The witch hunt in Sosua, can it be legal ?

[Ken]

Whats kind of sad with you Ken is that you have settled down and bought your appartment for many years ago in a city you don't like as it is. It seems that you want to change about everything, the local citizens, many ot the expats, most of the tourists, and most of the local businesses, and I guess you want to change the beach area big time. I think this is realy sad, why didn't you settle down in a place you realy liked ?

Tor, you are so wrapped up in yourself that I don't think you understand what is being posted by all, or nearly all, who have lived here for an extended period of time. They are reporting that there is general effort underway to clean up the town. Many businesses are being repainted or remodeled, for example. Why is this being done? Because the local merchants believe that improving the appearance and reputation of the town will attract a better class of tourist, and that all will benefit.

I like Sosua very much, as do all the merchants who are trying to make Sosua a more desirable tourist destination.

And, yes, I'd like to see some changes on the beach, too, though not a complete change.

During the years I was cruising, I met many, many people like you. They visit a place, then return a few years later and moan that it is not as "native" as it was before. Never mind that that there are more jobs, an improved standard of living for many, etc. They think it should remain forever just as it was FOR THEM.

It is time for you to grow up, Tor, and realize that Sosua was not meant to be just a playground for you and others of a like mind.

Whether I post in this thread or not, makes no difference. The process of change is well underway in Sosua, as you would know if you had lived here longer and spent less time on the beach and in whore bars.

 

[DominicanScotty]

Actually, it does bother us.
I have had to go to the cop shop on numerous occasions to free employees and friends.
There is a certain price one has to pay to live in such a beautiful paradise.
One can get upset at every little thing, or learn to be patient, clean up his own little corner, do his part for improving what he can, make it harder and harder for the bad guys to ply their trades and make a good environment for the good folks.
There is no magic solution, and everything takes time.

So true Marco. I know of many chicas that are simply making a buck whether it is working in a bar as a bartender, as a maid in a hotel, a waitress in a restaurant or who knows what. That doesn't make them bad people and yes, I too have gone to get them out of jail.

 

[DominicanScotty]

The owner of the Sosua By the Sea wrote this:

"Better yet, as the parents of the kids who go to school at the Hess academy on Pedro Clisante what they think of that street and what's going on just steps from where their children go to school."

You are quoting some very false and disgusting accusations here. During daytime, there is no prostitution activity here. I have lived in Sosua for 2 years now, and almost every day with "beach weather" I'm passing this school on my way to the beach usually around 1:30 Pm when they are finnished, or having a big break. It's actualluy a bit difficult passing by all these kids on the sidewalk. During the last two years, I have NEVER EVER been proposed by a prostitute in this area during daytime, and i guess I would have been a very natural target being a white single male in my forties. Neither have I NEVER EVER seen a prostitute on work on this sidewalk during daytime.

I noticed you could not give an answer to my very adequate questions before, so I suppose You will not answer this one. I'm a bit amazed that the owner of Sosua by the sea starts his career at DR1 like this.

But then you got to know who owns these bars and who are their connections. Here lies the root of the problem. It is true that these places should be no place near a school which has been there for years!

 

[DominicanScotty]

I think Rocky may have an interest in getting rid of the establishment next door to his. Or at least it's sound system. :laugh:

The other night in Rocky's a couple of new guys just got brought in by Marco from the airport. They sat down in the big plastic table near the rear of the front room. As they sat and tried to talk Anthony Santos's Aye yie yie song was blaring. It ended and started again, and again and again, and again. One guy blurted out "what the hell is up with that aye yie yie sh**?" I turned around from my spaghetti dinner and said "welcome to Sosua, get used to it"

Marco has a point and I don't blame him one bit.

 

[Danny W]

I was told the the officer who was replaced by Cobra was caught in posession of a car stolen from an important gringo, and that caused his removal. I was the victim of a shakedown by this person (and a few others) so I certainly welcome the change. I try to write off the shakedown in my mind as my dues paying, initiation fee or cram course in Dominican reality. It seems like you are forced to take the good with the bad when it comes to DR law enforcement. Hard to live with it, hard to live without it. - D

 

[Tor]

Tor, you are so wrapped up in yourself that I don't think you understand what is being posted by all, or nearly all, who have lived here for an extended period of time. They are reporting that there is general effort underway to clean up the town. Many businesses are being repainted or remodeled, for example. Why is this being done? Because the local merchants believe that improving the appearance and reputation of the town will attract a better class of tourist, and that all will benefit.

I like Sosua very much, as do all the merchants who are trying to make Sosua a more desirable tourist destination.

And, yes, I'd like to see some changes on the beach, too, though not a complete change.

During the years I was cruising, I met many, many people like you. They visit a place, then return a few years later and moan that it is not as "native" as it was before. Never mind that that there are more jobs, an improved standard of living for many, etc. They think it should remain forever just as it was FOR THEM.

It is time for you to grow up, Tor, and realize that Sosua was not meant to be just a playground for you and others of a like mind.

Whether I post in this thread or not, makes no difference. The process of change is well underway in Sosua, as you would know if you had lived here longer and spent less time on the beach and in whore bars.

Well it's seems to me that you want quite another Sosua than the one you have lived in for so many years, so I still think it's sad you didn't chosed a city you realy liked to begin with. Ofcourse no one disslike shops and business being repainted and repared. But who do think is the customers in the new womens cloth stores that has opened ? It's not mainly AI's customers, but local girls getting their money from tourists. I must dissapoint you, I'm not so much out on what you call whore bars, but yes i spend a lot of time at Sosua beach, wich is a place i realy love, and that I have in commen with thousands of other people. You should check out Richards Sosua group on yahoo. I have followed that group for six years now, and it has hundreds of hundreds of people, most familiy people, who has that in common that they like Sosua for what it is. Prostitution is hardly an issue on that board.
Your talking so much of that you know everything that goes on in Sosua. I saw you just posted about Piergiorgio which is your neigbour hotel. If you know so much, why didn't you say that they are changing it into a condominium ?
You made a stupid joke about complaining to the PN about the police actions, if you had been out after dark, you would have known that it is the Politur that is most active with that. You says I'm hanging so much in whore bars ?
Can you tell which bars in Sosua that is a whore bar, and which bars that's not ?

 

[AnnaC]

Can you tell which bars in Sosua that is a whore bar, and which bars that's not ?

Yes the ones that have very loud music but no one is dancing. They are busy the at bar making contracts. :nervous:

 

[DominicanScotty]

There are the girls in the USA who work as prostitutes who have good heads on their shoulders but for the most part will do anything for money except get a real job. Who wants to be a regular working class joe/jane when you can just get what you want the "EASY WAY"? Prostitution in the USA can sometimes lead to a materially richer life-Heidi Fliess used to charge clients thousands of dollars an hour for her girls when she ran her high-priced brothel. These girls are different than the run-of-the-mill streetwalkers but you get my point. Laziness. Heidi Fleiss once said that men should pay for whatever a girl wants. This warped sense of entitlement among some of the "pretty people" of the world is what draws them to this line of work. The same reason why a pretty girl will look to date and hopefully marry a rich guy regardless of his looks. It's alot easier than having to work for it, and beauty sells regardless of what country you live in.

Exactly, look at the incoming and outgoing flights from Mc Carron Intl Airport in Las Vegas from LA, SD, and SF. Those college girls from USC, UCLA, UNLV ect with their pre med degrees and law degrees are also coming into "Sin City" to make some mighty fast and very big money. Drive out to the Bunny Ranch or Crazy Horse and those Mercedes Benzes are not owned by the customers, they are owned by the strippers and hookers. Then after a few days of $3,000 plus nights of lap dancing and VIP rooms including going to a hotel room for the right price these college girls climb back into those shuttle flights and back to their books.

 

[Ken]

Tor, I'm tired of the pissing contest.

In closing, the remodeling, construction of new shops, etc., is not being done in anticipation of an influx of visitors attracted by cheap sex.

 

[Carlito]

For more than a week now, the police have been very active arresting girls after dark in Sosua. It seem they are taking almost every local girl they sees, prostitutes or not. After what I have heard they will be relased if they pay 1500 pesos.
Is it realy legal what the Police does ?

Remember, the DR is under French Law, not American Law,
After a traffic accident they lock you in jail,
Thats why I joined the Policia Nacional when I lived there in my 20's,
a bit extreme, but it worked and was very interesting.

 

[MISTER NYC]

Macy's, etc.

So if the employee doubled her wages, but she could still get US$100 from an idiot Gringo, what do you think she is going to do?

Prostitutes on the street having nothing to do with low wages. It's a much bigger, Dominican centered problem than that.
Do you have hookers in New York because Macy's isn't paying enough?

Plenty of decent girls work regular jobs and don't hang out on Duarte.
Why is that?

Nah... If we doubled the wages and came close to or surpassed the higher cost of living down there, there would be less of a problem indeed. Yes, the rise in prostitution highly correlates with the low paying jobs and the higher cost of living down there in my opinion and I will continue to practice what I preach. We just see the economics of it differently and that is ok. Opinions are like assholes and we know every one has one.

Most of the hookers that are in NYC come from out of state and are runaways and drug addicts....its there higher cost of living that forces them to look for a quick score for cash. Get it now? Higher cost of living, etc.

I know of many "decent" and "fantastic" girls that hang out anywhere they choose to because they dont care if someone thinks they are approachable for this because they will just say no and go away and will not let the the hoes ruin there good time. Decent and fantastic girls need to have a good time too and go to the discos, casinos, bars, etc.

Enough written...Thanks for reading. Yes, I have lived in DR and come quite often still.

P.s. Thanks for the nomination to be the next Mayor, but I gracefully decline.