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Swiss Tourists Beaten and Robbed in Puerto Plata
i have been looking and what i see is this:
POLICA APRESA SUPUESTOS ATRACADORES DE EXTRANJEROS EN LONG BEACH
so it was one swiss resident with german friends (possibly tourists). attacked while on the beach by 3 young dominicans carrying knives. welcome to puerto plata.
We can set up a meeting and you could try.
This whole thing has either amatuer or inside job set up all over it. Broad daylight on the Malecon. Not the smartest time or place to commit a crime.
Let me add that I think these types of crimes in Puerto Plata have the potential to reverberate all over the world, with a subsequent negative effect on tourism on the north coast.
I come from a family of law enforcement officers. They tell me that ?eyewitness accounts? tend to be pretty unreliable. Yet, they do seek out details regarding the appearance of criminals, but in the Joe Friday (from ?Dragnet?) mode of ?just the facts ?. Height, weight, hair color, skin tone, etc.
But as to nationality, well, I?m sure I wouldn?t have been able to identify the victims as ?Swiss?, unless they told me so themselves. Likewise I know many native born Dominicans who ?look Haitian? (whatever that means?) and vice-versa.
For example, look at the lady below. Can you tell if she?s Dominican or Haitian?
another article about arrest:
PN apresa tres j?venes acusados de atracar a un grupo de turistas en Long Beach - Puerto Plata Digital
PN apresa tres j?venes acusados de atracar a un grupo de turistas en Long Beach - Puerto Plata Digital
Let me add that I think these types of crimes in Puerto Plata have the potential to reverberate all over the world, with a subsequent negative effect on tourism on the north coast.
I come from a family of law enforcement officers. They tell me that “eyewitness accounts” tend to be pretty unreliable. Yet, they do seek out details regarding the appearance of criminals, but in the Joe Friday (from “Dragnet”) mode of “just the facts “. Height, weight, hair color, skin tone, etc.
But as to nationality, well, I’m sure I wouldn’t have been able to identify the victims as “Swiss”, unless they told me so themselves. Likewise I know many native born Dominicans who “look Haitian” (whatever that means?) and vice-versa.
For example, look at the lady below. Can you tell if she’s Dominican or Haitian?
Of course you can't always tell and it might be harder for a tourist to tell. Language might be the clue to tell where they are from. If a group of people rob someone there is a good chance they spoke to the victims and or to each other. It is pretty rare for a group of robbery suspects to not talk to each other.
If they have no clue where they are from or what language they were speaking or if they were a native spanish speaker then they could not tell. But they question was asked why would it matter. My answer is that it does matter and it is information that needs to be shared. If the victims can't tell there might of been witnesses that heard the language and or accents.
Getting as much information as you can is very important. I could not tell if the victims were swiss if I saw and heard them but I could probably tell you some places they weren't from and languages they weren't speaking.
Some places have changed the identification process. A lot of the problems is identifying the exact person, how lines ups have been done, police leading the victim, etc. But if a person says they spoke this language, their skin was this color, they had this accent I would not say that is not reliable. It has happened where the wrong person of the same skin color has gone to jail because of an eyewitness. If the victim gets the skin color wrong that is normally when the victim is lying which has happened.
Of course someone would want to question each victim and question each victim separately. If they said the suspect were from a certain place you would have to ask why they think that. If all four victims given the same account separately that would be a big deal.
It is not about sticking a label on someone. If possible there needs to be justice.
I am always so surprised that they seem to catch so many of these murderers/robbers! Do Dominicans brag about crimes or what?!
"HR" have you EVER met a Dominican that can keep a secret??????
Or who didn't want to get another Dominican in trouble??????
THAT's why they get caught!
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Or who didn't want to get another Dominican in trouble??????
THAT's why they get caught!
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HUGS,
It's a shame that one has to have to have that prison look and not that "I'm happy to live in Paradise face", relaxed and worry free. That the disdain for the locals grows more everyday because of the few scavengers or the general lack of appreciation or loyal relationship building.
this situation is a simple byproduct of the dynamics of migration of wealthier people to poorer countries. people who do not know where the next meal is coming from get juxtaposed with foreigners whom they think have more than they do, and it becomes a situation of opportunism. there is never going to be any loyal relationship building between some retiree from Hamilton, who has landed here with a healthy nest egg, and a guy from La Union, whose passola was repossessed last week. people in the Sosua threads quite cavalierly suggest the dispersal of the ladies of easy virtue from THEIR town, to protect their property values. well, when the chicas have no way to make a living, then the onus falls on chulo and his weaponry of choice. it is going to get much worse before it gets better.
"Gorgon" it is a common misconception that the "Chicas" have "No Way To Make A Living"!!!!!!!!!!
They CHOOSE to sell their bodies for sex.
Then blow the money on themselves.
I have two maids that have not made the same decision.
There are MANY WAYS TO MAKE A LIVING, that don't involve prostitution!!!!!
"BUT",....I'm GLAD some like to "Play For Pay"!!!!!!!
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They CHOOSE to sell their bodies for sex.
Then blow the money on themselves.
I have two maids that have not made the same decision.
There are MANY WAYS TO MAKE A LIVING, that don't involve prostitution!!!!!
"BUT",....I'm GLAD some like to "Play For Pay"!!!!!!!
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"Gorgon" it is a common misconception that the "Chicas" have "No Way To Make A Living"!!!!!!!!!!
They CHOOSE to sell their bodies for sex.
Then blow the money on themselves.
I have two maids that have not made the same decision.
There are MANY WAYS TO MAKE A LIVING, that don't involve prostitution!!!!!
"BUT",....I'm GLAD some like to "Play For Pay"!!!!!!!
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i agree with you that in many cases the girls make a conscious choice to become prostitutes. if you are examining the bad choices made by some people here (as elsewhere), then you are preaching to the choir. numerous girls here have had good opportunities placed in front of them, only to screw them up, royally. however, we are only looking at the facts on the ground, not what caused them to be what they are. i would hazard a guess that less than one in ten of the girls on PC can get a mainstream job which pays anything near what they earn in the boudoir. i will also hazard a guess that they all have dependents, namely the mothers who care for their kids while they ply the trade, and chulo, the useless parasite whom they support. if they lose work, en masse, the economic ramifications can be dire.
I would hazard the guess that 0 in 10 can make anywhere near the money that's available to them in their tourism specialty. Any time I see a government pushing out attempts at changing a particular dynamic, especially where tourism is concerned I wonder "why?" and "to what?".
The surface problem is the criminal activity of robberies, assaults and drugs which threaten the viability of the tourism industry of the D.R. North Coast. There are those who equate these problems with the legal sex industry and right now they've caught the ears of the leadership which is making at least an effort at curbing said industry for the sake of reducing the related criminal activity and promote a safer and more attractive destination to potential customers. I get all that and it does seem reasonable at 1st glance.
However, by wholesale closing of clubs and bars wherein the sex trade exists the government has pushed their primary target out into the streets where anything goes and not only has it not slowed one little bit but it now exists in an arena outside of regulatory control. At least when the clubs and bars were the arena the government had oversight and regulatory authority and there was a steady tax stream being generated (we won't even discuss the dark money here) and non-compliance could lead to a shutdown and loss of income and sometimes their entire investment for the business owners so the incentive to control their businesses within the guidelines set forth by the government was very high. Close the clubs and bars, send the business out into the street and create chaos. Not a very wise plan, especially in light of the fact that now legal behaviors are commingled and collocated with illegal behaviors.
Now that most of the clubs are back in full swing and the "escort required" signs have been taken down they will have to come up with another plan and concentrate on curtailing the drugs and preventing the robberies. Every time I hear about another newest, latest, greatest Dominican regulatory initiative (since the great curfew of 2006) I think.....
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