The point is that instead of calling other people clueless as you previously did, you should have done more reseach.
- Thread starter frank recktenwald
- Start date
Proof that Trujillo didn't kill the Mirabal sisters?
The point is that instead of calling other people clueless as you previously did, you should have done more reseach.
Oh, please. I should have done more research? He didn't know what he was talking about. How do you go from discussing an event that occurred in 1961 by one group of people and then go on about the actions of an entirely different group of people that occured in 1959? He doesn't what he is talking about. He's probably Wiki warrior like you.
You should read more more carefully. And research consists of more than cutting and pasting what you find on Wikpedia.
Next you'll both cut and paste information on the War of 1812...
At least, i knew what he was referencing to when i read his comment, before copying and pasting something to educate you and support his point.
Obviously this Trujillista has been triggered by my comments...
Law and order? Ahhhhhhh.....order...kind of... Law--no. The Dominican Republic under Trujillo was lawless. Everything depended on the whims of El Jefe, not the Rule of Law.
And you weren't supporting anything but his lack of knowledge of the assassination of Trujillo. Ugh.
And next time you cut and paste, acknowledge it.
The latest conspiracy theorism from the Left: https://acento.com.do/2018/opinion/8621525-asesinato-las-hermanas-mirabal/
I'm apolitical. I view history through a neutral lens.
The people involved in the plot to kill Trujillo were not mysteries wrapped in enigmas. They were regular people with normal emotions. I interviewed people on both sides of the event, I believe (yes, my personal belief) that there is nothing left to say about the assassination minus a few minor (if often interesting) details.
The people involved (sigh--I've written this numerous times on this board) had a wide variety of reasons to participate.Some were strictly Dominican patriots; some joined out of revenge, but I believe all of them felt they were trying to save their country.
Speaking with the people who survived, the one thing that stood out to me was how dangerous and terrifying embarking on this effort really was.
Another common thread was the incredible common decency of the people involved and the people who were later caught up in what happened. The Dominican father who returned items looted from General Diaz's house by his son and personally apologizing to Chana Diaz for what his son had done. The Dominicans who risk their lives to come to the aid of those being pursued.
The bravery of the hospital staff as they struggled to save the life of Doctor Reid Cabral while confronting the SIM who had stormed the hospital.
The people who refused to give up the names of conspirators who had escaped the notice (and the drag net) of the SIM (even under torture).
Having had the privileged to interview the actual people, I can tell you, there is nothing much left to say. The people involved in the assassination have always been quite open. Some people did not volunteer their stories for decades for a variety of reasons, the biggest being that no one had ever asked them. That is the reason why there are conflicting accounts.
Some authors have choosen to go with the official Trujillo Regime version of the story.
For example, Trujillo's actions during the ambush. In the books, Trujillo shouted to the driver to stop the car and fight. For years I had believed that Trujillo had died fighting. General Imbert told me that Trujillo was too badly wounded to do anything. The shot gun blast that hit Trujillo as he rode in the back of the car were made up of ball bearings the size marbles. (I confirmed that; I interviewed the Spaniard that made the shot gun shells.)
General Imbert told me that Trujillo's driver/bodyguard had made up that story because he was afraid of Ramis Trujillo. I was told that Ramfis would have blamed him for failing to protect his father.
The truth is that Trujillo was mortally wounded by the first gun blast as he sped along the highway that night. He did emerge from the car during the ambush, but he was grasping the car door and using it to hold himself upright as he pulled himself along side the car. El Jefe never shouted any orders and never fired any of the weapons he had with him that night.
I suppose people will continue to twist this event for their own purposes. As most of the people I interviewed have passed away, they can no longer defend themselves against these conspiracies. However, the written record does exist. I recommend you read it first, and decide for yourself.
The people involved in the plot to kill Trujillo were not mysteries wrapped in enigmas. They were regular people with normal emotions. I interviewed people on both sides of the event, I believe (yes, my personal belief) that there is nothing left to say about the assassination minus a few minor (if often interesting) details.
The people involved (sigh--I've written this numerous times on this board) had a wide variety of reasons to participate.Some were strictly Dominican patriots; some joined out of revenge, but I believe all of them felt they were trying to save their country.
Speaking with the people who survived, the one thing that stood out to me was how dangerous and terrifying embarking on this effort really was.
Another common thread was the incredible common decency of the people involved and the people who were later caught up in what happened. The Dominican father who returned items looted from General Diaz's house by his son and personally apologizing to Chana Diaz for what his son had done. The Dominicans who risk their lives to come to the aid of those being pursued.
The bravery of the hospital staff as they struggled to save the life of Doctor Reid Cabral while confronting the SIM who had stormed the hospital.
The people who refused to give up the names of conspirators who had escaped the notice (and the drag net) of the SIM (even under torture).
Having had the privileged to interview the actual people, I can tell you, there is nothing much left to say. The people involved in the assassination have always been quite open. Some people did not volunteer their stories for decades for a variety of reasons, the biggest being that no one had ever asked them. That is the reason why there are conflicting accounts.
Some authors have choosen to go with the official Trujillo Regime version of the story.
For example, Trujillo's actions during the ambush. In the books, Trujillo shouted to the driver to stop the car and fight. For years I had believed that Trujillo had died fighting. General Imbert told me that Trujillo was too badly wounded to do anything. The shot gun blast that hit Trujillo as he rode in the back of the car were made up of ball bearings the size marbles. (I confirmed that; I interviewed the Spaniard that made the shot gun shells.)
General Imbert told me that Trujillo's driver/bodyguard had made up that story because he was afraid of Ramis Trujillo. I was told that Ramfis would have blamed him for failing to protect his father.
The truth is that Trujillo was mortally wounded by the first gun blast as he sped along the highway that night. He did emerge from the car during the ambush, but he was grasping the car door and using it to hold himself upright as he pulled himself along side the car. El Jefe never shouted any orders and never fired any of the weapons he had with him that night.
I suppose people will continue to twist this event for their own purposes. As most of the people I interviewed have passed away, they can no longer defend themselves against these conspiracies. However, the written record does exist. I recommend you read it first, and decide for yourself.
Last edited:
Ogre...jenmar may be right...
This goes way back when Juan Bosch participated in cayo confites invasion and fidel was one of his soldiers.
When Generalísimo trujillo, formed legion anticomunista,,to invade Cuba..his leader was....General fausto caamano...father of coronel francisco alberto caamano,,,he lived in communist cuba,,same as juan bosch...
The connection w/ communist cuba ..is there.
When the U.S. State department had placed an embargo on cuba in 1958...just when cuba was fighting international terrorists..General trujillo came to help..w/ much needed material..he even offered a contingent of dominicanos to fight the terrorist bandits in cuba...
I personally remember reading the cuban news papers of 1959 when trujillo sent war materials to trinida to help topple the cuban communist dictatorship.
Obviously, there was more than one assassination attempt against Trujillo and the ones I mentioned were commies that were anti Trujillista's....or perhaps you think they were just going to ask Trujillo to politely get off of his seat so that they could take over...**Shrugs**
Such as??? I can't wait to read what you're going to come up with. And before you call someone "triggered" why don't you go back and re-read how many responses you've made on here with, looking exarcebated, angry...Perhaps I should assume you're a commie that got triggered?
Yes, the country needed to be saved from the infrastructure and institutions (standing/working to this day) built under Trujillo, the higher standards of education and living, the non-external debt, the solution to uncontrolled Haitian migration, from the order, discipline and low crime. We are now cheering and basking in the triumphs of all the successive puppet governments and the country being run by a few elites, among them the infamous Vicini's....yes, yes, Trujillo's death really saved DR....
Sometimes I wonder how exactly did Juan Bosch´s mind worked. At one point during a domino match he told Pepin Corripio, who was a close friend, that if he´s successful in his political aspirations he will have to confiscate Corripio´s business. I know he said it so that Corripio wouldn´t be caught offguard when it happens. Why would anyone with plans like those say it to one of the future victims? Back then Corripio´s business wasn´t the large conglomerate it is now, but family owned businesses become part of the family´s identity and honor. To tell someone like that that you will take his business away is akin to telling a mother that you will take her kids. What was Bosch thinking?
Bosch was a very smart man, but I seriously question his ability to strategize. Perhaps that was the real reason he didn´t last in power. Strategy is of extreme importance in politics.
Last edited:
The people in the movement you have been talking about DID NOT kill Trujillo. There were a lot of plots to kill Trujillo over the years, but the communists did not kill him. I haven't been the one talking about them--you have. Trujillo's assassins came from the right. Why do you keep going no about a failed invasion? This thread was never about Juan Bosch or the others you keep mentioning. They had nothing to do with Trujillo's assassination. You don't realize that, so you keep going on about it.
Jennmar, you haven't researched anything. You are just ranting. Why Trujillo did a lot for the country (I've never denied that) the cost in dignity and human blood became to high, and so his people got rid him. Who wrote that first? His former SIM chief General Arturo 'razor' Espaillat. Do you even know who he was?
You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
You are probably the only one this board who would accuse me of being a communist...
I doubt you have any ideology at all. You don't know the history of this country or the Era of Trujillo. You are just saying stupid things.
Jennmar, you haven't researched anything. You are just ranting. Why Trujillo did a lot for the country (I've never denied that) the cost in dignity and human blood became to high, and so his people got rid him. Who wrote that first? His former SIM chief General Arturo 'razor' Espaillat. Do you even know who he was?
You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
You are probably the only one this board who would accuse me of being a communist...
I doubt you have any ideology at all. You don't know the history of this country or the Era of Trujillo. You are just saying stupid things.
Last edited by a moderator:
Before you accuse someone of ranting, perhaps you should look at how you have carried yourself in this thread. You have resorted to personally attacking me and insulting me on the basis of simply getting upset that I referred to anti-trujillistas as communists. It is YOU who is ranting.
You can continue to rant about Trujillo's "oppression" against certain individuals, or you can acknowledge that he did more good than bad, no leader is without faults, and the DR has paid a VERY high price for so-called "democracy".
I have no desire to continue dragging this into the rabbit hole that you seem to want to take this in, and, I agree with you on just about everything else, but obviously, when it comes to Trujillo, we don't agree at all.
What anti-trujillistas like you will have to come to accept and realize sooner or later, is that DR's future is eventually boiling down to at least these two choices: 1) We continue to have a 'democratic' DR, full of Haitians, corruption, meddling left-wing foreigners and NGO's that are against Dominican interests--such as our culture, history, cultural identity, our land (and their existence) OR
2) We have another "Trujillo" or Trujillo-like (or Bolsonaro-like) leader who restores 'dominicanidad' on ALL fronts, perhaps, even if we become poorer as a result. But in the end, we are saved as a people and we still have our country. I'm sure you can agree that if you look back at our history, it's even a miracle we even made it this far...as Dominicans.
Last edited by a moderator:
I realize this subject causes some to become very passionate about their opinions, but personal attacks/name calling are not permitted. They have been edited out and an infraction given
Was it not you on another thread who stated how you do not know how Dominicans residing within RD can comment in regards to Dominican communities within the US of A, specifically New York and it's Washington Heights community? I believe within that thread it was also stated that you rarely visit the RD as much as you would like. But yet, you feel positioned properly to dictate the direction the country should move towards. It would probably be beneficial to spend some time here, before pontificating.
Just curious: What type of plane did they use that held 225 troops? I'm assuming these were armed men with supplies and equipment, not tourists in bathing suits I'm curious as I can think of only a couple planes with that capacity and capability of unimproved field landings and they were front line military craft
I have to disagree with this. My husband has not lived in DR for 42 years. Years... He reads Dominican news daily, talks frequently to his brothers, in a family who are very interested in Dominican politics. He grew up as a boy under Trujillo, his family lost very valuable family property along the malecon to Trujillo. He owns a home/finca, etc., in DR.
I pity the person who tells him his views are meaningless because he lives in NJ.