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miozio

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And also, we are not that labor force desperately seeking a country with high paychecks any longer. And we are not looking for a job in general because for the most of us living in DR (with 2 higher educations) it's easier to create jobs!

I deal with dirty people who come from "civilized countries" on a daily basis, and how ignorant they look in front of the locals and their "F" word they often use in front of kids and not when they are angry but just because they have no other words in their vocabulary! There is a bunch of them floating in the pool as I type this, just talking about chicks and laugh from the most stupid jokes I have ever heard! Now, do I want to move over there and work for them?
 

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I deal with dirty people who come from "civilized countries" on a daily basis, and how ignorant they look in front of the locals
There is a bunch of them floating in the pool as I type this, just talking about chicks and laugh from the most stupid jokes I have ever heard! Now, do I want to move over there and work for them?

DA!

Stupid, stupid people and now you must look at them floating around.
It must be distressing.
The Czar would not be amused!
 

JohnnyBoy

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And also, we are not that labor force desperately seeking a country with high paychecks any longer. And we are not looking for a job in general because for the most of us living in DR (with 2 higher educations) it's easier to create jobs!

I deal with dirty people who come from "civilized countries" on a daily basis, and how ignorant they look in front of the locals and their "F" word they often use in front of kids and not when they are angry but just because they have no other words in their vocabulary! There is a bunch of them floating in the pool as I type this, just talking about chicks and laugh from the most stupid jokes I have ever heard! Now, do I want to move over there and work for them?

Well with all of your education you should work on a job that you wont have to deal with dirty foreigners.
You wanna talk about Vodka, snow, conspicuous consumption, depressing poetry, internet scams, immigration fraud, or computer engineering I will defer to your expertise. Your opinion on jokes probably not. Светлее вверх, это должно быть весело форум
 

miozio

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Well with all of your education you should work on a job that you wont have to deal with dirty foreigners.
You wanna talk about Vodka, snow, conspicuous consumption, depressing poetry, internet scams, immigration fraud, or computer engineering I will defer to your expertise. Your opinion on jokes probably not. Светлее вверх, это должно быть весело форум

Thank you for your "wise" suggestion (I don't work with dirty foreigners) but I believe I should simply avoid places with people of your kind...

P.S. Please don't use Google translator, it makes you sound awfully stupid... also when you try to speak English!

End of story, thread closed for me... Moderators may think likewise, I hope...
 
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Thank you for your "wise" suggestion (I don't work with dirty foreigners) but I believe I should simply avoid places with people of your kind...

P.S. Please don't use Google translator, it makes you sound awfully stupid... also when you try to speak English!

End of story, thread closed for me... Moderators may think likewise, I hope...

Before you leave, miozio, please consider that in a country of over 300 million(speaking of the US) you will find all kinds. It's unfortunate that your entire nationality was maligned on this thread. Russians aren't all mobsters and Americans aren't all stupid and disrespectful. Be well.
 

JohnnyBoy

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This is the clown bin. Miozio take a joke. If someone you never met on the internet gets you upset you need to grow a pair. Sorry if I offended you.
 

miozio

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Before you leave, miozio, please consider that in a country of over 300 million(speaking of the US) you will find all kinds. It's unfortunate that your entire nationality was maligned on this thread. Russians aren't all mobsters and Americans aren't all stupid and disrespectful. Be well.
I know and I have many friends in NY and LA and they are the "good kind" I am not generalizing with Americans, I am addressing directly to the insults from trash people wherever they are from. I hate them in Russia, I disliked them in Italy where I had business for 7 years and I have my right to avoid them and take my kids away from them...
 

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I know and I have many friends in NY and LA and they are the "good kind" I am not generalizing with Americans, I am addressing directly to the insults from trash people wherever they are from. I hate them in Russia, I disliked them in Italy where I had business for 7 years and I have my right to avoid them and take my kids away from them...

Why does opinion of people you have no respect for bother you so? Most people dislike at least one other group for whatever reason. Hell, half of the Russian population pretty much hate Americans, even though most of them have never seen one in their life. Let them be.
 
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Miozio,

First, your English is fantastic! I'm impressed. it's nice to have a Russian here who can give a different perspective on things. I like it. A lot. I also agree with your explanations. I was wondering though, if you were able to to work in either North America or many European countries--in particular the ones in northern Europe--would you pass up that opportunity?

The reason i ask this is because, as i mentioned earlier, once you have a Green Card for America, or Citizenship for Canada or Europe, you automatically qualify for a retirement check, disability check, and a host of other benefits should something bad happen to you or your children.

A lot of people seem to be unfamiliar with this fact that after you have worked in the U.S or Northern Europe for 10 years--and have paid taxes for 10 years--you automatically get access to many things--inluding a retirement check, Medicare, Social Medicine (Europe), etc. But more importantly, if something negative should befall you, such as bad health, car accident, cancer, etc. you will be taken care of.

Here, in the DR, they have no system to speak of, if something negative happens to you or your children, you are screwed. There is no system to fall back on. there is no disability check, no retirement check that amounts to anything, there is no good Medicare system that will take care of you indefinitely while you are sick, etc. If something bad happens to either you or your children in the DR, you are screwed and that's he end of it.

This is what confused me when i heard that a few people had the ability to live and work in either the U.S, or Canada, or Europe, and yet choose to stay here in the DR. I find this choice to be short term thinking in the sense that, for every year they stay here working, that is one year lost that they could have been working and paying into a system that will benefit them and their children should something negative happen to them.

I know that no young Russian person will think this way because, well, let's face it, young people don't think about the possibility of ever getting sick or retiring one day. Young people live for only here and now. They don't think ahead. But once you have children, the mindset needs to change, and you need to start thinking about them and what system is best to take care of them if something happens to you.


Still, i'm glad in your in the DR and that you found a way to make a living.

Frank
 

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When I hear that they are able to work in either the US, Canada, or Europe, I ask them why do they not work in the US, Canada, or Europe rather than in the DR? Actually, this is not entirely true, I lye; I actually ask my Russian girlfriend to ask them why they do not take advantage of this unique opportunity to work in the U.S, Canada, or Europe and qualify for a retirement check for the rest of their lives, as well as medical care.
I am from Canada, and i have t say it's not true about this, well, it is kinda but the joke is that when you reach 60 or 65, after only 10yrs of work, you might get a 175$ a month pension.

A few of my aunts and uncles, a few cousins worked in the U.S in the 60?s & 70?s and now receive monthly U.S retirement checks. It?s enough money to live modestly in the DR and even qualifies them for Medicare?which is the U.S medical equivalent of a high-end U.S veterinarian hospital?of the likes of Dr. Bob?s Veterinarian clinic in Sosua, only worse food.
i'm sure it was true about that, in those years, not anymore.


I have Dominican relatives who have worked in the US for only 10 years, paid into the tax system, and then came back home to the DR, opened up businesses and worked until they reached the age of 62?at which point they qualified for their U.S Social Security money. Now, they get a social security check deposited into their Banco Popular accounts every month while they still own businesses. In places like Bonao, they live like Kings. Meanwhile?I live in a conversion van in northern Europe and live off fresh fish, beaver, and wild mushrooms.
That a wonderful way to do it!


My guess is that that a million or more South Americans, Central Americans, Arawaks, Taino?s, Carib?s, and assorted Orinoco cannibals are legally retired after working in the U.S and Europe and have then come back home and live their lives over-eating and consuming Mamma-Juana and Viagra pills until they pass out.
Mammajuana is quite tasty actualy!

I see it like this: for every year that you stay here in the DR working for little money and ?not paying? into any social system whatsoever?including a retirement and health care system (Medicare in the U.S/Social medicine in northern Europe), then that is one year that you have lost towards being able to receive a monthly retirement check, as well as missing out on many other social systems that can help you in case of an accident.
That a point of view.


But wait, there?s more than this that you will lose by staying and working in the DR and not paying into a social system: you also lose the possibility to have your child or children taken care of if something happens to you?an unforeseen accident or health problem like cancer, etc. anything can happen, and will happen eventually, and if you do not have a state or country that will financially take care of your children and family while you are sick, immobilized, or dead, than you have only yourself to blame if you had the opportunity to work in the U.S, Canada, or Europe and yet did not.
In Canada as well the USA, i think its calles "Child Custody"!


Frank
As a Canadian myself, i can't work for someone else anymore, i still have plenty years before i touch any
canadian pension, but i prefer to be in RD and open a little business then working for someone else just to pay the bills. I rather live nit rich but happy than richer but un-happy.

That also my opinion,
 

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I'm Russian too :cheeky:
If I had a chance to go legally to US and work there without going through all that paperwork pain in the a$$ I'd go there in a heartbeat (but only to Miami or around :) I hate cold weather)
There are bad/stupid people in every nation. I like all positive ppl and avoid those who are full of doo.
 

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HIt the nail with "short term thinking". I agree wholeheartedly. Work in the US-get your quarters paid in and you have a guaranteed check every month as long as you live. Plus you are able to live anywhere in the world as the cash is deposited automatically. The disability and other add ons are frosting on the cake. My Dom kids are doing it right now with the idea of coming back to the DR and living high. Want more cash then just work more quarters. Great deal. Few people really believe they will ever get old and take it all for granted until its too late.
 

JohnnyBoy

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You have to pay taxes to get benefits. For some people without superb English ( not an issue for most Russians) and advanced degrees it is tough. Miami is a tough place to live decently without money. Same as NY, Chicago and LA. If you dont score a good job or dont hustle to make enough to pay your social security and Fica whats the point of living in the US? You have to work for ten years to get into the system, you cant just retire after ten years. And if you dont put more than the minimum into your account you wont get enough to live anywhere. You cant claim your benefits until you are in your sixties. If youre in another country you cannot use your medicare the cost benefit may not be worth it.
Most Eastern Europeans assimilate well due to the higher education but there still are the green card games and all the other games the Dominicans play.
 

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Hey, I am Ukrainian, and I love living and working in the US. I have no interest in moving anywhere, just traveling once in a while. A lot of my Russian and Ukrainian friends living and working in the US feel the same. We have good education and good jobs. They pay us well and treat us well here, why leave?
 

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I have a few Russian friends in the DR, in particular on the north coast. A few of them, not many (an 8 year old girl), is actually trustworthy. A few of the others have the ability to work in either the US, Canada, or Europe.

When I hear that they are able to work in either the US, Canada, or Europe, I ask them why do they not work in the US, Canada, or Europe rather than in the DR? Actually, this is not entirely true, I lye; I actually ask my Russian girlfriend to ask them why they do not take advantage of this unique opportunity to work in the U.S, Canada, or Europe and qualify for a retirement check for the rest of their lives, as well as medical care.



Frank

Maybe because all the people have different priorities in their lives and not everybody want to work hard for 30-40 years and actually start enjoying their lives only after 50? What is the point to lose the best years of your life and then rely on that miserable 3K-5K/month pittance from the government. Both Russians and Americans I know who are not from the Dominican Republic care less about this kind of government protection, they are well protected without it. I suppose that the reason is that Dominican Republic is not the destination point for the wealthy Americans, they prefer other resorts.

I spent less than a year in the USA and I had all the opportunities to stay there to study and work. I've enjoyed the time there but I've chosen the British university (no offence) to do my Masters and I decided that I don't want to stay in the USA because most of the people there have different mentality and I need eighter to accept it and change myself or the life will be really hard. I didn't stay in the UK mostly for the same reasons but spent two years there. I like DR because of the climate and because I want to leave near the ocean right now, not when I'm 60 sitting quite in the shadows and thinking "God bless this day, cause it looks like I don't have the pains in all parts of my body today" .

You need to take in to account the difference in mentality as well. Typical Russian relies more on himself than on government (by the way this is more common with people who know how to make money). What is more, average Russian doesn't need to pay the mortgage for the property owned by some bank and deny himself practicly in everythig trying to save some amount for the kids to go in to a decent college.
 
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