Reggaet?n Dominicano?

[MerengueDutchie]

I know that the merengue bomba us Puerto Ricans took it and made it look like it was all the same and maybe people got bored with it, but at the same time we made merengue more popular than any other merengue players have. We won a bunch of premio lo nuestro, latin gramys and not only that but if u put attention to the words of the puertorican merengue bomba is more about love, gurls beauty, and stuff like that not like LA VACA or LA POPOLA u see the difference?
About reaeggeton... its a combination of Jamaican reaegge and puerto rican flava ... Same here we are the best at it... we invented reaggeton and we have take it to every corner of the world inch by inch u cant say no about it...

El General (Panamanian) invented reggeaton.. credit where it's due.. insofar as music can actually be invented and isn't a 'natural' development of other styles and rythms

 

[mami_te_la_como]

El General (Panamanian) invented reggeaton.. credit where it's due.. insofar as music can actually be invented and isn't a 'natural' development of other styles and rythms

Did he use that word REGGEATON for hes music? NO.... Did it sounded like our REGGEATON? NO..... Did he took hes music to Europe and all over the world? NO........ So u tell me

 

[MerengueDutchie]

I have some links that reflect both our stories to some extent.. I would still say it's a matter of where/when you start calling it reggeaton. To me that would be with EL General..

http://www.fly.co.uk/fly/archives/2005/04/reggaeton_-_the_story_so_far.html
http://www.reggaetonline.net/forums/threadnav805-1-10.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reggaeton&defid=1199771
http://www.reggaecrewpanama.com/agosto2004.htm

The last link comes with a nice beat

 

[Dragonfly32837]

I know that the merengue bomba us Puerto Ricans took it and made it look like it was all the same and maybe people got bored with it, but at the same time we made merengue more popular than any other merengue players have. We won a bunch of premio lo nuestro, latin gramys and not only that but if u put attention to the words of the puertorican merengue bomba is more about love, gurls beauty, and stuff like that not like LA VACA or LA POPOLA u see the difference?
About reaeggeton... its a combination of Jamaican reaegge and puerto rican flava ... Same here we are the best at it... we invented reaggeton and we have take it to every corner of the world inch by inch u cant say no about it... This is for daddy1

Premio lo nuestro and latin grammys are garbage. In the merengue genre they have had great artists nominated and who wins? Olga Ta?on? What?! Olga Ta?on didn't even have a new CD out. I personally wanted To?o Rosario to win. And those songs you talk about la vaca and popola are by those new groups. I see that you have not listened to the beautiful songs by Fernando Villalona, Sergion Vargas, and Alex Bueno among others. Just like reggaeton has it's players that sing garbage, so does merengue. Please don't say that all Dominican merengues talk about popolas and vacas. And please don't say that Puerto Rican merengue is better than Dominican merengue. Please! And it is not that you made it popular. Ever heard of payola? It happens with most American radio stations that play Hispanic music. Especially La Mega.

 

[Marianopolita]

I so agree with Dragonfly's post. I wasn't going comment but I just want to remind Puerto Ricans (who I think have great music in their own right don't get me wrong) if it weren't for To?o Rosario who moved to PR when he formed his own band in the early 90's there would be nothing to boast about when it comes to merengue from PR. Merengue began to have renewed popularity in PR thanks to To?o.

There are a few groups from PR that I like and they hardly get the recognition they deserve such as Limi-t 21 and Grupo Mateo's but instead music from Elvis Crespo is promoted and marketed which in my opinion is a misrepresentation of merengue music.

Reggaeton is fad music it comes and goes whenever an artist or group comes around to promote it. It doesn't interest me but you know as they say like anything 'esa m?sica tiene su p?blico'.

Good Dominican merengue artists:

Rubby P?rez, Alex Bueno, Jossie Esteban, Los Toros Band, Fernando Villalona, Los Hmnos. Rosario. These folks have been around for a while and probably will outlast current and future reggaeton artists.

LDG.

 

[Mr_DR]

Amen to that Leslie

 

[mami_te_la_como]

Premio lo nuestro and latin grammys are garbage. In the merengue genre they have had great artists nominated and who wins? Olga Ta?on? What?! Olga Ta?on didn't even have a new CD out. I personally wanted To?o Rosario to win. And those songs you talk about la vaca and popola are by those new groups. I see that you have not listened to the beautiful songs by Fernando Villalona, Sergion Vargas, and Alex Bueno among others. Just like reggaeton has it's players that sing garbage, so does merengue. Please don't say that all Dominican merengues talk about popolas and vacas. And please don't say that Puerto Rican merengue is better than Dominican merengue. Please! And it is not that you made it popular. Ever heard of payola? It happens with most American radio stations that play Hispanic music. Especially La Mega.

I defenatelly agree that premio lo nuestro and latin gramys are garbage because when they where going to anounce the best regaeton singer, even tho every body were yelling "TEGO, TEGO, TEGO " who they called???? El General jajajaja give me a break, the last CD el general came up with that i can remember was Juana pelame la banana and that was who knows how long... Well anyways To tell u the truth i have listen to all those merengueros i can even tell u the name of the songs they sing and part of the songs too, why?? because im a merenguero myself... the thing is that i have to deffend what i think is right, and not let ppl burn puerto ricans like that, especially that comment that we saturate everything, if we do ppl like it..

 

[Yari]

couldnt let you get away with this one

:tired: Yeah those premio shows in spanish are crap...they discriminate, :tired: when it somes to tropical music categories they vote for songs that are old as sh%t and that obviously dont deserve to win. YOU cannot even seriously believe that pr put merengue on the map...not so missy!! Es algo muy dominicano y no lo puedes negar. but on the other hand, maybe the elvis crespo or the olga tanon music TO YOU sounds better than some of our music. para los gustos se hicieron los colores, your ears, your choice.

*****RE: that dumb a$$ popola song, that girl is dominican??????? ****

Oh, about pr merengues singing about love, gils' beauty & what not, so does dominican merengue since b4 puertoricans even knew what merengue was.

You guys have salsa (for the most part cuz we have some dope salseros too as well as colombia, venezuela etc...) please dont try to claim merengue too. JUST NOT ACCURATE. whats next, gonna take credit for putting bachata on the map?? :lick:

Yari

I know that the merengue bomba us Puerto Ricans took it and made it look like it was all the same and maybe people got bored with it, but at the same time we made merengue more popular than any other merengue players have. We won a bunch of premio lo nuestro, latin gramys and not only that but if u put attention to the words of the puertorican merengue bomba is more about love, gurls beauty, and stuff like that not like LA VACA or LA POPOLA u see the difference?
About reaeggeton... its a combination of Jamaican reaegge and puerto rican flava ... Same here we are the best at it... we invented reaggeton and we have take it to every corner of the world inch by inch u cant say no about it... This is for daddy1

 

[asopao]

I so agree with Dragonfly's post. I wasn't going comment but I just want to remind Puerto Ricans (who I think have great music in their own right don't get me wrong) if it weren't for To?o Rosario who moved to PR when he formed his own band in the early 90's there would be nothing to boast about when it comes to merengue from PR. Merengue began to have renewed popularity in PR thanks to To?o.

There are a few groups from PR that I like and they hardly get the recognition they deserve such as Limi-t 21 and Grupo Mateo's but instead music from Elvis Crespo is promoted and marketed which in my opinion is a misrepresentation of merengue music.

Reggaeton is fad music it comes and goes whenever an artist or group comes around to promote it. It doesn't interest me but you know as they say like anything 'esa m?sica tiene su p?blico'.

Good Dominican merengue artists:

Rubby P?rez, Alex Bueno, Jossie Esteban, Los Toros Band, Fernando Villalona, Los Hmnos. Rosario. These folks have been around for a while and probably will outlast current and future reggaeton artists.

LDG.

It wasn't To?o, Conjunto Qusqueya was in Puerto Rico way longer, also Jossie Esteban was there way before To?o. Actually, Olga Ta?on started off as a satellite of Jossie Esteban, also Ca?a Brava. You're right thou, Dominican bands stationed in PR where the ones that sparked the merengue movement in PR.

Merengue Bomba does have similarities with reggaeton in that, at the beginning is a " novelty', a sensation, like Elvis Crespo, then the same crap over and over again " gets old", it gets whack. Dominican merengue has distinct styles. You have Oro Solido, To?o, Pe?a Suazo, El Jeffrey, Julian. They are all very different from each other, they have depeloped their own style, so that's why Dominican merengue in general doesn't get old with me.

You have different " revolutions" in Dominican merengue that gives it a new flava. Like barito saxophone revolution of Oro Solido in 1993, and then the Robert Vargas's " perico tiguere" in 1999( i think). After Robert came Krisspy, Aguacate and all that. All that is variation, variation is the clue for the longtime success of any musical genre.

 

[asopao]

:tired: Yeah those premio shows in spanish are crap...they discriminate, :tired: when it somes to tropical music categories they vote for songs that are old as sh%t and that obviously dont deserve to win. YOU cannot even seriously believe that pr put merengue on the map...not so missy!! Es algo muy dominicano y no lo puedes negar. but on the other hand, maybe the elvis crespo or the olga tanon music TO YOU sounds better than some of our music. para los gustos se hicieron los colores, your ears, your choice.

*****RE: that dumb a$$ popola song, that girl is dominican??????? ****

Oh, about pr merengues singing about love, gils' beauty & what not, so does dominican merengue since b4 puertoricans even knew what merengue was.

You guys have salsa (for the most part cuz we have some dope salseros too as well as colombia, venezuela etc...) please dont try to claim merengue too. JUST NOT ACCURATE. whats next, gonna take credit for putting bachata on the map?? :lick:

Yari

Premio lo nuestro, etc, all that garbage is runned by Mexicans and some Cubans that kiss their arse, they don't know jack s&^%&t about merengue and its distinct flavors. Actually " lo nuestro " really means, " lo nuestro lo mexicano". So people, please don't watch univision, that channel should change its name to " mexicovision", because it just caters to their majority Mexican audience. Have you seen all those horrible "banda music" commercials that they place even in the East Coast??

What comes closer to really give credit to Dominican music talent is premios Casandra in DR.

 

[Marianopolita]

Asopao and Yari....

Asopao: Thanks for elaborating on the extended presence of DR artists in PR thus the surge of PR merengue. You are absolutely right. However, my comment remains specific to the 90's surge of merengue on the island. I truly believe that, that era in PR merengue is because of To?o's magic. He brought a type of merengue to PR that was never heard before. Many PR merengue bands that were formed in the 90's (ie. Grupo Mattizz, Grupo Man?a, Fuera de Liga etc.) was during that time. Basically, local groups had to the give To?o some competition (I suppose). To?o produced some nice albums in the 90's some of my favorites being Amor Jollao, Me olivid? de vivir and my all time classic Seguir?. I don't know any PR band that can compete with To?o's style and incomparable repertoire.

In terms of different styles of merengue as you mentioned in your post I agree with you that the diversity of the bands keeps the genre alive but the groups you mentioned especially Oro S?lido don?t appeal to me as much. I really like traditional merengue with hard hitting beats rather than the high-speed fast paced sound but I still appreciate some songs here and there.

I already mentioned the groups that I like in my post # 25 but to add to that I also like Azucarado, Rokabanda (back in the day) and Rikarena. Ca?a Brava had some nice albums too before they phased out.

Yari: I loved your comment about Puerto Ricans trying to claim bachata next. Well, if that ever happens it would be laughable especially since most Puerto Ricans I know (especially on the island) don?t like bachata and it would be similar to another country claiming 'bomba y plena' as theirs when anyone who knows about music knows that 'bomba y plena' is from Borinquen. BTW did I mention I love Puerto Rican music. They do not need to claim any other genre with salsa alone they have it made. My example to all is the long standing legendary salsa band El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico.


LDG.

It wasn't To?o, Conjunto Qusqueya was in Puerto Rico way longer, also Jossie Esteban was there way before To?o. Actually, Olga Ta?on started off as a satellite of Jossie Esteban, also Ca?a Brava. You're right thou, Dominican bands stationed in PR where the ones that sparked the merengue movement in PR.

 

[Yari]

Yeah Lesley, I also love salsa & I definitely just wanted to jut point out to her that it is absolutely ridiculous to think that PR put merengue on the map or that pr merengue is better than dr merengue, but again that last statement is left to interpretation.

PS: this is for the PR guy or girl (cant fig it out) who made the original comment...I dont bash puerto ricans as so many others do on these forums. no one country is better than the other . we all have something to contribute, cant we all just get along??

Yari: I loved your comment about Puerto Ricans trying to claim bachata next. Well, if that ever happens it would be laughable especially since most Puerto Ricans I know (especially on the island) don?t like bachata and it would be similar to another country claiming 'bomba y plena' as theirs when anyone who knows about music knows that 'bomba y plena' is from Borinquen. BTW did I mention I love Puerto Rican music. They do not need to claim any other genre with salsa alone they have it made. My example to all is the long standing lengendary salsa band El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico.


LDG.

 

[asopao]

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PS: this is for the PR guy or girl (cant fig it out) who made the original comment...I dont bash puerto ricans as so many others do on these forums. no one country is better than the other . we all have something to contribute, cant we all just get along??

Puerto Rico is not a country, it is a COLONY. They can call it so called " Estado Libre Asociado", but it is just a cover up name for colony.

They don't have their own passports
They don't have their own currency
They don't have their own military
They can't make diplomatic decisions withouth Washington's approval

So, Please, don't call Puerto Rico a " country" ever again. PR never has been a " country".

 

[mami_te_la_como]

:tired: Yeah those premio shows in spanish are crap...they discriminate, :tired: when it somes to tropical music categories they vote for songs that are old as sh%t and that obviously dont deserve to win. YOU cannot even seriously believe that pr put merengue on the map...not so missy!! Es algo muy dominicano y no lo puedes negar. but on the other hand, maybe the elvis crespo or the olga tanon music TO YOU sounds better than some of our music. para los gustos se hicieron los colores, your ears, your choice.

*****RE: that dumb a$$ popola song, that girl is dominican??????? ****

Oh, about pr merengues singing about love, gils' beauty & what not, so does dominican merengue since b4 puertoricans even knew what merengue was.

You guys have salsa (for the most part cuz we have some dope salseros too as well as colombia, venezuela etc...) please dont try to claim merengue too. JUST NOT ACCURATE. whats next, gonna take credit for putting bachata on the map?? :lick:

Yari

No we r not going to claim bachata and we r not claiming merengue either we just help out merengue when it was in this time where merengue were not winning anything or when people in Europe or other parts of the world were not listening to it... Merengue is very very dominican and yea i cant denied that but u cant denied that we helped merengue when it was in a crissis. OOHHH and one more thing... If bachata get in a crissis then why not us taking it and help it out and put it back on the road, we know how to do that

 

[mami_te_la_como]

It wasn't To?o, Conjunto Qusqueya was in Puerto Rico way longer, also Jossie Esteban was there way before To?o. Actually, Olga Ta?on started off as a satellite of Jossie Esteban, also Ca?a Brava. You're right thou, Dominican bands stationed in PR where the ones that sparked the merengue movement in PR.

Merengue Bomba does have similarities with reggaeton in that, at the beginning is a " novelty', a sensation, like Elvis Crespo, then the same crap over and over again " gets old", it gets whack. Dominican merengue has distinct styles. You have Oro Solido, To?o, Pe?a Suazo, El Jeffrey, Julian. They are all very different from each other, they have depeloped their own style, so that's why Dominican merengue in general doesn't get old with me.

You have different " revolutions" in Dominican merengue that gives it a new flava. Like barito saxophone revolution of Oro Solido in 1993, and then the Robert Vargas's " perico tiguere" in 1999( i think). After Robert came Krisspy, Aguacate and all that. All that is variation, variation is the clue for the longtime success of any musical genre.

The thing is that we r not trying to keep merengue we just gave it a boost when it was dead, thats all...

 

[mami_te_la_como]

Puerto Rico is not a country, it is a COLONY. They can call it so called " Estado Libre Asociado", but it is just a cover up name for colony.

They don't have their own passports
They don't have their own currency
They don't have their own military
They can't make diplomatic decisions withouth Washington's approval

So, Please, don't call Puerto Rico a " country" ever again. PR never has been a " country".[/QUOTE


jajaja asopao, u dont even know what ur saying about PR I dont answer u the way im sopposed to because i respect DR and most of my friends r dominicans and not only that but my gurl is dominican and i have a daughter and another baby comming that r half dominicans so if u want to know who rule this world even tho u r disque "independent" thats USA yup u read rigth USA every country if they make a bad decision in something theres USA a little war or something there goes USA. So study more watch the news and then talk ok. I dont even know why u change the subject anyways we r talking about merengue or regaeton not Politics.

 

[asopao]

Puerto Rico is not a country, it is a COLONY. They can call it so called " Estado Libre Asociado", but it is just a cover up name for colony.

They don't have their own passports
They don't have their own currency
They don't have their own military
They can't make diplomatic decisions withouth Washington's approval

So, Please, don't call Puerto Rico a " country" ever again. PR never has been a " country".[/QUOTE


jajaja asopao, u dont even know what ur saying about PR I dont answer u the way im sopposed to because i respect DR and most of my friends r dominicans and not only that but my gurl is dominican and i have a daughter and another baby comming that r half dominicans so if u want to know who rule this world even tho u r disque "independent" thats USA yup u read rigth USA every country if they make a bad decision in something theres USA a little war or something there goes USA. So study more watch the news and then talk ok. I dont even know why u change the subject anyways we r talking about merengue or regaeton not Politics.

you're right, USA is the richest country on Earth and the boss/police of the world and Puerto Ricans are smart in keeping the colonial status. Otherwise they would be the ones taking up the yolas and going to DR instead of viceversa. I don't think a single Dominican would take a yola to PR if it were an indepentent country instead of a U.S Colony. DR is mad poor but we are very proud of our independece and our history ( didn't have to wait for uncle sam to liberate us from Spain as far as 1898!). Anyways, this is not political thread, you're right

On the music topic, where do you get the idea that PR " rescued" merengue? hahaha, merengue was in a crisis?? you got to be joking? Wilfrido Vargas alone with his baile del perrito took merengue even to Mars ! what you say about Juan Luis Guerra? please, I respect Puerto Rican talent, you can say that they help to " pump it", but to " rescue it from a crisis"?? that is ludricous ! haha, talking bunch of babosadas. DR merengue has always been the best and most prominent merengue,and always will be.

 

[mami_te_la_como]

you're right, USA is the richest country on Earth and the boss/police of the world and Puerto Ricans are smart in keeping the colonial status. Otherwise they would be the ones taking up the yolas and going to DR instead of viceversa. I don't think a single Dominican would take a yola to PR if it were an indepentent country instead of a U.S Colony. DR is mad poor but we are very proud of our independece and our history ( didn't have to wait for uncle sam to liberate us from Spain as far as 1898!). Anyways, this is not political thread, you're right

On the music topic, where do you get the idea that PR " rescued" merengue? hahaha, merengue was in a crisis?? you got to be joking? Wilfrido Vargas alone with his baile del perrito took merengue even to Mars ! what you say about Juan Luis Guerra? please, I respect Puerto Rican talent, you can say that they help to " pump it", but to " rescue it from a crisis"?? that is ludricous ! haha, talking bunch of babosadas. DR merengue has always been the best and most prominent merengue,and always will be.

U said so we puertoricans r smarter, u guys r the one to take the yolas and die on the sea not us.. why u guys dont care if u guys die? well because of the independent country u guys have.. hahahahaha u dont eat independence man u dont support ur kids with independency come on i thought u were smarter than that... Ooops this is not a political subject.. so lets chill here, im gona get in trouble with my gurl if she knows what im writting... Ella es dominicana de pura sepa...
Going back to the music, I agree with u that talents like Wilfrido and Juan Luis have put the merengue up there but u have to give props tu us that we have done it and is not our music not only that but our musicians are as good as dominicans u can ask all those merengueros that lived in PR that u guys mentioned before like To?o or Jossie Esteban, Sandy Reyes, Angelito Villalona, Wilfrido, they played with puertorican musicians... hows that?

 

[Marianopolita]

Asopao,

I think you should leave the political piece out of this thread that is flowing nicely. There is no correlation between the thread topic and politics so I think we should respect the OP and not disrespect Puerto Rico in the process.

Mami,

In my opinion PR has its own version of merengue not to be confused with Dominican merengue. This is the point I would like to clarify. Acoustically there is no comparison between DR bands and PR bands. It's all about personal preference. Personally, I think DR merengue bands have the edge but their marketability has been lost to the PR market. That's the problem!

LDG.

U said so we puertoricans r smarter, u guys r the one to take the yolas and die on the sea not us.. why u guys dont care if u guys die? well because of the independent country u guys have.. hahahahaha u dont eat independence man u dont support ur kids with independency come on i thought u were smarter than that... Ooops this is not a political subject.. so lets chill here, im gona get in trouble with my gurl if she knows what im writting... Ella es dominicana de pura sepa...
Going back to the music, I agree with u that talents like Wilfrido and Juan Luis have put the merengue up there but u have to give props tu us that we have done it and is not our music not only that but our musicians are as good as dominicans u can ask all those merengueros that lived in PR that u guys mentioned before like To?o or Jossie Esteban, Sandy Reyes, Angelito Villalona, Wilfrido, they played with puertorican musicians... hows that?

 

[Yari]

Dear, mami te lo como or whatever ur name is...

although I am responding to Leslie's post, this is really for you. since you adamantly proclaim that merengue was put on the radar by PR...I'll tell ya what, maybe you might think this because on tv or on American radios you heard more pr merengue. you may be right, u may be wrong. im not going to argue that. but if you are right, it is because of RACISM that pr artists like elvis crespo are being marketed better or portrayed more in mainstream America. on these award shows, why would they pick an artist of the mostly black populated dr when they can choose one from pr? countries populated by dark skinned people are always scapegoated. look at the many countries of Africa that are in turmoil, or even our neighboring Haiti.

sorry guys, I know I got heavy here, but I think that the cause of many trivial injustices such as this, is racism. call me bitter, I don't really care. :lick:

tata for now, yari.

Asopao,

Personally, I think DR merengue bands have the edge but their marketability has been lost to the PR market. That's the problem!

LDG.