NFusion satellite receiver

[georgios]

Location VS dish size.

georgios, that is why location is not irrelevant.

The location dictates the size of the dish required, this is obvious. If the signal can to obtained, the remaining equipment are still the same... thanks.

BTW, I notice the Dom made dishes have "homemade" arms to hold the LNB.
These arms are just bolted on the rim of the dish with 1 screw which gets loose with time & wind. Not exactly centered either, the LNB position is another reason for a weaker signal. As noted by another poster, the 1.2M
imported dish performs better that a locally made 1.8M simply due to poor LNB
positioning.

Georgios

 

[webmacon]

Hi i_th .... No sorry .... but most installer here know how to put 2 LNB's on one 6ft dish, where the Echo 8.10 would be in the middle and the Echo7 and Anik3 on the right side of it.

MZ

 

[SantiagoDR]

Hi i_th .... No sorry .... but most installer here know how to put 2 LNB's on one 6ft dish, where the Echo 8.10 would be in the middle and the Echo7 and Anik3 on the right side of it.

MZ

I tried that on my third dish (Dominican Dish), the reception on Echo7/Anik3 really sucks.

 

[georgios]

How to install/align dish

I tried that on my third dish (Dominican Dish), the reception on Echo7/Anik3 really sucks.

A professional satellite finder is required. Most FTA receivers have their own
satellite tuning utility which strangely outperforms the satellite finder. Add a portaple TV set and you are set to go.
Point your dish approximately to that direction. Rotate your dish up and down by hand until you observed some signal. If you cannot find any, rotate the azimuth by half degree and repeat again and again until you find the satellite. Do a channel search to verify your Satellite. Select the weakest transponder on a remote satellite. Peak the signal. Tighten alignment screws. A strong signal would give more room for off alignment. Do not use a strong signal to peak. Some satellites are installed on a higher orbit by 1 Km. The USALS calculated azimuth could be off by a fraction of a degree. You can deviate the longitude setting to compensate the error.
Adjust focus by pushing LNB in and out. Peak the signal again. Switch to another satellite and check for signal strength, and do channel search again. If your dish is properly aligned to true south or north, you can switch satellites and still under precise alignment. For sats 110 & 119 an offset bracket is installed to accept both LNB's.
Georgios

 

[SantiagoDR]

I use the Digisat III LCD Pro by Perfect 10.

I have two receivers, too many problems using same dishes for both, always get interaction when changing channels on the opposite FTA box. Using CB200b LNB?s and Chitas 2041 switches, but interaction still persists. That is why I tried to put 2 sats on one dish and keep the systems independent of each other.

 

[DunHill]

DISH has a lot of Maps and Ecms (electronic counter measure) in the stream and is also playing with their new provider info.
BEV is starting the/a cardswap, what is not good for stable pirate tv.

Don't expect your fta receiver, atmega or emulator, to stay alive for a long time, there are a lot of changes in the air.

Alternative for the time being:
G10R at 123, it does not has always the most sophisticated programs but at least you have some tv, and it is always free
Just move the dish a little to the right and a lot down, but let somebody with experience do that.

 

[webmacon]

22 khz switches

I use the Digisat III LCD Pro by Perfect 10.

I have two receivers, too many problems using same dishes for both, always get interaction when changing channels on the opposite FTA box. Using CB200b LNB?s and Chitas 2041 switches, but interaction still persists. That is why I tried to put 2 sats on one dish and keep the systems independent of each other.

Hi SantiagoDR.

Use 22khz switch like a 4x4 and you can connect up to 4 receivers with no interference at all .... The cb2000b works just great, believe it or not, I have here in Jarabacoa a 4 ft dish with 2 lnb's on it, the 8,10 in the middle and the cb200b on the side .... always TV.

Just adjusted yesterday 3 dishes on santiago with no sat finder .... just a cell phone and in just a few minutes it was all done, you just need to know how to tighten the dish so it doesn't screw up the allignment again, i think this is the biggest mistake installers do here, or leaving screws loose so they get some future business.

Hope this will help you.

 

[georgios]

Align dish with cell phone

Hi SantiagoDR.

Use 22khz switch like a 4x4 and you can connect up to 4 receivers with no interference at all .... The cb2000b works just great, believe it or not, I have here in Jarabacoa a 4 ft dish with 2 lnb's on it, the 8,10 in the middle and the cb200b on the side .... always TV.

Just adjusted yesterday 3 dishes on santiago with no sat finder .... just a cell phone and in just a few minutes it was all done, you just need to know how to tighten the dish so it doesn't screw up the allignment again, i think this is the biggest mistake installers do here, or leaving screws loose so they get some future business.

Hope this will help you.

I assume you were on the cell phone with someone inside the house, in front of the TV, telling you the signal strenght as you adjust the dish. I did that too. I also used a small portable TV and the FTA receiver right next to the dish. Those small flat screens for the kitchen counter are perfect for this.

It may hold some truth about the local dish installers leaving the screws loose for future business... sad situation.

Another issue is the skew angle. Most installers don't bother to worry about this. The skew angle is important & keeps rain fade to a minimum. Needless to say that other obstacles like tree branches, roof overhungs, clotheslines, overgrown grasses and lack of dish surface regular cleaning from debris, dust & mud can affect a good signal reception. Keep your switches away from rain and too much sun exposure. The sensetive electronics inside the LNB are subject to corrosion & spider webs - seal all seams with clear silicone.

Georgios

 

[SantiagoDR]

Hi SantiagoDR.

Use 22khz switch like a 4x4 and you can connect up to 4 receivers with no interference at all ....

The reason I did not do this in the past was that one of my old FTA receivers did not handle 22khz switching. I have the switch from DTV days.

Fortunately it was the Pansat 2500 that did not do the 22khz switching.

Now just have to figure out what settings to do on each receiver using the 4x4 22khz switch.

Thanks

Don ♥ SantiagoDR

 

[georgios]

Pansat 2500...old tech.

The reason I did not do this in the past was that one of my old FTA receivers did not handle 22khz switching. I have the switch from DTV days.

Fortunately it was the Pansat 2500 that did not do the 22khz switching.

Now just have to figure out what settings to do on each receiver using the 4x4 22khz switch.

Thanks

Don ♥ SantiagoDR

Hey Santiago,

Try to get your hands on the NFusion receiver. Perhaps a friend flying in from Canada or the US could bring it. The Pansat & Coolsat & Viewsat are old and forgotten up here. Simply install the 1.43 bin, scan the birds and never have to touch it again. I have it since the new year...NEVER went down.

BTW, the NFusion has a loop connection at the back from where you could branch off your Pansat.

Salud,
Georgios

 

[Adrian Bye]

After reading such a long thread - doesn't anyone have a 12' or 16' dish to test these?

How much do the big dishes cost? Where can we buy them? I looked on ebay and could only find small dishes.

 

[Chris]

A 12 foot dish is around US$16,000 retail - reasonably good quality. KU Band, RX/TX feed stabilization .6F/D, with OMT and TRF. I have to check the manual to get weight for shipping. It won't be a cheap test and the installation would need to be specified correctly as you need to mount this on a pole planted in concrete. So Adrian, neither a cheap nor a quicky test.

Aha, multi-tasking .. shipping weight is 1,780 pounds or 808 kg. You can buy them from us.

 

[Adrian Bye]

ok. Maybe you could test that for us and let us know if it works.

 

[Chris]

Sure, will do that immediately! :cheeky:

Oh the dish works for sure. Where you want to point it to might not work.
There are cheaper dishes of this size. Prices are different as well for the 'band' that you want to utilize - C band may be a little cheaper, X band I've never used and there are differences between receive only and receive/transmit. 8 Foot is considerably cheaper. 16 Foot would be special order for sure.

Any other questions I could answer for you sir? A 12 foot receive only would be US$4,000. And now I'm going back to work!

 

[Adrian Bye]

So how much to get the 2,000 channels others discussed in this thread?
What quality will it be?

 

[Chris]

Not sure AdrianB, as we don't mess too much with the one way stuff like television. Dunhill will have a better idea as he does this from time to time. I wrote him an email to ask the question already.

 

[DunHill]

1st:
choose your dish
Satcom Resources Satellite Antennas C-Band Ku-Band Tx Rx

2nd:
ask for the price of your "Ku-Rx only-??Msize" dish

3rd:
find a way to get a 1.8m or bigger dish to bring into this country
(L.A.Union, Bronx, NY does it rather cheap without surprises)

4th:
Create a concrete platform (please more cement than sand - and let it dry slowly 4-7 days - DON'T listen to anybody who tells you that it can be quicker)

5th:
Buy a galvanised pipe and let someone weld with COPPER (not iron = rust) a base under it, specially for those oversised dishes you need quality !

Mount everything together and start searching the sky.

Question is .. is the amount of money used to setup something like dish, still makes you watch relaxed tv ??

 

[georgios]

Satellite dish tips for better signal reception

1st:
choose your dish
Satcom Resources Satellite Antennas C-Band Ku-Band Tx Rx

2nd:
ask for the price of your "Ku-Rx only-??Msize" dish

3rd:
find a way to get a 1.8m or bigger dish to bring into this country
(L.A.Union, Bronx, NY does it rather cheap without surprises)

4th:
Create a concrete platform (please more cement than sand - and let it dry slowly 4-7 days - DON'T listen to anybody who tells you that it can be quicker)

5th:
Buy a galvanised pipe and let someone weld with COPPER (not iron = rust) a base under it, specially for those oversised dishes you need quality !

Mount everything together and start searching the sky.

Question is .. is the amount of money used to setup something like dish, still makes you watch relaxed tv ??

Hello Dunhill,
I think you make this sound like a big project but really it's not. Yes, a cement pad may be required (unless a flat roof is available). The pole is not a must (only used for motorized dishes). A simple steel frame will do and preffered for better wind deflection. Perforated parabola panels are nice.

I would think a 2.2M or 6 foot dish is a good choice. Not sure if they are sold in the DR but I have seen a few in SDG. Homemade dishes are possible but some skills are needed for success. Don't search the sky, use a sat finder or your own sat receiver to pick-up the signal. That's it.

Tips for good signal reception;
1. Avoid controllable losses such as;
a. Cable Loss: There is some loss for every foot of cable used (longer length = bigger loss)

b. Splitter Loss: Occurs every time the signal coming from the antenna is split. To operate two TV sets - using a two-way splitter reduces the signal 30%; for four TV sets, using a four-way splitter reduces the signal 60%.

c. If you suspect your desired Satellite signal level is too low you may want to consider a In-Line Pre-Amplifier, also known as: "Inline Satellite Dish Signal Amplifier". You can find them new for about $3. Pre-Amps also help overcome long coax runs too. Considering all the dB losses thru the coax line, connectors, motor, switch(es), etc. A Pre-Amp may really make the difference for you, but keep in mind that the LNB, Pre-Amp and Switch all demand power. If you have a super long coax run you may be starving for voltage already. The addition of a Pre-Amp (if starving for voltage) may only show a slight improvement on your Meters because it's not working at peak efficiency.Install your Pre-Amp right after your LNB ~ never at the receiver where you have already suffered your Switch and coax line losses. Make SURE the Pre-Amp is designed for Satellite Frequencies because many Pre-Amps are designed for UHF/VHF/FM ONLY! Because they are identical in size and appearance use care when selecting yours! Read the specifications and look for those designed to include the 950MHz thru 2400 MHz range.
RCA Pre-Amps appear to work best.

d. King?s Rain Shield / Fade Solution. Too much rain lately? Sat signal fading?
This is a spray type solution, link Kings Contgrol Rain Shield / Fade satellite dish solution

e. Check signal strength after a very windy period. The dish might need fine tuning. Inspect your cables for cuts. Look for corrosion, paint rust spots.

Hope this helps.

Georgios

 

[Chris]

Hello Dunhill,
I think you make this sound like a big project but really it's not.

Georgios, up to now, I've been gentle with you. Now, tell me, how many dishes of what standard and of what quality and is still working have you installed in central america and the caribbean? No really, give me the number. Between Dunhill and us, we must have installed well over 300, of all kinds of sizes and applications, for very large businesses, mission critical applications, closed private corporate television channels, vsat, running voice over ip, running large wans etc etc. Dunhill is a particular technical specialist in this field.

No, dishes are neither made nor sold in the DR. The ones that are made in the DR, are backyard jobs, out of true with home made feed arms that work when they want to work.

Now, there where you are in Canada, it sure is not a big project. Here where we are in the Dominican Republic and other islands it is a damn big project. So, now I'm going to tell you again that where you are, you may know what you are talking about, but where we are, you sure don't know a thing. The issues start with bringing the equipment across the borders, then getting it out of customs sticky little hands, etc etc.

Now, before I get rude, believe me, you don't really know what you are talking about if you move yourself to our neck of the woods. If you believe you know what you are talking about, please tell me how many installations you've done in the Caribbean. Both Dunhill and I know that you do not know what you are talking about.

Btw, do you know why both Arjan and I want a dish this size on a pole in the ground in the DR or any other hurricane prone area? Or setting these babies up to hurricane specs?

 

[Adrian Bye]

Dunhill, what is the total project cost to get 2000 channels?