No need for Covid tests for arriving tourists

TropicalPaul

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Basic precautions to keep other people safe isn't BS. There is a word for those who place their own interests ahead of other innocents. Some people would just like to go about their business feeling that everyone is doing all they can to protect each other. It would be nice if those that feel basic precautions are BS would change their minds and consider enduring the slight inconvenience for the sake of those who do not believe that getting the disease will be a "mild infection". We have posters on this forum who can attest to the fact that CV19 can be a lot more than mild infection. Alas for the sake of making a point many are prepared to overlook the glaring number of people who are really sick in hospitals some of whom will not leave alive. Someone's death certainly isn't BS especially if they were infected by some who intentionally chose not to do something to keep others healthy because they find it inconvenient.
The fact, backed up by statistical evidence, is that for the vast majority of adults, Covid does not kill them. I quote from the World Health Authority "Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment, and for the majority – especially for children and young adults – illness due to COVID-19 is generally minor." This is the point that I was making.

And at least in the UK, they have continually said that there is very little evidence to suggest that the use of masks actually helps to reduce the effects of Covid transmission. See the link from the Deputy Chief Medical Officer. Yes social distancing works, and hand washing works, but this obsession with masks and lockdowns and curfews seems to be more about being seen to be doing something than about following a strategy that works. Put simply, masks make people feel like they are doing something, so make them wear them.

 

avloc

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As usual, you’re absolutely correct. Medicare covers nothing outside of the USA. Zero. Zippo. Nada.

We have a SUPPLEMENTAL policy, that has a $250 deductible, for emergency care only. It is only valid the first 90 days we’re out of the country. The year Mr AE had dengue we exceeded the deductible, but never filed, so I can’t say how hard it is to actually get reimbursed.

Whatever he has, it’s not regular Medicare.
UPMC handles my medicare. I pay them the monthly medicare bill. It is not deducted from social security. It is a program where medicare gives them the money, whatever they negotiated and I handle the co-pay plus the monthly fee. It is good all over the world as long as it starts form the emergency room. I have used it twice. Anyone on medicare and lives in UPMC coverage should give them a call. However you must live in the US.
 
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Ad hominem is in the basic toolset of many DR1 posters. And they fall back on it when they are intellectually bankrupt. And I can attest to that personally ‼

I have never made a secret of owning a hotel. Does owning a hotel mean that I should be ignored in all discussions on Covid? And the evidence is very clear (not my opinion, the evidence) that in the vast majority of adults Covid is a very mild illness. I don't think either of these gives you the right to allege that my track record is not great

Health without food, shelter and clothing will not do you much good for very long. "Cash rules everything around me" 💵 - Wu Tang Clan

In my opinion, the rule change is a very hard tack to restore income to the economic imperialists so they can start to pay their workers again. The DRGOV is trying to take care the entire body politic.
 

JD Jones

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86 deaths yesterday; a new record. Gotta wonder how many were really Covid-19.
 
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TropicalPaul

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CV19 being the sole cause of death, hard to say, but CV19 being a contributing factor to each of those deaths, probably 100%

In the UK we have one of the highest death tolls in the world from Covid. Then it started coming out that they were recording anyone who had died who had tested positive, at any time. So people were testing positive, completely recovering, then a few weeks later died in a car crash. Covid death. One woman hung herself, her doctor put down Covid as the cause of death. And there are so many storied of false positive tests. One person got his dog to lick the swab, came out positive. Maybe things are different in the UK to DR, but I suspect these stats are being over-inflated everywhere.
 

william webster

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Has nobody seen the new report on the deaths/
They were not/are not reported for several days..... so they are lumped and bear no relationship
with new cases

The deaths are an accumulation..... The old Gov't made a bit of a mess
New people are unscrambling the omelette .....

They are trying figure WAS reported and how they WILL report......
bit of a read !!

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Today Public Health has not issued the epidemiological bulletin with the update on the situation of COVID-19, to include technical adjustments.

This was reported at noon today by the ministry in a WhatsApp message in which they apologized. «My dear ones. We apologize for the lack of the newsletter. They inform us that work is being done to improve the technical part and it may not be broadcast today. Thank you for your understanding ", says the communication.

It occurs just hours before the press conference in which the vice minister of collective health, Yvelisse Acosta, and the national director of epidemiology, Ronald Skewes, clarified that the number of deaths reported yesterday occurred between July 23 and August 23 .

The intervention of the officials of the new government left more questions than answers and raised concerns about the reality of the pandemic in the country given that, according to the statements made today, deaths are never reported in the 24 hours following death , as always handled.


Now read this new article in Noticias Sin!

COVID-19 reports improvisation, negligence or diffuse processes?

https://noticiassin.com/reportes-covid- … s-difusos/

SANTO DOMINGO.- 168 bulletins and 1,801 deaths later, the Public Health authorities make a clarification that casts doubt on the reliability of the information that has been offered since March on COVID-19 in the country: the deaths reported daily do not correspond to the previous day but includes accumulated .

This situation occurs because to count a death as COVID-19 an investigation process must be opened that requires the issuance of a death certificate .

“ Generally, deaths from COVID are not reported the day they occur because the epidemiology team must follow a process of monitoring and verifying the cause of death. Added to this is that we have to wait several days, and we all know it, to receive the death certificate and with that is that the corresponding investigation is made in the health establishment, "said the vice minister of collective health, Ivelisse Acosta.

He explained it during a press conference called by Public Health to clarify that the 36 deaths reported yesterday - and that the media reported as a new record of deaths in one day - occurred between July 23 and August 23 , 10 days before its disclosure.

“In bulletin 168, corresponding to Wednesday, September 2, 36 deaths were reported. These deaths that were reported that day, because it is the day that they fell into the notification system, occurred between July 23 and August 23, "said the official.

But it was not an isolated case but rather, according to the explanations offered by Acosta and by the national director of epidemiology, Ronald Skewes, " the explanation in relation to these 36 is the same in relation to others because it is the same process ."

This means, according to the current authorities, that the bulletins have never reflected the daily reality of the deaths but of those that "fall" into the system .

In this context, it is valid to remember that on several occasions the former minister, Rafael Sánchez Cárdenas, drew the attention of the clinics and the provincial health directorates due to delays in the daily reports .

As the minister explained at the time, each bulletin reflected what happened until 4:00 in the afternoon the day before.

In fact, journalists sometimes asked him if the death of one or another person was included in the figures provided and his answer was that it was not, that it had occurred after the cutoff time and that therefore it would be in the bulletin the next day.

But on one occasion Sánchez Cárdenas clarified that there were delays reflected in a bulletin.

“In press conferences I have been ratifying clinics and hospitals that they have to abide by the regulations that establish 24 hours to make the report to the National Epidemiological Surveillance System. That gives effectiveness, that gives clarity and blocks the way for those who want to use this epidemic to make politics or any kind of opinion, "he said at the time, but did not say that it was the usual thing.

And there is more. Speaking today of the reason behind these reporting dynamics, Acosta said that the delays cannot be attributed to staff failures. However, when complaining about the faults of this type, Sánchez Cárdenas emphatically condemned the action and even said that it was a matter of staff lags.

" Being able to notify a death practically in real time implies an extraordinary effort and we all know the limitations that our health system has ," Acosta said today.

But he said that they are working to improve that, that the statistics team will make changes in the report to include lines that give greater clarity to the figures. "We are not going to spare the effort to provide reliable and transparent quality information", he promised.

The complexity of these clarifications is that they leave public opinion with more questions than answers about the data handled so far.

Among these concerns, it can be mentioned that it is not known for sure which months and days have been with the highest number of deaths from COVID-19 , because they explained today that when receiving a death report they include it on the day it occurred. so the published figures are constantly being updated.

That it is unknown what happens, for example, with the deaths that were not notified to the Central Electoral Board due to the closure that the institution had during the pandemic .

It is also not known how far behind the death figures today are.

And, finally, the question remains whether during all this time it was by omission or intentionality that the authorities did not clarify the situation and allowed the press to speak of daily deaths, knowing that, according to now, it is almost impossible to have such a report. updated.

Maybe there have been more deaths and for sure there have been more cases untested.
 

TropicalPaul

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Has nobody seen the new report on the deaths/
They were not/are not reported for several days..... so they are lumped and bear no relationship
with new cases

The deaths are an accumulation..... The old Gov't made a bit of a mess
New people are unscrambling the omelette .....

They are trying figure WAS reported and how they WILL report......
bit of a read !!

==================================================================

Today Public Health has not issued the epidemiological bulletin with the update on the situation of COVID-19, to include technical adjustments.

This was reported at noon today by the ministry in a WhatsApp message in which they apologized. «My dear ones. We apologize for the lack of the newsletter. They inform us that work is being done to improve the technical part and it may not be broadcast today. Thank you for your understanding ", says the communication.

It occurs just hours before the press conference in which the vice minister of collective health, Yvelisse Acosta, and the national director of epidemiology, Ronald Skewes, clarified that the number of deaths reported yesterday occurred between July 23 and August 23 .

The intervention of the officials of the new government left more questions than answers and raised concerns about the reality of the pandemic in the country given that, according to the statements made today, deaths are never reported in the 24 hours following death , as always handled.


Now read this new article in Noticias Sin!

COVID-19 reports improvisation, negligence or diffuse processes?

https://noticiassin.com/reportes-covid- … s-difusos/

SANTO DOMINGO.- 168 bulletins and 1,801 deaths later, the Public Health authorities make a clarification that casts doubt on the reliability of the information that has been offered since March on COVID-19 in the country: the deaths reported daily do not correspond to the previous day but includes accumulated .

This situation occurs because to count a death as COVID-19 an investigation process must be opened that requires the issuance of a death certificate .

“ Generally, deaths from COVID are not reported the day they occur because the epidemiology team must follow a process of monitoring and verifying the cause of death. Added to this is that we have to wait several days, and we all know it, to receive the death certificate and with that is that the corresponding investigation is made in the health establishment, "said the vice minister of collective health, Ivelisse Acosta.

He explained it during a press conference called by Public Health to clarify that the 36 deaths reported yesterday - and that the media reported as a new record of deaths in one day - occurred between July 23 and August 23 , 10 days before its disclosure.

“In bulletin 168, corresponding to Wednesday, September 2, 36 deaths were reported. These deaths that were reported that day, because it is the day that they fell into the notification system, occurred between July 23 and August 23, "said the official.

But it was not an isolated case but rather, according to the explanations offered by Acosta and by the national director of epidemiology, Ronald Skewes, " the explanation in relation to these 36 is the same in relation to others because it is the same process ."

This means, according to the current authorities, that the bulletins have never reflected the daily reality of the deaths but of those that "fall" into the system .

In this context, it is valid to remember that on several occasions the former minister, Rafael Sánchez Cárdenas, drew the attention of the clinics and the provincial health directorates due to delays in the daily reports .

As the minister explained at the time, each bulletin reflected what happened until 4:00 in the afternoon the day before.

In fact, journalists sometimes asked him if the death of one or another person was included in the figures provided and his answer was that it was not, that it had occurred after the cutoff time and that therefore it would be in the bulletin the next day.

But on one occasion Sánchez Cárdenas clarified that there were delays reflected in a bulletin.

“In press conferences I have been ratifying clinics and hospitals that they have to abide by the regulations that establish 24 hours to make the report to the National Epidemiological Surveillance System. That gives effectiveness, that gives clarity and blocks the way for those who want to use this epidemic to make politics or any kind of opinion, "he said at the time, but did not say that it was the usual thing.

And there is more. Speaking today of the reason behind these reporting dynamics, Acosta said that the delays cannot be attributed to staff failures. However, when complaining about the faults of this type, Sánchez Cárdenas emphatically condemned the action and even said that it was a matter of staff lags.

" Being able to notify a death practically in real time implies an extraordinary effort and we all know the limitations that our health system has ," Acosta said today.

But he said that they are working to improve that, that the statistics team will make changes in the report to include lines that give greater clarity to the figures. "We are not going to spare the effort to provide reliable and transparent quality information", he promised.

The complexity of these clarifications is that they leave public opinion with more questions than answers about the data handled so far.

Among these concerns, it can be mentioned that it is not known for sure which months and days have been with the highest number of deaths from COVID-19 , because they explained today that when receiving a death report they include it on the day it occurred. so the published figures are constantly being updated.

That it is unknown what happens, for example, with the deaths that were not notified to the Central Electoral Board due to the closure that the institution had during the pandemic .

It is also not known how far behind the death figures today are.

And, finally, the question remains whether during all this time it was by omission or intentionality that the authorities did not clarify the situation and allowed the press to speak of daily deaths, knowing that, according to now, it is almost impossible to have such a report. updated.

Maybe there have been more deaths and for sure there have been more cases untested.
Surely they could record the date of death and therefore produce accurate day-by-day figures, even though there would be a lag in getting them to be accurate.
 

johne

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They could report a death (maybe because this data is received from...who?) but they can't attribute ALL deaths to Covid.
 

Caonabo

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You never could trust that the numbers reported were accurate or reflective of reality.

:unsure:
Have people not been playing tug of war over this issue for 6 months now?
It's good to see that SOME are starting to realize the truth.
Now, open the businesses to their full extent, and let's resume normal life for all.
 

taha16

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Have people not been playing tug of war over this issue for 6 months now?
It's good to see that SOME are starting to realize the truth.
Now, open the businesses to their full extent, and let's resume normal life for all.

Absolutely people who live on daily wages are finding it diffcult to make both ends meet, i know there are many hard working people who suffered quite a lot in these past 6 months.
 
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chico bill

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Stop the presses - now the tourism minister says an Israeli breath test for Covid will be administered if the tourist doesn't have a negative report (yeah right).
I wonder if they will also test for drunks who may be getting into a rent-a-car ?

And they are ready to "jump start tourism". They are going to need a defibrillator for that.
 

chico bill

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There was an article on the interweb today that some areas are starting to reach herd immunity levels.
I think we can safely open, eliminate curfews and the numbers of infected will not be negativley affected.

The time for scaring people with statistics has ended. No one is listening anymore. It's like a nagging wife after 25 years of marriage - the inner ear filter is set to 'mute'
 
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Cdn_Gringo

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The new normal involves doing what you can to limit the spread of the virus to other people as you go about your daily routine. That's just the social thing to do. Maintain a good distance, where a mask indoors or in crowded spaces and keep your hands clean. It's not ok to be cavalier and make others sick just because you can't be bothered or don't care.
 

zoomzx11

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Why!!
Doctors are in a conspiracy to mis state cause of death over their signature?
No you dont "gotta wonder"
Unless you are looking to destroy people's faith in doctors ,health care and fuel unsupported nonsense
conspiracies.
Doctors sign cause of death certificates.
I believe all foreigners who die in the DR are also autopsied for evidence of cause of death.



86 deaths yesterday; a new record. Gotta wonder how many were really Covid-19.
 

johne

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Why!!
Doctors are in a conspiracy to mis state cause of death over their signature?
No you dont "gotta wonder"
Unless you are looking to destroy people's faith in doctors ,health care and fuel unsupported nonsense
conspiracies.
Doctors sign cause of death certificates.
I believe all foreigners who die in the DR are also autopsied for evidence of cause of death.
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Re: autopsied "believe" or know for a fact?