Effing a right Chip. The OP has an adgenda. Just another Canadian looking to bash the US. The troops are there because they are needed. I am sure the US has many better sh!tholes to train their troops than Hatia. OP is just another political agitator. ACORN
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Us troops, helping haiti or themselves??
Effing a right Chip. The OP has an adgenda. Just another Canadian looking to bash the US. The troops are there because they are needed. I am sure the US has many better sh!tholes to train their troops than Hatia. OP is just another political agitator. ACORN
Taiwan has the slight problem of not getting international recognition. How can it be the Republic of China(its formal name) when there is the parent state that disputes that existence, the Peoples Republic of China? And what is the exact point of selling Taiwan arms? To defend itself against who? When? and for how long? Its a shell game in the South China Sea, cant you see? And by the way, who manages the Panama Canal? Its some Chinese company isnt it?
Chip, spare me the propaganda. I read the newsletter and it chafed my asss. Tell them to put some lanolin or aloe vera in those pages.
Thousands of criminals running free? Says who? FOX news? They dont have jurisprudence in haiti so you dont know an convicted criminal from a pretrial detainee, political vendettas, nor bullies.
Securing the peace? Are you speaking code Batman? Do you need to borrow my magic markers to paint a better picture of chaos and calamity than already existed. It wasnt unpeaceful when they werent there. "Looting" you say, that is am insular perspective on survival. It the food and water is going to waste and I am in need of such things there is no looting.
Criticize the US military with constant 24/7/365 readiness that needed 3 weeks to get itself in the field of turmoil even though there are armories all over the southeastern United States that stock these rations and supplies "at the ready". And I m not even talking specifically about Haiti. I can include Hurricane Katrina AND Hurricane Andrew(which hit Miami IN 1992!). All of that is disaster training(trial by fire we call it). You learn fromt he past and prepare for the future. But that never happens does it. The past repeats itself and there you are left dumbfounded and unprepared...so you would have us believe. But no, its a plot.
And dont get me started on self-effacing "missionaries" especially those proselytizing "christian ones".
Jumbo, I m going to play my banjo to your jingoism. "She ll be coming around the mountain when she comes"
Unlike you I was in Haiti and am relaying what I heard from Ted a long time resident married to a Haitian.
If you don't believe me call him at the Quisqueya Relief Center: 509 3773-4774.
If he doesn't pick up or can't chat it's because he's actually doing something for the Haitian people, rather that spouting a lot of hot air and dribble!
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I wish the US Govt. would get their heads out of their as*** and realize the only appreciated use of our troops is to bomb, shoot and blow people up, this humanitarian crap has to stop
Seems after reading the March issue of Stars and Stripes and looking at some affiliated web sites, it seems that the main objective for troops deployed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground for troops that have no combat training,irate: getting them ready for Afghanistan rather than rendering services to the earthquake victims in Haiti.
I find this typical of US standards, and seems we are not alone, the Canadian military is using Haiti for the same.
Hummmmm
This is not WW 2, the US no longer requires foreign staging areas, they use them new fangled CV's, air Mobility etc.
A Mulberry harbor or airstrip at Tinian is no longer needed
A Mulberry harbor or airstrip at Tinian is no longer needed
I'm from the states...not canada!!!!
I'll bet you think NYC 911 was not a conspiracy too......haha
There is no agenda....I posted something I thought others might be interested in, seeing as how Haiti is their neighbor. If the US had better sh!holes to train their troops, then they'd be there, wouldn't they? I didn't write the article, I posted it. I think you need to go take a pill.
I'll bet you think NYC 911 was not a conspiracy too......haha
No one is criticizing the US military?? at least not in the article I posted. It was general information,and unbias. People interpret things differently which leads to speculation.limpiate la baba porfi.
Amazing how many people criticize the US military wherever.
FYI bozos, I was in Haiti and they needed the US military, remember thousands of criminals were running free, raping, looting and killing.
There are only 2,400 US miltary now and our doing a fantastic job securing the peace for Hatians and thousands of foreign volunteers and missionaries.
Also, fyi thge US miliary's duty is to constantly train, whether that be Colombia, SC or Afghanistan.
I'm well aware of how the military operates, and how they train. I did my time overseas in 1969, so you're not telling me anything I don't already know.
My point was and is...the US always has a method to their madness, or lets say more than one M/O
The backlash to your post...
although no one has cited it yet, is probably to your statement that "it seems that the main objective for troops depoyed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground...."
Having reviewed your sources cited to, I cannot find anything that supports that statement.
Anyone who has ever served in the military realizes that anything you do, or anywhere you go while in the military serves some ancillary purpose for potential future military use. And yes, those troops are being readied for deployment under President Obama's mandate to increase troop strength in Afghanistan.
But to categorically state that the "Main" objective of the US involvement in the Haitian crisis was for training in Afghanistan and not humanitarian purposes is a real stretch of what was said in your cited publications.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Seems after reading the March issue of Stars and Stripes and looking at some affiliated web sites, it seems that the main objective for troops deployed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground for troops that have no combat training,
I find this typical of US standards, and seems we are not alone, the Canadian military is using Haiti for the same.
Hummmmm
although no one has cited it yet, is probably to your statement that "it seems that the main objective for troops depoyed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground...."
Having reviewed your sources cited to, I cannot find anything that supports that statement.
Anyone who has ever served in the military realizes that anything you do, or anywhere you go while in the military serves some ancillary purpose for potential future military use. And yes, those troops are being readied for deployment under President Obama's mandate to increase troop strength in Afghanistan.
But to categorically state that the "Main" objective of the US involvement in the Haitian crisis was for training in Afghanistan and not humanitarian purposes is a real stretch of what was said in your cited publications.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
as probably the only poster in this thread who has spent time with US troops in haiti, i can categorically state that none of them were very happy to be there and it hardly seemed like training; they were just doing boring patrols and keeping security.
they were doing their duty because their country asked them to. this thread is quite silly.
they were doing their duty because their country asked them to. this thread is quite silly.
Taiwan is recognized. We have an embassy there and they have an embassy here. Their UN recognition was pulled as a carrot to get "Red" China to participate. It's kind of difficult to have a World governing body without a third of the World's population (at the time) being involved.
You have got to get to Panama. My firt trip was in the 70's (TDY - Howard AFB) and it's a whole different kind of place since they got the CZ back. There's prosperity...for Panamanians and yeah a Chinese company does run port operations. The same one that bid on operations contracts for the ports of Los Angeles and Baltimore. It's a 25 year contract and they proved the best value...that's all. An old schoolmate of mine works for ACP and I got the tour after the handover. It, and the nations economic future are pretty impressive, now that they've got a fully functioning, democratically elected government.
South Korea has also greatly benefitted from US military involvement and their economy has grown very strong. Before Hyundai built cars they were (and still are) huge in the cargo ship building business. The Pacific nations whose economies we've guided have done very well for themselves. They now manufacture at a healthy profit most of the things that we can't seem to.
Phillipppins, Democratic Republic.
VietNam, We got out and is 1 vietnam now
Cambodia, We were never there.
Nicaragua, We provided troop training and equipment.
El Salvador We provided troop training and equipment.
Panama Democratic Republic.
Dominican Republic, Democratic Republic lots of problems but mainly their own fault.
Jordan ? Never There
Kazakstan? Never There
Tajikstan? Never There
Czec Republic There as part of NATO and UN.
Iran Support and arms sales to the Shau
Taiwan Democratic Republic, much to mainland China's disgust. Asian Tiger
South Korea Democratic Republic. Asian Tiger.
Thailand We provided troop training and equipment. No direct involvmnt
Phillipppins, Democratic Republic. -muslim insurgency as we speak
VietNam, We got out and is 1 vietnam now-could ve stayed out save many more lives
Cambodia, We were never there. -Death from above
Nicaragua, We provided troop training and equipment. -Jaja. "Give me your poor, tired, huddled masses, yearning to be free and I ll give them an ample starburst from an AR-15 or M1 Garand."
El Salvador We provided troop training and equipment.- Jaja. Banana Republic of United Fruit Company
Panama Democratic Republic. After military conquest and subversion.
Dominican Republic, Democratic Republic lots of problems but mainly their own fault. -I dont think so. I hear so many you dudes accept the status quo as though it is impenetrable, buying into the class system here. I wonder what you do in the FORMER apartheid system of South Africa. Make excuses or advocate for change?
Jordan ? Never There -We will be greeted as liberators, the pre-quel
Kazakstan? Never There- military base in the "War on terror"
Tajikstan? Never There- military base in the "war on terror"
Czec Republic There as part of NATO and UN. -Russian invasion in the 60s after American proselytizing
Iran Support and arms sales to the Shau-puppet leader deposed
Taiwan Democratic Republic, much to mainland China's disgust. Asian Tiger Paper Tiger
South Korea Democratic Republic. Asian Tiger. Still waiting for that magic unification, where has it gone? I d say a heavily subidized economy cannot afford to take on its failed brother state without total economic collapse.
Thailand We provided troop training and equipment. No direct involvmnt-Present red shirt political turmoil. Et Cetera, et cetera, et cetera as Yule Brennar would say in the King and I
final example :
The School of the Americas, Fort Benning, Georgia
VietNam, We got out and is 1 vietnam now-could ve stayed out save many more lives
Cambodia, We were never there. -Death from above
Nicaragua, We provided troop training and equipment. -Jaja. "Give me your poor, tired, huddled masses, yearning to be free and I ll give them an ample starburst from an AR-15 or M1 Garand."
El Salvador We provided troop training and equipment.- Jaja. Banana Republic of United Fruit Company
Panama Democratic Republic. After military conquest and subversion.
Dominican Republic, Democratic Republic lots of problems but mainly their own fault. -I dont think so. I hear so many you dudes accept the status quo as though it is impenetrable, buying into the class system here. I wonder what you do in the FORMER apartheid system of South Africa. Make excuses or advocate for change?
Jordan ? Never There -We will be greeted as liberators, the pre-quel
Kazakstan? Never There- military base in the "War on terror"
Tajikstan? Never There- military base in the "war on terror"
Czec Republic There as part of NATO and UN. -Russian invasion in the 60s after American proselytizing
Iran Support and arms sales to the Shau-puppet leader deposed
Taiwan Democratic Republic, much to mainland China's disgust. Asian Tiger Paper Tiger
South Korea Democratic Republic. Asian Tiger. Still waiting for that magic unification, where has it gone? I d say a heavily subidized economy cannot afford to take on its failed brother state without total economic collapse.
Thailand We provided troop training and equipment. No direct involvmnt-Present red shirt political turmoil. Et Cetera, et cetera, et cetera as Yule Brennar would say in the King and I
final example :
The School of the Americas, Fort Benning, Georgia
Sorry if I offended you, maybe I should have used only rather than main. Just my view, nothing more. Maybe the 'timing" was just right.
Amen
No offense taken.
Whether you used "only" or "main" matters little.
What does matter is the issue first pointed out by Beeza above. Your writing led one to believe the sources you quoted advocated/supported your statement. I merely pointed out that I could find nothing in those sources to support that contention.
Since you have now clarified here that what you said in the original post was not stated in Stars and Stripes or the other cited publications and in fact were "just my view," and you are certainly entitled to it, I thank you for your clarification.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Whether you used "only" or "main" matters little.
What does matter is the issue first pointed out by Beeza above. Your writing led one to believe the sources you quoted advocated/supported your statement. I merely pointed out that I could find nothing in those sources to support that contention.
Since you have now clarified here that what you said in the original post was not stated in Stars and Stripes or the other cited publications and in fact were "just my view," and you are certainly entitled to it, I thank you for your clarification.
Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
military training
There are US military training exercises going on all over the World including the Domican Republic so I don't understand why their training exercises in Haiti would even be newsworthy. Military combat components cannot be allowed to "rust" so when they're not fighting, they're training. Always.
Only those who have never been involved with combat operations could understate their complexities. There's a lot to consider when these troops are deployed because of the myriad of logistical, technical, mechanical and human problems which can occur and these can only be worked out in the field.
For instance: The concept of the "Light Infantry Division". Seemed like a good idea during the Korean war. A group of infantry troops who were all experts in a 2nd MOS and served as their own mechanics, medics, communications specialists, cooks, admin, etc. That is until very adaptive Viet Cong figured out that 1 sniper with 1 rifle could shoot 2-3 bullets per day at varying intervals, sending the base camp into full alert and effectively "double shifting" every GI therein and nobody got any rest. After a few weeks of this it was relatively easy to overrun a camp full of worn out combatants. This is stuff that the modern fighting force learns in the field. Problems are discovered and solutions are effected.
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There are US military training exercises going on all over the World including the Domican Republic so I don't understand why their training exercises in Haiti would even be newsworthy. Military combat components cannot be allowed to "rust" so when they're not fighting, they're training. Always.
Only those who have never been involved with combat operations could understate their complexities. There's a lot to consider when these troops are deployed because of the myriad of logistical, technical, mechanical and human problems which can occur and these can only be worked out in the field.
For instance: The concept of the "Light Infantry Division". Seemed like a good idea during the Korean war. A group of infantry troops who were all experts in a 2nd MOS and served as their own mechanics, medics, communications specialists, cooks, admin, etc. That is until very adaptive Viet Cong figured out that 1 sniper with 1 rifle could shoot 2-3 bullets per day at varying intervals, sending the base camp into full alert and effectively "double shifting" every GI therein and nobody got any rest. After a few weeks of this it was relatively easy to overrun a camp full of worn out combatants. This is stuff that the modern fighting force learns in the field. Problems are discovered and solutions are effected.
Counter Surveillance Camera detects binoculars, cameras and rifle scopes pointing at you and even people staring
Seems after reading the March issue of Stars and Stripes and looking at some affiliated web sites, it seems that the main objective for troops deployed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground for troops that have no combat training,
I find this typical of US standards, and seems we are not alone, the Canadian military is using Haiti for the same.
Hummmmm
Hmmmmmm, indeed. It seems you didn't actually read the "March issue" of Stars and Stripes at all, as you originally stated, which obviously leads one to question the authenticity of your sources.
I see some value in RacerX's comments. At least he is giving some reasoned arguments, and is willing to present reliable evidence, and legitimate justification for his opinions.
However, you, BlueBoy, have offered nothing more than some duplicitous two-stepping, a dollop of defensive double-talk, topped with a garnish of half-baked ideological clap-trap.
You would do well to actually read Stars and Stripes before you start referring to its content.
Actually I get the E version online, read it most days. You can question whatever you like, Stars and Stripes as well as Global Research are both most notable. Again, I didn't write the article.........but then again wouldn't expect anything less from a redneck from New Hampshire.
Go find what issue it's in, they have a nice archives section going back to 1918. I'll give you something better to do than be an idiot here.
Amen.....again.
Come on Blue Boy, you can do better than that. You should know there are no 'red necks' in New Hampshire. Just us 'died in the wool' WASPs.
Again, try presenting some constructive arguments and leave the overly defensive rhetoric to someone a tad more capable.
Again, try presenting some constructive arguments and leave the overly defensive rhetoric to someone a tad more capable.
Seems after reading the March issue of Stars and Stripes and looking at some affiliated web sites, it seems that the main objective for troops deployed to Haiti was for Haiti to be used for a training ground for troops that have no combat training,
I find this typical of US standards, and seems we are not alone, the Canadian military is using Haiti for the same.
Hummmmm
You haven't got a clue of what you are talking about, other than all operations are treated as learning experiences....ie what went right, what went wrong, what can we do better, how can we apply what we learned. I know many troops that went to Haiti, and have been or are going to Afghanistan and your assessment in out to lunch.