Merck says pill to treat Covid-19 cuts the risk of death by half

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Wasn't long ago many here turned their noses up at 50%.... a la Sinovac
Which is actually better than 50 %
Apples/Oranges comparison.

One is an anti-viral drug............the other a vaccine.

One is "supposed" to prevent Covid.....the other to manage it once Covid is contracted;

It may gain emergency use authorization to be used somewhere between the placebo-like SI No Vac and before the other ant-viral, Remdesivir.


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I view them all - the vaccines - as 'managing' Covid, not preventing

I think experience has shown us - none of them prevent CV19
 
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Going to be interesting to see how many of the sick and hospitalized will say no to the new Merck pill when they are lying in hospital struggling to breathe.
In order to be sick enough to be hospitalized these people refused the vaccine.

Computers are wonderful in the statistics they generate.
New numbers find that the less educated are also far less likely to vaccinated against the Covid virus.
 

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Apples/Oranges comparison.

One is an anti-viral drug............the other a vaccine.

One is "supposed" to prevent Covid.....the other to manage it once Covid is contracted;

It may gain emergency use authorization to be used somewhere between the placebo-like SI No Vac and before the other ant-viral, Remdesivir.


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Check your facts.

Nothing is "supposed to prevent Covid".
Nothing is designed to "manage it once Covid is contracted".
 
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These are only lab studies that show the pill is likely to be effective.
You will never need the pill if you get vaccinated.
Virtually all those becoming ill enough to be hospitalized refused the Covid vaccines.
If the DR is able to vaccinate enough of the population the country will not need the pill.
Between Covid testing and the likelihood of vaccine mandates for air travelers the DR should be fine.

The negative here is that the unvaccinated will now say there is no need for them to get the vaccine.
This ignores all the negatives that the unvaccinated bring upon the rest of us including increasing the opportunity for the virus to mutate into a more deadly form.
 

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These are only lab studies that show the pill is likely to be effective.
You will never need the pill if you get vaccinated.
Virtually all those becoming ill enough to be hospitalized refused the Covid vaccines.
If the DR is able to vaccinate enough of the population the country will not need the pill.
Between Covid testing and the likelihood of vaccine mandates for air travelers the DR should be fine.

The negative here is that the unvaccinated will now say there is no need for them to get the vaccine.
This ignores all the negatives that the unvaccinated bring upon the rest of us including increasing the opportunity for the virus to mutate into a more deadly form.
You can't teach STUPID..........................
 

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Going to be interesting to see how many of the sick and hospitalized will say no to the new Merck pill when they are lying in hospital struggling to breathe.
In order to be sick enough to be hospitalized these people refused the vaccine.

Computers are wonderful in the statistics they generate.
New numbers find that the less educated are also far less likely to vaccinated against the Covid virus.
And then there are educated people blinded in all affairs of life by political doctrine.
No point debating with them.
Everyone will go their way to the end.
We watch the results in global happenings.
 

Lobo Tropical

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Check your facts.

Nothing is "supposed to prevent Covid".
Nothing is designed to "manage it once Covid is contracted".
These are only lab studies that show the pill is likely to be effective.
You will never need the pill if you get vaccinated.
Virtually all those becoming ill enough to be hospitalized refused the Covid vaccines.
If the DR is able to vaccinate enough of the population the country will not need the pill.
Between Covid testing and the likelihood of vaccine mandates for air travelers the DR should be fine.

The negative here is that the unvaccinated will now say there is no need for them to get the vaccine.
This ignores all the negatives that the unvaccinated bring upon the rest of us including increasing the opportunity for the virus to mutate into a more deadly form.
The more people that are vaccinated against covid or recovered, the more we prevent the spread and mutation.
Vaccine mandates for travel and for ingress also help to prevent the spread.

The large groups of citizens who refuse vaccination in countries where it is readily available and free are a problem.
Governments, hospitals, and businesses carry the cost of billions of Dollars in loss, which filters down to the general public.
Rising prices for everything, most important on food and consumer staples.
Supply chains slowed down with hyper inflation in shipping costs and shortages of labour, because of covid.

And then we have the majority of the world population unvaccinated and unable to get vaccines.
No short term hope, and winter is coming we will have to see what happens till next Spring.

All of us have been affected in our lives and movement has been restricted, making live even more complicated and costly.
The only ones insulated are the rich if they can stay healthy.
 
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Check your facts.

Nothing is "supposed to prevent Covid".

I did. Read up on what a Covid vaccine is supposed to do............not what it actually does............but what it is supposed to do.
Nothing is designed to "manage it once Covid is contracted".

Better do some more reading on what an anti-viral is/does.


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The fully vaccinated are helping to get to Nirvana - Herd Immunity

The non-vaccinated are also helping - by getting sick in disproportionate numbers
Once afflicted, they die or become the equivalent of vaccinated....

I am wondering about the value of this Merck product....
sounds redundant to me
 

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Going to be interesting to see how many of the sick and hospitalized will say no to the new Merck pill when they are lying in hospital struggling to breathe.
In order to be sick enough to be hospitalized these people refused the vaccine.

Computers are wonderful in the statistics they generate.
New numbers find that the less educated are also far less likely to vaccinated against the Covid virus.
 

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and I guess all those American health care workers and teachers refusing vaccines are uneducated.
ALL. The vast majority of health care workers and teachers ARE VACCINATED.....................Do you dispute this fact?

Most nurses are vaccinated – so why do people think health workers are vaccine hesitant?​


 

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ALL. The vast majority of health care workers and teachers ARE VACCINATED.....................Do you dispute this fact?

Most nurses are vaccinated – so why do people think health workers are vaccine hesitant?​


I guess it depends on location. New York seems to have issues.
 

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and I guess all those American health care workers and teachers refusing vaccines are uneducated.
If you seriously are looking for answers read on.
Maybe you'll disregard the comments because they are from Havard to the Huff Post.
Or you may debate on the merits of the intellectual content, you may even agree???


Experts and representatives of health care workers and health care employers are quick to emphasize that these hesitant workers aren’t fools, conspiracy theorists or anti-vaxxers. In many ways, their worries grew from the peculiar circumstances of the coronavirus pandemic.
Some health care workers have developed deep mistrust of their employers and government leaders during the pandemic, after months of fighting for basic needs like masks and other personal protective equipment. They have watched the government bungle so many aspects of the COVID-19 response that when those same authority figures tell them to get vaccinated first, essentially to be guinea pigs for new vaccines, their messages aren’t always well-received.
A vaccinated health care workforce can continue manning the front lines in the battle against the pandemic, and be ambassadors for a broader vaccination effort.

Nonetheless, many long-term care staff continue to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine. In a recent CDC report, nursing homes had a median vaccination rate of 37.5% for staff during the first month of the federal vaccination effort; by comparison, a median of 77.8% of nursing home residents received the vaccine. This has surprised some policymakers. Recently, Maryland’s acting health secretary told state lawmakers that about one-third to one-half of staff offered the vaccine chose to have it –– nowhere near an expectation of 80% to 90%. In a bit of positive news earlier this month, a large national nursing home chain reported 61% of staff and 84% of residents had been vaccinated as of early February, still far short of many policymakers’ expectations.

At the end of the day, no matter the approach, trust and relationships will figure centrally into resolving this situation. In getting long-term care facility staff vaccinated, the messages we share matter, but so does the messenger who delivers this information.

 

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I guess it depends on location. New York seems to have issues.
Is 92 % of NY health care workers enough for you?

As the vaccination mandate went into full effect on Monday, 92 percent of the state’s more than 650,000 hospital and nursing home workers had received at least one vaccine dose, state officials said. That was a significant increase from a week ago, when 82 percent of the state’s nursing home workers and at least 84 percent of hospital workers had received at least one dose.

 
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