Remember that Gays are not the only one pedofiles, also straight guys can be pedofiles with girls.
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Papal Nuncio vs US Ambassador
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Remember that Gays are not the only one pedofiles, also straight guys can be pedofiles with girls.
The ambassador represents the country he's from. The US has finally embraced same-sex marriage and the appointment of a gay man with a husband is the natural progression. Nothing more. You can read into it all you want but it's a simple reality that the times have changed.
i spoke to a polish diplomat a while ago. some positions are political appointments, in the past more so than now. therefore diplomats would not necessarily speak the language of the country where their post is. different reasons would come into play in choosing a person for a position in different areas, from political favours to certain set of skills.
the case of the nuncio it's damn if you do and damn if you don't type of situation. he has the right to present his views as much as american ambassador. if he invited over the guy with his husband some people would be just as unhappy as others are now. and it's just a stupid dinner, for crying out loud. the fate of the world does not depend on it. not even the fate of the nuncio nor the ambassador. so who cares?
the case of the nuncio it's damn if you do and damn if you don't type of situation. he has the right to present his views as much as american ambassador. if he invited over the guy with his husband some people would be just as unhappy as others are now. and it's just a stupid dinner, for crying out loud. the fate of the world does not depend on it. not even the fate of the nuncio nor the ambassador. so who cares?
I?m not talking about reasons for getting appointed. I?m asking if there?s any guidelines to follow for someone to be sent to a particular country.
I guess you missed understood the news, as far as I know all the problem was because the Nuncio did not invite the USA ambassador, and no body else confirmed will go because of that.
Hey this was on the evening news the other day and they said the problem was that they didn?t invite the husband. The ambassador did get invited!
Balls have nothing to do with it other than the fact that some people think that there should be twice as many on the invitation than indicated.
There were U.S. Ambassadors to Australia, Spain and Denmark chosen at the same time as the U.S. Ambassador to the D.R. who are also all openly Gay and I haven't heard a peep out of any of those countries in opposition.
Those diplomats have done nothing to disrespect anyone or anything and if someone feels that they've been "disrespected" by the mere presence of someone who has never done anything to wrong them then maybe a little therapy is necessary.
During the last two Presidencies, political appointees have accounted for about 30% of ambassador posts. Not speaking the language has no influence whatsoever regarding the appointmeny of non-career diplomats. Caroline Kennedy, another Obama appointee has the same lack of proficiency in the Japanese language as the U.S. Ambassador to Japan as her predecessor, Howard Baker did under the "W" administration.
Nobody cares. There is an entire staff of career State Department personnel there, at each embassy who are well qualified to handle the day-to-day embassy affairs in the language of the host countries. The Ambassador is merely a figurehead and too many People have gotten their panties in a knot over some perceived "offense" which never occurred. They'll just have to grow up and face the fact that everyone doesn't believe in their "boogeymen".
That is the case for many but not all diplomatic posts. Plus, ambassadors often use their own wealth for parties and such. For our most important posts like russia, china we need career people. Japan gest Caroline kennedy. Her wealth and prestige add value to her limitd political skills. Barbados, DR, Sweden, lichtenstein get donors as a payback to the president. That's why i prefer public funding of elections and a much shorter campaign season.
Of what I have been seeing Obama's choices for many of the Ambassadorial spots are based on friendships and donations. What happen to sending people that actually are there to make a difference in relations. Sending a gay man to the DR makes little sense to me. When their lifestyle starts to overshadow there office duties than I think it starts to be a poor choice. Let's start focusing on real issues, like poverty and living conditions. Quite frankly, it seems that people are more interested in gay lifestyle issues than more pressing issues. I am really not interested in Brewster's lifestyle. I don't think he will be around for very long.
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One thing to remember is that a lot of the world does not see the gay rights issue as the Western world sees it. Are there views wrong? They would argue that they also have the right to see it their way. In Uganda they have recently gone to the extreeme making gay people criminals. This is __cked up. I think bringing this issue to the forefront has pushed some so called religious
right countries to put up barriers and create very restrictive laws. I don't think a lot of gay people will really want to be citizens of these countries anyway but some have no choice .
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right countries to put up barriers and create very restrictive laws. I don't think a lot of gay people will really want to be citizens of these countries anyway but some have no choice .
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Y'all need to meditate.
1st of all it's not like this President has strayed from Presidential policies in this country from day 1 concerning the appointment of embassy positions. Almost 70% of Ambassador appointments are not political appointments but are career foreign service employees. These 4 Guys aren't the 1st Gay appointees, political or career, that's for sure. Furthermore, in the grand scheme of international affairs where does anyone think the Dominican resentment of a Gay Ambassador ranks? It's not even on the grid. It's not like a Gay Ambassador was appointed to Uganda or any of the other 82 countries where homosexuality is actually illegal, which includes all of Africa except South Africa, much of the Middle East and Asia and 11 Caribbean nations.
If the Dominican Republic was to declare homosexuality illegal then of course the US would pull their Ambassador for a replacement but it would be a very costly move for the sake of proving absolutely nothing. The LGBT community has been a strong support group of the administration and they have earned the perks of political appointment. If people are so worried about Schedule C employment in the federal workforce, why did they wait through 43 other Presidential administrations to start complaining about it. He's not doing anything that #1-#43 did not when it comes to political appointment. You Guys should have known some of the appointee scalawags I had to work with under #41. They were the worst and many of them were just as Gay as these Guys only they enjoyed the duplicity and insincerity of closet life.
1st of all it's not like this President has strayed from Presidential policies in this country from day 1 concerning the appointment of embassy positions. Almost 70% of Ambassador appointments are not political appointments but are career foreign service employees. These 4 Guys aren't the 1st Gay appointees, political or career, that's for sure. Furthermore, in the grand scheme of international affairs where does anyone think the Dominican resentment of a Gay Ambassador ranks? It's not even on the grid. It's not like a Gay Ambassador was appointed to Uganda or any of the other 82 countries where homosexuality is actually illegal, which includes all of Africa except South Africa, much of the Middle East and Asia and 11 Caribbean nations.
If the Dominican Republic was to declare homosexuality illegal then of course the US would pull their Ambassador for a replacement but it would be a very costly move for the sake of proving absolutely nothing. The LGBT community has been a strong support group of the administration and they have earned the perks of political appointment. If people are so worried about Schedule C employment in the federal workforce, why did they wait through 43 other Presidential administrations to start complaining about it. He's not doing anything that #1-#43 did not when it comes to political appointment. You Guys should have known some of the appointee scalawags I had to work with under #41. They were the worst and many of them were just as Gay as these Guys only they enjoyed the duplicity and insincerity of closet life.
Has anything important ever been done by a Papal Nuncio? I suppose they have mediated conflicts on occasion. The Vatican is not internationally significant as a diplomatic entity. Perhaps a tad more than Monaco, Andorra or Liechtenstein, but not by much.
He should just be VERY HAPPY he was not assigned to Uganda!!!!!!!
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I'm actually glad he was sent here, anything to "Pi$$ Off" the Cardinal is just great with me!!!!!
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I'm actually glad he was sent here, anything to "Pi$$ Off" the Cardinal is just great with me!!!!!
It's not random. There is no Gay Ambassador to the following Caribbean nations:
Antigua & Barbuda
Barbados
Belize
Dominica
Grenada
Guyana
Jamaica
St Kitts & Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent & the Grenadines
Trinidad & Tobago
That's because homosexuality is a violation of their criminal codes there. Not so in the Dominican Republic where Gay is on display. Didn't Anderson Cooper have a Dominican boyfriend? A lot of all that "macho" stuff you see going on all around you is just Gay Guys "Butching-up" for appearance sake.
They wouldn't send a Jewish American Ambassador to Saudi Arabia or a Lebanese American Ambassador to Israel because there are particular sensitivities which must be recognized even though they have nothing to do with legality but in this case, with a clearly visible Gay community of its own as evidenced by the brisk Gay tourism there, the Dominican Republic has no grounds for complaint.
I'm sure the Ambassadors of the countries that backed out saw it as a convenient excuse to get out of an awkward dinner at a Bigot's house that they felt obliged to go to. They saw this as a convenient way to get out of it, while gaining favor in their home countries for taking the "moral high ground". The Pope himself has even backed off on the gays saying "who am I to Judge?"
Some people are stuck in the dark ages.
I'm not one for quoting an ancient book that has been adapted and changed many times over the years to suit whom ever was printing it but:
Liviticus says: "If a man lies with a man as he would with a woman, they should both be stoned"
So there you go boys, if ya wanna cuddle up to your best friend, make sure you have a little happy tobacco
Liviticus says: "If a man lies with a man as he would with a woman, they should both be stoned"
So there you go boys, if ya wanna cuddle up to your best friend, make sure you have a little happy tobacco
Especially in light of the circumstances surrounding the resignation of his predecessor.
Pope Benedict's resignation linked to gay conclave: report - NY Daily News
BBC News - Why did Pope Benedict XVI resign?
Pope Benedict a year on: quiet life after making history
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