ironic to say the least is that many atheists bash Christians as being irrational and illogical because they believe in a "supposed" intangible being and yet quickly run and hide or divert the conversation when pressed to explain why their theories are facts.

You guys have nothing that proves anything other than your own vanity and lack of logic.

At the very least a logical atheist would be willing to contend they can't prove their theories as facts any more or less than we can.

Haven't you been reading there are no atheists silly...

 

[Big Dan]

Four people have told you that what you are saying makes about as much sense as saying "The sky is made of marshmallows and banana rhymes with tootle-berry". I did say "sense" and another I believe mentioned reason.. So to make this clear when talking about God with you we need to leave out Logic, common sense, and reason. Anything else off the table?

Actually, four people have provided no answer at all! I have asked question on several occasions and no one is answering.

You are making wild accusations that I want you to leave out logic. I never said that.

Now.... prove you are an atheist. Good luck!

 

[Tailspin]

Actually, four people have provided no answer at all! I have asked question on several occasions and no one is answering.

You are making wild accusations that I want you to leave out logic. I never said that.

Now.... prove you are an atheist. Good luck!

Actually there have been some excellent answers.. frank12 made an excellent point.. You just glossed over it because it completely destroyed your entire post.

We can't move forward until you address his point. Then I would be glad to go further.

 

[Lucifer]

I guess I'm not an atheist, since I can't disprove Bertrand Russell's Orbiting Teapot.

Russell's Teapot - RationalWiki

 

[Mauricio]

As this is the Clown Bin, I only have one reply - the Dominican political system.

If it wasn't the Clown Bin, I'd point to all the different belief systems devised by humans and ask why you happen to follow one that coincides with the era and geographical location you happen to have been born into, as opposed to say, Zoroastrianism, or the Greek Gods?

If it wasn't the Clown Bin I would answer that the belief system where I happen to have been born into doesn't have to do with the question if you think that in other places and times cowardly or selfish behavior would be seen as intrinsically good. Or do you for example think a moral system of one place and time would be worse than ours?

 

[frank12]

The Bibile was written over 1600 years ago, by 40 authors, over several centuries, in three different languages--Aramaic, Greek, and Latin...and some of you guys want to use this to explain the world??

Really? Is this the book you want to use as the explanation of the world?

For the love of god, if the Bible had any more contradictions in it it would be a comic book! Explain to me if the Bible is the work of God, why did they re-write it and throw out the Old Testament and replace it with the New Testament? and why did so many gospels get left out--like the Gospel of Timothy?

I'm so glad you guys are not in power and making everyday decisions for us, otherwise we might go back to that beautiful era known as the Dark Ages.

Frank

 

[cobraboy]

It is my belief that Pres. Barack Obama is an atheist as well. In '08 he made remarks similar to Rubio's, and we called him on it. I even volunteered to work on his campaign. Still...

Unfortunately, it's the political reality in the U.S.: claim religion and get your votes. It's a joke politicians pull on delusional voters. Now it's Rubio's turn to make a fool of himself.

Obama said this on the question of the creation:

You know, what I've said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it. It may not be 24-hour days. And that's what I believe. I know there's always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don't. And, you know, that, I think, is a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I am a part.

You know, my belief is, is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live, that that is -- that is essentially true. That is fundamentally true.

Now whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible, that, you know, I don't presume to know.

CNN.com - Transcripts

Obama also said he believed in God (not an atheist unless you're saying he's a liar.)

Compare what he said and what Rubio said.

Yet somehow Obama is not pandering but Rubio is?

Obama also said this:

You know, what I believe is that God intervenes, but that his plans are a little too mysterious for me to grasp. And so what I try to do is, as best I can, be an instrument of his will. To act in what I think is accordance to the precepts of my faith.

And, you know, if I'm acting in an ethical way, if I am working to make sure that I am applying what I consider to be a core value of Christianity, but also a core value of all great religions, and that is that I am my brother's keeper and I am my sister's keeper, then I will be doing my part to move his agenda forward.

I don't know what that master plan is. And I don't presume to know. And I think that none of us know. But what we do -- what I think we can do is to act in ways that are consummate with the values that we cherish.

And sometimes that's harder to do in politics than it should be. But I think that's what's demanded of us.

To call out Rubio and cling to Obama's dingles ON THE SAME ISSUES WITH THE SAME ANSWERS is patent hypocricy, Bentot.

 

[Lucifer]

For Bible study, I'd suggest reading anything by Bart D. Ehrman, a New Testament scholar at UNC-Chapel Hill, but it would fall on deaf ears.

Professor Bart D. Ehrman - James A. Gray Distinguished Professor

These "believers on belief" wouldn't read a book even if it was given to them.

 

[frank12]

There was no "moment" God was not there, there was no "moment" God just *poof* appeared. I dont want to use the word God was always there, while that doesn't cover it.

God just 'is', not subject to the time, He created. No past, no future, just 'I am who I am'. Or how Jesus Christ said it: Before Abraham was, AM I. That doesn't make any sense, if you don't realize that God isn't subject to time. I'm probably taking it to far now, this is becoming a theological discussion, but while Jesus died on the cross in the year 33 AD, the bible says He was 'slaughtered before the foundation of the world'. There is a lot more to God's reality than we can understand.
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There was no "moment" "Vampires" was not there, there was no "moment" "Vampires" just *poof* appeared. I don't want to use the word "Vampires" was always there, while that doesn't cover it.

Vampires just 'are', not subject to the time, They created. No past, no future, just 'I am who I am'. Or how Jesus Christ said it: Before Abraham was, "Vampires are. That doesn't make any sense, if you don't realize that Vampires isn't subject to time. I'm probably taking it to far now, this is becoming a theological discussion, but while Jesus died on the cross in the year 33 AD, the bible says He was 'slaughtered before the foundation of the world'. There is a lot more to "Vampires" reality than we can understand.

Frank

 

[Lucifer]

Obama also said he believed in God (not an atheist unless you're saying he's a liar.)

I believe he is an atheist. Too bad he can't come out.

And I said we called him out on it. Somehow you missed it.

 

[cobraboy]

I believe he is an atheist. Too bad he can't come out.

So he's just pandering, huh? The very think you whack Rubio for.

Understood.

And I said we called him out on it. Somehow you missed it.

"We?" Really?

Link, please.

I stay very informed. I don't ever recall any media calling Obama out on his religious views, especially creationism and his belief in God. Maybe your little shape-shifting, handle-changing enclave did in private but not the media like is MOL calling Rubio out.

 

[bob saunders]

I believe he is an atheist. Too bad he can't come out.

And I said we called him out on it. Somehow you missed it.

Sadly I agree with you I think Obama is an atheist, and if he was a man of conviction, which he isn't, he could say so and still be elected.

 

[Mauricio]

For Bible study, I'd suggest reading anything by Bart D. Ehrman, a New Testament scholar at UNC-Chapel Hill, but it would fall on deaf ears.

Professor Bart D. Ehrman - James A. Gray Distinguished Professor

These "believers on belief" wouldn't read a book even if it was given to them.

Do you mean this one:

Been there, done that...

 

[Lucifer]

Do you mean this one:

Been there, done that...

No, amigo. I gave you a link to his website. And he has written many books on the subject. Try again.

 

[Mauricio]

The Bibile was written over 1600 years ago, by 40 authors, over several centuries, in three different languages--Aramaic, Greek, and Latin...and some of you guys want to use this to explain the world??

Really? Is this the book you want to use as the explanation of the world?

For the love of god, if the Bible had any more contradictions in it it would be a comic book! Explain to me if the Bible is the work of God, why did they re-write it and throw out the Old Testament and replace it with the New Testament? and why did so many gospels get left out--like the Gospel of Timothy?

I'm so glad you guys are not in power and making everyday decisions for us, otherwise we might go back to that beautiful era known as the Dark Ages.

Frank

I wouldn't be able to understand the New Testament without the Old Testament. This comment really shows you don't know what you are talking about, or at least never really understood the gospel. If you ever heard it.

 

[Mauricio]

No, amigo. I gave you a link to his website. And he has written many books on the subject. Try again.

No, you were saying read anything by Ehrman, not to read his website. You might think 'us' believers only read stuff that confirms what we believe and don't dare to look at the critics...No amigo....Try again

 

[Lucifer]

Sadly I agree with you I think Obama is an atheist, and if he was a man of conviction, which he isn't, he could say so and still be elected.

Few Americans would vote for an atheist:

Some Americans Reluctant to Vote for Mormon, 72-Year-Old Presidential Candidates

Look who's at the bottom of the list: atheists

 

[Lucifer]

No, you were saying read anything by Ehrman, not to read his website. You might think 'us' believers only read stuff that confirms what we believe and don't dare to look at the critics...No amigo....Try again

You got me. I thought it was obvious I meant books. That's OK. Few Christians read books... including the so-called good book.

 

[jackichan]

The Bibile was written over 1600 years ago, by 40 authors, over several centuries, in three different languages--Aramaic, Greek, and Latin...and some of you guys want to use this to explain the world??

Really? Is this the book you want to use as the explanation of the world?

For the love of god, if the Bible had any more contradictions in it it would be a comic book! Explain to me if the Bible is the work of God, why did they re-write it and throw out the Old Testament and replace it with the New Testament? and why did so many gospels get left out--like the Gospel of Timothy?

I'm so glad you guys are not in power and making everyday decisions for us, otherwise we might go back to that beautiful era known as the Dark Ages.

Frank

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