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Orgullo ............ but I run
Well said, AlterEgo. My northern European ancestors left their nations and poor economic options for the U.S. Conversely, my wife's Dominican family are medical doctors, lawyers and professors. They wouldn't dream of living anywhere but the DR. They have gorgeous apartments in Manhattan and Miami for visits, just as we have a gorgeous home in the DR. In grade school, we learned to respect immigrants and their arduous journeys to the new land. New York City had an Italian hospital, paid for by U.S. taxpayers, wherein Italian citizens were treated for free. The thought of NYC having a similar set up today for Dominicans would make people's heads explode.
age makes no difference in the subject of pride.
and trust, poland has such high number of university graduates the MA title is meaningless.
dv8 all due respect but you have a one track mind. Get off the north coast with the land of old grey haired gringos with young putas. Spend some time in Santiago, Jarabacoa, or my beloved Santo Domingo and to much of your surprise there are a LOT of retired "gringos" who live here and enjoy a normal way of life.
yes, the title might be meaningless in Poland, but it sure counts for more than a high school diploma from El Limon high school. i went on a job hunt in 1978, with an Honors degree from the University of the West Indies, and a graduate Diploma in Business Adminstration. they offered me a job at the law firm of Philips Nizer to make and serve coffee. those were the days when jobs were plentiful. i hate to think what it must be like looking for work today.
with due respect, familiarize yourself with sarcasm. it may be more common on the north coast, with the gringo population but travel to sosua or puerto plata and experience it.
Reminds me of the conversation I had with a lovely young lady who wants to come to the US to work, but has no connections or job prospects, and she can not speak English.
I tried to convince her it was a bad idea and she should focus on educating herself first.
She thought the idea was doable because she had saved$200 (to pay bills) and she could learn English later....:ermm:
I tried to convince her it was a bad idea and she should focus on educating herself first.
She thought the idea was doable because she had saved$200 (to pay bills) and she could learn English later....:ermm:
People are nostalgic for the land of their youth, their homeland, their home of days past. This is true for everyone, not just Dominicans living abroad. The fact is life in the DR, or life in any developing nation in general, is more difficult than life in a developed country. Crime, or the threat of it, is a constant pall. Money and resources are generally less abundant. The value of life in the DR is less than it is in developed countries. No amount of cocos, romo and playas can make up for these basic shortcomings. And these shortcomings are what make people leave.
And I will add that there is a big difference in wealth between the average ex-pat and the average Dominican trying to make a living. These are two totally incomparable populations that need to be examined independently from each other in light of the original question.
"Moving on up" as George Jefferson proclaimed. I am sure eating Rice and beans on a dirt floor gets old after 40 years....
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The memory of home where you grew up will never leave you.The taste, smell, noise along with affection and pride are natural emotions. How is one to force change of political and economic structures by burning tires?
One life live it!
This is easier to accomplish by emigrating to the US, Can, Germany where upon arrival infrastructure is in place and everything works. Anyone who is not lazy can work their way up.
Income and job opportunities are far superior to those available in the DR.
You made your money in the US (a guess) live in your beloved S.D. and wax poetically about people being week minded and running away. Evidently life has not taught you to understand the culture you now live in and the reasons why the US and Europe progressed.How can you extrapolate the results of highly developed countries to the DR. Even if people were to work on structural change in the DR it would not occur in their life time.
It's a far stretch to achieve economic and political growth in the small island Nation of 10.6 million.
The memory of home where you grew up will never leave you.The taste, smell, noise along with affection and pride are natural emotions. How is one to force change of political and economic structures by burning tires?
One life live it!
This is easier to accomplish by emigrating to the US, Can, Germany where upon arrival infrastructure is in place and everything works. Anyone who is not lazy can work their way up.
Income and job opportunities are far superior to those available in the DR.
You made your money in the US (a guess) live in your beloved S.D. and wax poetically about people being week minded and running away. Evidently life has not taught you to understand the culture you now live in and the reasons why the US and Europe progressed.How can you extrapolate the results of highly developed countries to the DR. Even if people were to work on structural change in the DR it would not occur in their life time.
It's a far stretch to achieve economic and political growth in the small island Nation of 10.6 million.
Well at least when you get to the land of good and plenty call it like it is. Say your beloved la rep dom is shyte without opportunities and a bunch of people who are too afraid to make changes. Stop waving the flag and saying orgullo por la rep dom........
Section 8 is the first stop. Flip burgers is second.
There is more to a nation than its economic standing. These "flag wavers" may be envisioning the mother that nursed them, the uncle that took walks with them and a priest that listened. There is a difference between a sense of pride and a sense of superiority. Pride is enviable.
There's more to a country, a culture, and an identity than money. But, some people like money a lot, that doesn't mean they turn their backs to their country. It simply means that they are somewhere else due to the money. Take the money away and they are among the first to leave the USA because deep down they don't really care for the USA.
If there is a good analogy, think of the 'gold digger.' She loves a particular man, but the one she joins is not the one for whom she has feelings, but the one with the money. That doesn't mean she stops loving the man she truly loves, nor that she now truly loves the man with the money. If he was to lose his money, she leaves him at the drop of a pin.
If a situation arises where the man with the money competes with the love of her life, deep down inside she feels happy if the love of her life wins or dissatisfied if the love of her life loses. Similar to when DR and USA compete in certain sports, most Dominicans in the USA root for the DR.
Any clearer than that I think is impossible to explain.
big bird .. I like everthing you write on this parcular subject and I am in agreement with NAL . I spent some years in Australia ,the multicultural country and at every available opportunity there were large numbers of naturalised Australians proudly waving the flags of their origon but no more so than in soccer games . It is not a black and white situation because people can hold strong loyalties and much pride for two countries , at the same time . I am with big bird in that I love my life here and am a happy and proud citizen but also I am immensely proud of the history of Britain and of the wonderful Queen Elizabeth 11
So NAL's according to your analogy, Dominican Americans (or those fleeing to the US) are basically the equivalent of a "Gold Digger".....Hmmm food for thought
Exactly my point...................
I have talked with quite a few Dominicanos who live in the states and like you said Nals, they only there for the cash-o-la. Even though in most cases it is flipping burgers money. Well except for you and Pichardo.
This is part of it. Effort on anything constructive is just not in their forte. But to be honest, Jamaicans werent so receptive to Marcus Garvey when he came with the message of Liberation economics. It was pretty much the same thing, with everyone hoping to get a pass to go to London.
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