M.A.R.
I have been told by my Argentine teacher that they make the same sound. So, I am passing on that information.
What country are you from? What sounds do your letters make? How slight of a difference is there. Is it very noticable?
The letters "b" and "v"
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M.A.R.
I have been told by my Argentine teacher that they make the same sound. So, I am passing on that information.
What country are you from? What sounds do your letters make? How slight of a difference is there. Is it very noticable?
My post I think is lost somewhere if it returns then there will be two--- but in the mean time
MAR I have a question for you since the B/V topic fascinates me and you seem to have some information on it ... I'll ask you
What countries deferenitate the sounds? How slight are they? Or is it very noticeable?
Where are you from? Do they do that in your country? What do they sound like?
In Argentina they are the same sound.
MAR I have a question for you since the B/V topic fascinates me and you seem to have some information on it ... I'll ask you
What countries deferenitate the sounds? How slight are they? Or is it very noticeable?
Where are you from? Do they do that in your country? What do they sound like?
In Argentina they are the same sound.
Yes. However:
At the beginning of a word, before M and N the lips press on each other (more like the b in "boy" in English.)
bomba, envidia, Victoria
It is softer (the lips don't touch as much) in phonetic environments such as:
aveces, Ya viene el bandido.
More to come...
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The phonemes labial and [V]labiodental
A bit of history
The medieval consonant system had some phonemes that are not part of modern Spanish. The leveling of two similar phonemes to one took place during the late Middle Ages (some say earlier). Two phonemes that underwent change were and [v]. They were simplified to .
D?maso Alonso, Spanish author (b. 1898) has demonstrated that the ABSENCE of [V] (labiodental) extended during the late Middle Ages from Galicia and northern Portugal, passing through Leon, Castilla y Arag?n, to most of Catalu?a and some parts of France.
American Spanish also underwent the changes that were happening in the Iberian Peninsula.
A bit of history
The medieval consonant system had some phonemes that are not part of modern Spanish. The leveling of two similar phonemes to one took place during the late Middle Ages (some say earlier). Two phonemes that underwent change were and [v]. They were simplified to .
D?maso Alonso, Spanish author (b. 1898) has demonstrated that the ABSENCE of [V] (labiodental) extended during the late Middle Ages from Galicia and northern Portugal, passing through Leon, Castilla y Arag?n, to most of Catalu?a and some parts of France.
American Spanish also underwent the changes that were happening in the Iberian Peninsula.
prononation
You are incorrect the letter v is pronounced as a v not as b in boy. The problem is as I stated lazy spanish. Prime example my ex-wife dominican we married in 1991. My mother is 100% latino when we had dinner for the first time together she said BRENDA what lanuage are you speaking. She did not understand one word of her dominican spanish. We have all worked in all the spanish speakink countries in central and south america. I grew up hearing spanish from spain correct spanish.
You are incorrect the letter v is pronounced as a v not as b in boy. The problem is as I stated lazy spanish. Prime example my ex-wife dominican we married in 1991. My mother is 100% latino when we had dinner for the first time together she said BRENDA what lanuage are you speaking. She did not understand one word of her dominican spanish. We have all worked in all the spanish speakink countries in central and south america. I grew up hearing spanish from spain correct spanish.
I think I'm gonna acknowledge right here that so far the best sounding and better spoken spanish that I've experience is the Mexican spanish. I'm not sure about the other countries. Mexicans sound out every word like in "Ciudad" "Felicidad" and it sounds very nice and also I hear them sounding out the differences in "b" and "v" as in Victor. Dominicans would pronounce Victor as vito, what is that??? :cheeky:
2 left feet, I am a Dominican living in the United States. I am no expert in the Spanish language, I have taken some classes and at one time I was gonna major in Spanish language, I would loooooove to be able to have a better command of the language.
Norma the history books might say all they want to say but the truth is that I hear the difference in the v and b sounds, maybe not from most Dominicans but certainly from other latin countries, ones more than others.
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While I admit that some, ok many Dominicans don't speak well for me the Mexican Spanish is very ugly. I just can't stand the accent. I just noticed that the same accent comes across when a Mexican speaks English. For this reason I hate to watch movies in Spanish because most of them are translated by Mexicans, "que genial" - blech! Maybe they do better with their b's and v's but to me it's still not pretty.
And I just want to say that I love how one thread turns into something else. Now we are talking about accents. I know it all somewhat relates but you see where I'm going with this right? If you don't hear me out...
Capt whatever on post 25 said that his mother could not understand A WORD his ex-wife was saying because she was speaking Dominican Spanish. That struck a nerve on me and I'm sure on other Dominican members too. Our Spanish is so bad that you can't understand us? Do you see how I am complaining? This thread might turn into just that...A you said this and that and that isn't right and this is right bla bla bla.
I have to come up with a good way of moderating this Spanish 101 forum. This forum is to help people learn Spanish in one way or the other. Not to express your feelings on how you feel about the way other people speak "their" Spanish. Spanish is Spanish. We all speak it differently. It is a beautiful language.
Please lets stick to posts like "how do you say this", "what is the difference between "b" and "v", "silent h" etc.
Chip is the number one poster of this board and he posts some really great topics. So lets stick to it. I know it might be short because how much explaining is there to the difference between "b" and "v" but lets stick to it.
Thanks for reading.
Sincerely,
Concerned mod
Capt whatever on post 25 said that his mother could not understand A WORD his ex-wife was saying because she was speaking Dominican Spanish. That struck a nerve on me and I'm sure on other Dominican members too. Our Spanish is so bad that you can't understand us? Do you see how I am complaining? This thread might turn into just that...A you said this and that and that isn't right and this is right bla bla bla.
I have to come up with a good way of moderating this Spanish 101 forum. This forum is to help people learn Spanish in one way or the other. Not to express your feelings on how you feel about the way other people speak "their" Spanish. Spanish is Spanish. We all speak it differently. It is a beautiful language.
Please lets stick to posts like "how do you say this", "what is the difference between "b" and "v", "silent h" etc.
Chip is the number one poster of this board and he posts some really great topics. So lets stick to it. I know it might be short because how much explaining is there to the difference between "b" and "v" but lets stick to it.
Thanks for reading.
Sincerely,
Concerned mod
I'm with you on the translated movies, what about when they translate "great", and they say "oh que grandioso", who the heck says grandioso?? no one. Anyway chip I wasn't talking about accents, my favorite accent is argetinian, but the pronounciation of the words. I love how they speak inthe mexican novelas. I don't criticize any accent or way of speaking ok maybe I do criticize our own Dominican way of destroying words but everyone is unique and that's what's wonderful.
Alex you are too funny, ok we posted at the same time, so I had to comeback and say that you are right again mi amigo. I'll try and stick to the topic, but let me tell you one thing, you are kinda strict there my friend with your moderating, huh? not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that, thanks for giving warning 'cause most of the time you dont, but i love you anyway, muchos besos.
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No problem Angela. I want to say I'm sorry for being so strict but if I'm not this thing would be a mess. You should see what I deal with in my other forums. Clown bin specially.
Back on topic...
Perhaps this particular thread may need a bit of management but some of the more informative and useful threads on this board were ones that veered of topic to something far more interesting than the original topic. I have seen a thread asking for a translation of a sankie letter evolve into a excellent grammar lesson. Since these threads rarely get out of hand compared to other forums, a little lattitude would be nice. One my best grammar lesson was a thread started by a guy trying to express his yearning for his next Presidente in Spanish.
I stated that initial or [v] or after a nasal sound (m, n) the sound they make in more like the one in "boy" and when they are not in that phonetic position, then the sound is somewhat softer, or fricative (the lips do not touch).
Notice the position of b or v in the following sentences. The lips touch.
Vamos a comer. - Irene, vamos a comer. - Bienvenido no anda con Berta.
In the following expressions the sound is softer (lips do not touch).
Irene y yo vamos a beber un refresco. A Bienvenido no le gusta andar con su amiga Berta.
I respect the experiences you have had. I have expressed here what most people do with these two letters throughout the Spanish-speaking world.
Respectfully,
Norma
Kyle I apologize the correct pronuciations are
vivir--bee beer
beber--bay bear not bay beer like I previously said-- that would be an ir ending
If you go to wordreference.com you can hear correct pronunciations to many words.
But...... the v sound like v's--too funny-- they aren't as pronounced as an English v but I could be hearing it like that because that's what I know the letter to be. A native Spanish speaking person might hear it as a B .
The pronunciations are from Spain.
vivir--bee beer
beber--bay bear not bay beer like I previously said-- that would be an ir ending
If you go to wordreference.com you can hear correct pronunciations to many words.
But...... the v sound like v's--too funny-- they aren't as pronounced as an English v but I could be hearing it like that because that's what I know the letter to be. A native Spanish speaking person might hear it as a B .
The pronunciations are from Spain.
M.A.R. I agree I also like the sound of the Mexican spanish. They do seem to pronounce every letter. Funny thing I find myself pronouncing that slight difference between the b and v. I guess I missed out on the history part that Norma Rose refers to were the difference in pronunciation was eliminated.
I just flew in from Argentina, having spent two weeks. The v and b were as distinct as the v and b are in English. I agree they are pronounced the same in the DR and other countries, but not everywhere.
And "el voseo" was omnipresent, but that is another topic.
Steve
And "el voseo" was omnipresent, but that is another topic.
Steve
Interesting. I as I mentioned in post #34 I do this too. Must have been all those foreign movies I watch all the time.
No I don't think I do.....I was born in DR and came to the states at a young age, so I did not pick up some of the Dominican pronunciation habits, not necessarily about b and v. I don't differentiate all the time, but some times I do.
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I have a question---Why would in Spanish speaking countries would they call the letters
B ---larga
v--- corta
If they didn't make the same sound there would be no need to differentiate--
You would just call it by it's name. But if they makes the same sound you can't because they make the same sound--no?
That's not their alphabet name.--correct??
B ---larga
v--- corta
If they didn't make the same sound there would be no need to differentiate--
You would just call it by it's name. But if they makes the same sound you can't because they make the same sound--no?
That's not their alphabet name.--correct??
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Hidago I was asking what country you were from because if you were from say Cuba you would have a different accent and have learned Spanish differently. I'm trying find people from different countries and their experience.
My Spanish teacher is from Argentina.
My Spanish teacher is from Argentina.
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