how? let's see.... a kid is sick. lots of poo in the nappy. cholera poo. nappy thrown away on a pile of unmoved trash by the side of the road. it rains. gutters flow with water, move old piles of trash. the water is contaminated already. kids play in the rain, in the gutters. they splash water, all over each other, faces included. people us the rain as a good occasion to clean, using rain water to wash floors and rinse the mop. kids play on the floor, a piece of food falls on the floor, is picked up. rubbish also blocks water exits, pipes, streams. causes water to rise, back up. that makes cloacas overflow and contaminate entire barrios.
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new cholera outbreak in san cristobal
how? let's see.... a kid is sick. lots of poo in the nappy. cholera poo. nappy thrown away on a pile of unmoved trash by the side of the road. it rains. gutters flow with water, move old piles of trash. the water is contaminated already. kids play in the rain, in the gutters. they splash water, all over each other, faces included. people us the rain as a good occasion to clean, using rain water to wash floors and rinse the mop. kids play on the floor, a piece of food falls on the floor, is picked up. rubbish also blocks water exits, pipes, streams. causes water to rise, back up. that makes cloacas overflow and contaminate entire barrios.
I don't think La Toma is a river at all, but a large natural spring that they dammed up a very long time ago. The water is cool and constantly moving. I'm pretty sure one of the buildings there was Trujillo's private home.
I heard when we were there earlier this year that it had closed for awhile, then reopened after the mayor [ballplayer Raul Mondesi] had crews remove tons of debris and thoroughly clean the entire area.
We used to go there a lot when the kids were young, been awhile since we visited because the last time we went it was a madhouse with no place to even sit down.
there are 67 suspected cased already:
Ministro de Salud P?blica dice se elevan a 67 los casos sospechosos de c?lera en San Crist?bal - Hoy Digital
in addition there have been many dengue cases in san cristobal as well.
Ministro de Salud P?blica dice se elevan a 67 los casos sospechosos de c?lera en San Crist?bal - Hoy Digital
in addition there have been many dengue cases in san cristobal as well.
Dengue will stay a thingy to be careful with, now we are at the time of the year when we have most evenings/nights a shower coming down(talking about my place on the east, other areas may have other times of the year), so there will at many spots/empty lots etc etc always be some standing water left, perfect breeding grounds for the lil mozzie buggers, that includes the ones responsible for Dengue.
basically Dengue is present year around(again, speaking just my area on the East, not familiar with other areas on the case) but at this time of the year the cases rise in numbers, and Dengue chimes in thru all social levels, it is not restricted to poor communities or such, as fact most of the people i know who had dengue cases in their family during the last several years are from "good neighbourhoods" including high end residencies.
Mike
basically Dengue is present year around(again, speaking just my area on the East, not familiar with other areas on the case) but at this time of the year the cases rise in numbers, and Dengue chimes in thru all social levels, it is not restricted to poor communities or such, as fact most of the people i know who had dengue cases in their family during the last several years are from "good neighbourhoods" including high end residencies.
Mike
do not mean to hijack but came across this one // Alerta: en Cotu? se respira muerte - Peri?dico Digital Dominicano - 7d?as.com.do
are they talking about cyanide? and is this not close to a resevoir? Cholera on the left, cyanide on the right, wait, i can feel the tune coming..
are they talking about cyanide? and is this not close to a resevoir? Cholera on the left, cyanide on the right, wait, i can feel the tune coming..
Sounds about right. You can avoid and prevent cholera pretty easily, dengue not so much. The good news is neither one will kill you if you are a healthy adult. You will just feel like you want to die.Both are great if you want to lose 10 to 15 pounds in a week.
sad but true.
i am not a mining expert or such, but since many years the reports are out about those big abuses of people living in the areas of the Mining farms. in every first world country the Mining companies working that unresponsible would be closed down and the big shots in charge would spend long jailtimes, plus big compensation payments etc etc etc.
the way mining is done by the big shots here on the Island is one of the things run like things been done back in the days of slavery, when nobody cared not even a little bit about human lifes/health etc, just about the big profit to be done.
i am not familiar with statistics about the theme, but i bet that people living in those areas show a far lower average of a lifetime span than the rest of the country, FAR less.
and for profits which are not much for the country, they go elsewhere.
Mike
i am not a mining expert or such, but since many years the reports are out about those big abuses of people living in the areas of the Mining farms. in every first world country the Mining companies working that unresponsible would be closed down and the big shots in charge would spend long jailtimes, plus big compensation payments etc etc etc.
the way mining is done by the big shots here on the Island is one of the things run like things been done back in the days of slavery, when nobody cared not even a little bit about human lifes/health etc, just about the big profit to be done.
i am not familiar with statistics about the theme, but i bet that people living in those areas show a far lower average of a lifetime span than the rest of the country, FAR less.
and for profits which are not much for the country, they go elsewhere.
Mike
this thread has touched many subjects...
just to finish reporting, there are 57 deaths this year due to dengue, as you might have read in few different newspapers.
cholera is also causing more issues in san cristobal with more than a hundred people presenting symptoms. salud publica decided to open the points of oral hydration: Instalan m?dulos de rehidrataci?n oral por el c?lera - listindiario.com
also, rios yubazo and nigua have been militarized: Z 101
just to finish reporting, there are 57 deaths this year due to dengue, as you might have read in few different newspapers.
cholera is also causing more issues in san cristobal with more than a hundred people presenting symptoms. salud publica decided to open the points of oral hydration: Instalan m?dulos de rehidrataci?n oral por el c?lera - listindiario.com
also, rios yubazo and nigua have been militarized: Z 101
the isolation of the rivers, Militarizing them, is a nneded measurement and by far not used widely enough. the rivers are the big danger point in case of spreading cholera around, and that said as fact til today we are this hurricane season lucky to run levels far below of what happens waterwise during many seasons in august. when the rivers run wild after a storm all da sh.it in them will be spilled into the groundwater everywhere and come back up into the daily cycles of human live for a very wide area, to be spread out even much more.
the watersources, specially the rivers, are a keypoint, and in my opinion by far not enough taken care about.
an other couple years and we will have it in All rivers around the Isle, and keep in mind that there exists no kinda magic on the globe which could be thrown in there to make 'em clean again, for decades and more to come.
Mike
the watersources, specially the rivers, are a keypoint, and in my opinion by far not enough taken care about.
an other couple years and we will have it in All rivers around the Isle, and keep in mind that there exists no kinda magic on the globe which could be thrown in there to make 'em clean again, for decades and more to come.
Mike
What does that mean, to militarize them? post military around them to keep people out of them?
Will cholor kill the malaria once it is in the INAPA system, in the water pipes? Can they at least do that?
Why are all these people getting sick? This is not like Haiti where they are getting their water from the rivers..
Will cholor kill the malaria once it is in the INAPA system, in the water pipes? Can they at least do that?
Why are all these people getting sick? This is not like Haiti where they are getting their water from the rivers..
militarize is basically to patrol with police and military, limit access.
cloro will kill cholera but it needs time. basically, for the water to be safe you will need to add about 2 drops of bleach per liter of water and let is stand for a while, minimum half an hour. it would be best to boil it afterwards anyways. and let it boil for at least a minute. both those methods can be used separately, if needed.
in this light i cannot see adding cloro to running water would make a difference. adding it to the cistern or a tinaco - yes.
MA, people are getting sick because water aqueduct is contaminated. so people wash in contaminated water and use it for food preparation.
my advice for everyone on this board is to prevent and be ready. put a pill of cloro in your cistern or add it to your tinaco.
if you cannot control your water source (in apartment blocks) use bottled water for drinking and food preparation.
keep at home hydrating salts so you can help by immediately hydrating sick person. those packets are cheap, from 25 to 50 pesos, soluble in one liter of water.
purchase one of those limpia manita things and clean your hands often, before and after using public toilets, before and after eating.
cloro will kill cholera but it needs time. basically, for the water to be safe you will need to add about 2 drops of bleach per liter of water and let is stand for a while, minimum half an hour. it would be best to boil it afterwards anyways. and let it boil for at least a minute. both those methods can be used separately, if needed.
in this light i cannot see adding cloro to running water would make a difference. adding it to the cistern or a tinaco - yes.
MA, people are getting sick because water aqueduct is contaminated. so people wash in contaminated water and use it for food preparation.
my advice for everyone on this board is to prevent and be ready. put a pill of cloro in your cistern or add it to your tinaco.
if you cannot control your water source (in apartment blocks) use bottled water for drinking and food preparation.
keep at home hydrating salts so you can help by immediately hydrating sick person. those packets are cheap, from 25 to 50 pesos, soluble in one liter of water.
purchase one of those limpia manita things and clean your hands often, before and after using public toilets, before and after eating.
A few papers are reporting today that the military is stationed at the Rio Nigua in San Cristobal province, to prevent bathing and fishing. There are now 127 cases.
yea, yesteday there was an article about san cristobal residents blaming salud publica and ayutamiento for the outbreak of a cholera and today it's about military stopping people from bathing in contaminated water. if you know the water is contaminated don't go to swim there! but no. no fui yo.
that's what i complain about:
it is done AFTERWARDS!!!
the facts are simple. we have a full cholera outbreak on the Island, and never in history any country could stop a cholera outbreak on any kinda border, or just by picking up the trash of a specific community.
anyways, cholera is since very long not just in a specific location, it is very widespread and today's people travel, which make's the spreading out of everything much easier and much quicker.
the only "maybe" effective way to restrict cholera to specific areas/hinder a further spreading-out, is to shut down the known sources/areas and also to shut down suspected future sources.
it is known that the Water is the carrier of cholera, so the rivers bring it cross country to EVERYWHERE, it reaches the sewer systems and everything else, it can NOT be taken out and destroyed.
Only hardest and strictly enforced measurements can isolate it as much as possible(never completely, there will be cases for the next 100 years and most likely much more time to come), militarizing ALL Rivers and strict enforcement of NO Fishing and NO Bathing in ALL Rivers is the only effective way to slow down the widespread, to cut down significantly on upcoming new cases.
and we will have for SURE new cases, and we will get them in new areas/provinces.
it is worth nothing to play a naive clueless behavior, it is worthless to think that cholera is only present in specific border areas and will not pop up in other areas, there is NO Area on the whole Island that could be named a Safe Location where nobody could get Cholera, such location will not exist for the next hundred years to come.
yes, it sounds harsh, it IS harsh, but where ever a number of cases comes up at the almost same time, that small area/barrio has to get shut down, noone in nor out, till all is checked an cleared, including the source found and shut down/isolated from getting in touch with humans.
Mike
it is done AFTERWARDS!!!
the facts are simple. we have a full cholera outbreak on the Island, and never in history any country could stop a cholera outbreak on any kinda border, or just by picking up the trash of a specific community.
anyways, cholera is since very long not just in a specific location, it is very widespread and today's people travel, which make's the spreading out of everything much easier and much quicker.
the only "maybe" effective way to restrict cholera to specific areas/hinder a further spreading-out, is to shut down the known sources/areas and also to shut down suspected future sources.
it is known that the Water is the carrier of cholera, so the rivers bring it cross country to EVERYWHERE, it reaches the sewer systems and everything else, it can NOT be taken out and destroyed.
Only hardest and strictly enforced measurements can isolate it as much as possible(never completely, there will be cases for the next 100 years and most likely much more time to come), militarizing ALL Rivers and strict enforcement of NO Fishing and NO Bathing in ALL Rivers is the only effective way to slow down the widespread, to cut down significantly on upcoming new cases.
and we will have for SURE new cases, and we will get them in new areas/provinces.
it is worth nothing to play a naive clueless behavior, it is worthless to think that cholera is only present in specific border areas and will not pop up in other areas, there is NO Area on the whole Island that could be named a Safe Location where nobody could get Cholera, such location will not exist for the next hundred years to come.
yes, it sounds harsh, it IS harsh, but where ever a number of cases comes up at the almost same time, that small area/barrio has to get shut down, noone in nor out, till all is checked an cleared, including the source found and shut down/isolated from getting in touch with humans.
Mike
Annie used your critical thinking skills. Cholera rarely shows up in sanitary conditions.
mike, the problem is not with the authorities. they can militarize entire areas, clean the rubbish, test the water, to no avail. cholera is here and it is here to stay, just like you said. the only way to reduce the number of the affected is... not to let yourself be affected! and that is down to the same people who are now b**ching about the government not doing anything. what can i say? the government is working on the information campaign and only the knowledge can help you here. how to treat the water, it's simple. bleach is not expensive, nor is boiling. and just those two things are the key to protect from cholera. simple cleanliness.
and yes, this is a responsibility of ayutamiento to remove the rubbish but it is a responsibility of an individual to put it in a rubbish bin and not throw directly onto the street. it is a responsibility of an individual to dig a small hole in which to take a dump and not use the river - the very same river in which he will later bathe and take the water for cooking.
and yes, this is a responsibility of ayutamiento to remove the rubbish but it is a responsibility of an individual to put it in a rubbish bin and not throw directly onto the street. it is a responsibility of an individual to dig a small hole in which to take a dump and not use the river - the very same river in which he will later bathe and take the water for cooking.