our Haitian gardener/pool guy got picked up

bob saunders

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I don't known what the big deal is about doing construction work? After I got out of high school, I needed some money. My friends and I heard of a construction job that was hiring. Minimum wage. It was in the middle of summer with many days in the 90's. It was hot, hard work. No different than what Haitians are doing here. No immigrants on the job legal or otherwise - just Americans. If I and my friends could do it - anyone can.
Yep, spent 4 month tarring flat roofs, then a year pulling chockers on a high lead logging show. Carrying a 75 lb block and tackle uphill through logging slash is lots of fun.https://youtu.be/7xxO0c2z6ak?t=19
 

JD Jones

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Absolutely! I'm too old now, but if I were a young Dominican or Haitian and needed money, I would! I had to continue to live with my parents with the minimum wage I received back then I needed the money and that's what was available.. Then, myself and two friends were able to rent a small, not so nice apartment and I had to buy my own food.

This whole concept of a minimum wage being a "living wage" didn't exist when I was growing up. No way was I, or anyone else back then going to be buying a house and driving a nice on minimum wage, but that's what all these snowflakes expect today for knowing nothing and having zero skills.
I (and many of my age group) was raised with the mindset I had to be productive. Any kind of work was better than sitting around doing nothing. When I had jobs I hated, I did them until I found something better.
My first job was when I was 13 years old sweeping a parking lot. I still remember it to this day.
From there to pumping gas and learned how to fix and balance tires and change oil in a small gas station.
Then working in a Western Auto Store until I joined the military at 17.
I'd still be working now if I didn't have my vaccine strokes.
 
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windeguy

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This is simple for Haiti. Take them all back. Document them and let them apply for work visas. 1. 2. 3.

End of problem.
As I understand it the DR government is not issuing work visas for Haitians, but some posted they got them.
Certainly there is conflcting information in the news. What is the maximum duration of a work visa for a Haitian?
 

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Interesting development today while I was at the gym in San Isidro. Migracion came to my Haitian kid's (Kenson) girlfriend's neighborhood to do a round up. I had the car so Kenson had to call our goto taxi guy, a Dominicano, in an emergency. He went beyond the call of duty to find circuitous routes to get girlfriend and bring her to the house. Kind of a close call for her. It sucks for them to live like this.
 

MariaRubia

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Can I be a bit controversial and say that this country has literally had an invasion of Haitians since the troubles started there. Abinader has been screaming at the international community for help and very little has been forthcoming. 1 in 3 births in public hospitals are for illegal Haitians. The country has the right to remove these illegals and is doing so. To be honest I would not be surprised if they make it a criminal offence to employ Haitians in the near future, this usually comes next after a crackdown on illegals.

It is a real shame when you know one of the people who is affected, but this has been a long time coming.
 

MariaRubia

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We are actually trying to do that. The "contribution" is 15,000 DR pesos. We all agreed to chip in

Strongly advise you not to get involved in giving money to the police unless you are Dominican. You definitely need a local, and ideally a powerful one, to do that type of stuff, and you definitely don't want your name associated with this unless you want a line of police holding their hands out outside your door every day. There are some things that expats should stay well away from.
 

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Can I be a bit controversial and say that this country has literally had an invasion of Haitians since the troubles started there. Abinader has been screaming at the international community for help and very little has been forthcoming. 1 in 3 births in public hospitals are for illegal Haitians. The country has the right to remove these illegals and is doing so. To be honest I would not be surprised if they make it a criminal offence to employ Haitians in the near future, this usually comes next after a crackdown on illegals.

It is a real shame when you know one of the people who is affected, but this has been a long time coming.
UK did something like this, at least from like 10 years ago. They called it a 'hostile environment' where fines up to £10000 per illegal worker were issued.
Was supposed to deter both worker exploitation and illegal immigration but enforcement is not that much. I do know a restaurant that paid £60000 in fines for employing visa overstayers. But given the amount of 'refugees' coming in and being housed by the local governments, I would say it is not having much effect at all. Some councils (local government) are spending huge amounts of their budgets on housing these 'refugees' to the point of bankruptcy/cutting back services but wont help the homeless or the local residents with housing.
I like the idea of helping people of other countries but not to the detriment of one's own citizens
 

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Our Haitian gardener who also maintains the pools in our Las Terrenas complex just got picked up from the street and is in jail in a nearby town. From there, he'll be deported. He's been with us since 2012 and has worked for his patron for the last 20 years in total. His wife and infant daughter are still in the village somewhere, hiding I'm guessing. With no means of support. He was dependable as a Timex watch and just wanted a better life for his family.

It's a tragic situation
Relax !..... he will be back in a few days. See it as "Unpaid vacation"
 

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I don't known what the big deal is about doing construction work? After I got out of high school, I needed some money. My friends and I heard of a construction job that was hiring. Minimum wage. It was in the middle of summer with many days in the 90's. It was hot, hard work. No different than what Haitians are doing here. No immigrants on the job legal or otherwise - just Americans. If I and my friends could do it - anyone can.
I did it for many years then started building homes for myself and still framed in the hot sun of California.
But today's softies and metro sexuals are not tough enough to do this work.
I blame social media and coddling politicians.
Gen Z all think they will become rich social influencers, and why not - seems babbling word salads takes you to the top.
 

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.... after making a "donation" to the government official (13,000DP) , our Haitian gardener was released last week. He had been in a holding cell in a town on the north coast.

Now the hard part comes - trying to get him to work in our community without getting nabbed again.
 
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.... after making a "donation" to the government official (13,000DP) , our Haitian gardener was released last week. He had been in a holding cell in a town on the north coast.

Now the hard part comes - trying to get him to work in our community without getting nabbed again.

Of course he will be nabbed again, Christmas is coming, they know there are some lovely gringos willing to part with RD$ 13,000 a pop to get him released. Join the dots.
 

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As mentioned before, I think that is very likely, A side thought...how long before an investigative reporter does a credible story on this corruption within the Migracion/Policia? I recall reading somewhere in one of these threads that Migracion was saying they were not going to tolerate it. Anecdotes are one thing, but verified instances of these bribes would carry some weight in the media and public opinion
 
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As mentioned before, I think that is very likely, A side thought...how long before an investigative reporter does a credible story on this corruption within the Migracion/Policia? I recall reading somewhere in one of these threads that Migracion was saying they were not going to tolerate it. Anecdotes are one thing, but verified instances of these bribes would carry some weight in the media and public opinion
Add to that the businesses that knowingly employ illegal Haitians. They are just as guilty.
 
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I had a friend who was military and involved in deportations for a while. I remember him saying that all of his crew had been taken into a room and told by one of the top bosses that if any of them were found taking backhanders they would end up in jail and then dismissed. But the reaction was that they needed to be more careful and take the backhanders in a more subtle way. This type of corruption is so embedded it's not easy to get rid of. And there certainly are many many Haitians who are being deported, that's for sure. Clearly there is a percentage that "escapes" after money changes hands, but many others are sent back across the border.

After so many years here, I find the one thing Dominicans love is a bit of bluster. Minister makes a big news announcement, always surrounded by about 30 people who want to get their faces in the photo. Massive crack down on (insert scandal) for two or three weeks, then slowly everyone gets bored and it's back to business as usual. Same with noise. Same with car tax. Trucks on the Malecon. Public schools. Things get slowly slowly better, but dramatic change very rarely sticks.
 
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.... after making a "donation" to the government official (13,000DP) , our Haitian gardener was released last week. He had been in a holding cell in a town on the north coast.

Now the hard part comes - trying to get him to work in our community without getting nabbed again.
Congratulations.
You have played a role in furthering corruption and facilitation of human trafficking.
A problem the Dominican government (at the top) appears to be very interested in eradicating.
100% he'll be deported again and next time he may do some jail time (according to the new bill if passed)
if they captured his bio-metrics.