The future of Sosua

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lifeisgreat

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Only one question remains...
How many good local people did these Muppets just put out of work?
Question should be how much staff does a handful of bars staff... I’m sure bourbons and Casino will temporally pick up the slack for now ...construction is busy on east end...
 

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Question should be how much staff does a handful of bars staff... I’m sure bourbons and Casino will temporally pick up the slack for now ...construction is busy on east end...

According to the Sosua One link posted earlier, it was more than just a few bars.
City Lights, Chez Montreal, Platinum, Kings, Flame, Hotel Bar Central, Merengue
and Classicos. Bourbon Street moved, not closed, way down near Sosua Gym,
great location for foot traffic, GOOD LUCK. This also effects the distributors they
purchase from.

Interestingly enough, places like Jolly Rogers and Britannia Pub should really do
really well with these changes.
 
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lifeisgreat

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According to the Sosua One link posted earlier, it was more than just a few bars.
City Lights, Chez Montreal, Platinum, Kings, Flame, Hotel Bar Central, Merengue
and Classicos. Bourbon Street moved, not closed, way down near Sosua Gym,
great location for foot traffic, GOOD LUCK. This also effects the distributors they
purchase from.
Never said few ,said handful symantics anyways....distributors will pick up from other places slack , plus if Dominican bar there was smart they would learn good customer service to retain clientele after monopoly gone..
 
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Bourbon street bar is still where it was.
What happened to the move?
Due to the delay (5 days) in closing down some of the other businesses on Pedro Clisante "Bourbon Street" decided to remain open at their current location, taking advantage of both the Halloween crowd and the long weekend due to the Dominican holiday being celebrated on Monday. That long weekend, along with the Jazz Festival on Playa Alicia and the visit from Ambassador Bernstein, prolonged the ultimate fate of those businesses that were shuttered last night.

Today "Bourbon Street", as advertised, is open to the public inside the Ahnvee Resort.

Like I said last week, the GOVERNMENT wants change in Sosua.

And that is exactly what the government wants for Sosua, CHANGE.

AND IT'S COMING.

NOW.

The future of Sosua will be debuting for all who care to see it this weekend. On Saturday night, inside the AHNVEE hotel, The New Skybox Disco will be opening, right in the heart of the new "red light district." Also "Bourbon Street Grill" will be closing at it's current location at the center of Pedro Clisante and on November 1, will be in their new location at the AHNVEE resort.

Most won't realize the gravity of this move by Bourbon Street, speaks volumes.

For those fans of Merengue and Classico, I suggest you pay them a visit in the very near future, it will probably be your last.

The countdown starts Saturday night. The clock is ticking.
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Looks like time ran out . . .
 

CristoRey

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I am supposed to head up there tomorrow from Santiago
to visit friends who just flew down from states. I'm looking
forward to it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less
full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging
about their conquest.
 

windeguy

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I am supposed to head up there tomorrow from Santiago
to visit friends who just flew down from states. I'm looking
forward to it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less
full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging
about their conquest
.

Which is pretty much the point of what just occurred.
 

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CristoRey said:
I'm looking forward to it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging about their conquest.

Which is pretty much the point of what just occurred.

I thought the point of what just occurred, according to you, was to re-locate the bars-only places on the PC strip to somewhere else (along with all yours and others self-righteous posturing.) Not "it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging about their conquest."

Tell us what you really think Winde
 

Ken

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I am weary of reading this thread. Had given up - until I read that YOU responded, Ken! We haven't heard from you in awhile. Glad to know that you are still around and still offering your wisdom.

Lindsey

Hi Lindsey, good to hear from you, also.
 

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Slight correction. They started the closures with Bourbon Street at exactly 10 (I was there) The power went off about 15 minutes later as hordes of police roamed from business to business. And yes it was an interesting sight. Thankfully nobody lit a firecracker because I'm not sure how those kids with the semi automatic weapons would react in the dark.

Thanks for the correction. I was impressed to think they could organize an operation of this nature and have it go off like clockwork. But 15 minutes off schedule isn't bad.
 

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It would have been better if the entire region wasn't plunged into darkness so a few businesses could be shuttered. I live nowhere near downtown Sosua and don't see why I should be made to sit in the dark at home twiddling my thumbs. I still think these closures should have happened earlier in the day and if indeed the reasoning for a nighttime operation was to "send a message", that just shows a lack of consideration for the good people of Sosua and potentially putting patrons and police in a situation of increased risk.
 

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Slight correction. They started the closures with Bourbon Street at exactly 10 (I was there) The power went off about 15 minutes later as hordes of police roamed from business to business. And yes it was an interesting sight. Thankfully nobody lit a firecracker because I'm not sure how those kids with the semi automatic weapons would react in the dark.
i know this is out of topic but i have to correct this...
semi-automatic is when the gun shoots one bullet per trigger pull. The military guys you saw where carrying Automatics which shoots continuously until the mag is empty.
 

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I thought the point of what just occurred, according to you, was to re-locate the bars-only places on the PC strip to somewhere else (along with all yours and others self-righteous posturing.) Not "it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging about their conquest."

Tell us what you really think Winde

Not sure about Winde but I stand by what I said 100%.

Nothing is more irritating when I am eating my breakfast
than having to listen to some over-weight fool with a thick
north east accent spilling the details about some prostitute
he banged the night before. "Yo, I'm tellin ya son, shawty was
mad thick"

Seriously bruh, no body gives a ****. Learn to be man, stop
gossiping like women and keep ya business to yourself.. Its like
these fools just don't get it.

Can they possibly be this clueless?

These are the same idiots who have continued promoting Sosua's
"image" on the internet (in a negative way) which has certainly
contributed to the government's most recent closure of the bars and
restaurants on PC.

And no, I am not talking about the legit business owner's who from
to time promote their establishments along with Sosua, in a positive
light.
 
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Nope - it's not just whore mongers who do not like the change. We're not whore mongers but are very concerned that 2 or 3 HUNDRED people working in these establishments are now out of work. Forget the girls. These displaced workers are now desperate people with families to feed. Forget that Christmas is right around the corner.

Remember a couple of years ago when the 3 or 4 bars/discos were shut down ? Street crime and violent crimes escalated alarmingly.

And BTW - we first heard of this shutdown this morning from a very well-respected Dominican business person in Sosua, who was almost distraught not only about the family suffering but also about the upcoming crime wave and ensuing chaos that this will once again cause.

I really didn't want to get into the back and forth that is going on in this thread. The nonsense on what a profound effect closing down a few bars on Pedro Clisante will have on the overall economy of Sosua is speculative at best and grossly misrepresented in the majority of posts here.

The fear mongering, pun intended, about the increase in crime that we can expect because a few bars are now closed, is just that, fear mongering. But worse than this biased speculation is representing a past occurrence as fact when in actuality it is TOTALLY FALSE.

When "3 or 4 bars/discos" were shut down a few years ago there was absolutely NO increase in "street crime and violent crimes". And to say these crimes "escalated alarmingly" is just plain BULLSHlT.

Street crime and violent crime has INCREASED in Sosua in recent years BECAUSE of the presence of many of the Pedro Clisante patrons. The criminals who ply their trade daily on Pedro Clisante want nothing more than the status quo or even a continuing increase in the type of tourism frequenting Sosua today. Whether it be the drug dealers who now have a much bigger client base than they had a few years ago, with more drug points in "El Batey" than ever before, or the overwhelming number of prostitutes coming from other parts of the country with not only the motive to make money by simply engaging in "pay for play", but also in pickpocketing, extorting and outright robbing "Johns" as well as those unwilling to utilize their services.

The corrupt police love extorting a "gringo" who gets caught with some weed or coke, an ever increasing occurrence these days in Sosua. And the icing on the cake is the increase in crime taking place that is actually perpetrated by some of the current tourists themselves here in Sosua, including the fairly recent arrest of an American citizen for the murder of a Dominican prostitute in a hotel here in Sosua.

The majority of criminals here are street hustlers, drug dealers, chain snatchers and other opportunists that prey on the tourists participating in the sleaze that has infiltrated Sosua and just like most of the prostitutes, they come here from other parts of the country. If their prey is no longer roaming the streets of Sosua, neither will they. Sure it's possible someone who worked at one of the bars or discos on Pedro Clisante might resort to committing crime in desperation, but most who would actually commit those crimes, whether they were working on Pedro Clisante or not, are already participating.
 

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I really didn't want to get into the back and forth that is going on in this thread. The nonsense on what a profound effect closing down a few bars on Pedro Clisante will have on the overall economy of Sosua is speculative at best and grossly misrepresented in the majority of posts here.

The fear mongering, pun intended, about the increase in crime that we can expect because a few bars are now closed, is just that, fear mongering. But worse than this biased speculation is representing a past occurrence as fact when in actuality it is TOTALLY FALSE.

When "3 or 4 bars/discos" were shut down a few years ago there was absolutely NO increase in "street crime and violent crimes". And to say these crimes "escalated alarmingly" is just plain BULLSHlT.

Street crime and violent crime has INCREASED in Sosua in recent years BECAUSE of the presence of many of the Pedro Clisante patrons. The criminals who ply their trade daily on Pedro Clisante want nothing more than the status quo or even a continuing increase in the type of tourism frequenting Sosua today. Whether it be the drug dealers who now have a much bigger client base than they had a few years ago, with more drug points in "El Batey" than ever before, or the overwhelming number of prostitutes coming from other parts of the country with not only the motive to make money by simply engaging in "pay for play", but also in pickpocketing, extorting and outright robbing "Johns" as well as those unwilling to utilize their services.

The corrupt police love extorting a "gringo" who gets caught with some weed or coke, an ever increasing occurrence these days in Sosua. And the icing on the cake is the increase in crime taking place that is actually perpetrated by some of the current tourists themselves here in Sosua, including the fairly recent arrest of an American citizen for the murder of a Dominican prostitute in a hotel here in Sosua.

The majority of criminals here are street hustlers, drug dealers, chain snatchers and other opportunists that prey on the tourists participating in the sleaze that has infiltrated Sosua and just like most of the prostitutes, they come here from other parts of the country. If their prey is no longer roaming the streets of Sosua, neither will they. Sure it's possible someone who worked at one of the bars or discos on Pedro Clisante might resort to committing crime in desperation, but most who would actually commit those crimes, whether they were working on Pedro Clisante or not, are already participating.

Are you really trying extra hard to be this clueless ?
They are not Closing Bars .. they are KICKING OUT ALL MONGERS from SOSUA.. not just Pedro C,
And with that comes a loss of Revenue.... lost jobs , more poverty.
Good luck on the other end of town trying to do promote the same business model they are in the process of eradicating on the other end of town ..
Hope you and your connected " deep pockets" friends make a bundle of money ...
and If you do , " you're a Daisy " ..as Doc Holliday used to day .
 

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I thought the point of what just occurred, according to you, was to re-locate the bars-only places on the PC strip to somewhere else (along with all yours and others self-righteous posturing.) Not "it being a little more quiet and (with any luck) less full of loud obnoxious idiots from the tri-state area bragging about their conquest."

Tell us what you really think Winde

The straw that broke the governments back on this was the posting of incidents by people from the tri-state area of the northeast. The reason the bars are being closed is damage control by trying to reduce the visibility of prostitution.

You mistakenly think that I am somehow posturing self-righteously. As a Libertarian I could care less what two consenting adults do, for pay or for free. Please direct any of that misplaced ire on the real source of the displacement, the DR government in Santo Domingo. A number of people seem to think I have some moral stake in this situation, I assure you, I do not. I am simply making observations based upon what I have seen and read about it.
 
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I really don't mind that all the bars get moved away or even shut down. However, what is the plan for all those empty buildings? Empty buildings are worse for tourism than any type of bar. Tourists don't like walking by boarded up dark areas.

Well, it is obvious! Open more Chinese "junk" stores.
 

windeguy

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Are you really trying extra hard to be this clueless ?
They are not Closing Bars .. they are KICKING OUT ALL MONGERS from SOSUA.. not just Pedro C,
And with that comes a loss of Revenue.... lost jobs , more poverty.
Good luck on the other end of town trying to do promote the same business model they are in the process of eradicating on the other end of town ..
Hope you and your connected " deep pockets" friends make a bundle of money ...
and If you do , " you're a Daisy " ..as Doc Holliday used to day .

I cannot predict the future. If the closure of hooker bars on a small section of Pedro Clisante brings a spike in crime, then time will tell on that. I could only predict that the government wanted to do "something" because they have been clearly stating so in meetings and in the news for years..
 

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Not sure about Winde but I stand by what I said 100%.

Nothing is more irritating when I am eating my breakfast
than having to listen to some over-weight fool with a thick
north east accent spilling the details about some prostitute
he banged the night before. "Yo, I'm tellin ya son, shawty was
mad thick"

Seriously bruh, no body gives a ****. Learn to be man, stop
gossiping like women and keep ya business to yourself.. Its like
these fools just don't get it.

Can they possibly be this clueless?

These are the same idiots who have continued promoting Sosua's
"image" on the internet (in a negative way) which has certainly
contributed to the government's most recent closure of the bars and
restaurants on PC.

And no, I am not talking about the legit business owner's who from
to time promote their establishments along with Sosua, in a positive
light.


I'll take that versus listening to the continuous dusty old expat conversations about how awful Sosua is.
"This place is never going to change! Whats this? 110 pesos for a pequeña!!!!
At least the "they" in your statement actually spend money, go to the beach, and feed into the local economy.
 

ctrob

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It would have been better if the entire region wasn't plunged into darkness so a few businesses could be shuttered. I live nowhere near downtown Sosua and don't see why I should be made to sit in the dark at home twiddling my thumbs. I still think these closures should have happened earlier in the day and if indeed the reasoning for a nighttime operation was to "send a message", that just shows a lack of consideration for the good people of Sosua and potentially putting patrons and police in a situation of increased risk.

Agreed. I understand sending the message, but killing the lights was a huge tactical mistake. It's not like Seal Team Six wearing night vision was coming in to take down Osama.

All it would have taken is one idiot gangster with a gun thinking they were after him and the shooting would have started. It could have been a disaster.
 
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