Come on Ringo, they all say that until we leave enough rope to hang ourselves....I just had to throw Antonia out of my bird room, she was taking out the newspaper and replacing it with a Plastic drop cloth..Not only that, But taped it in place...What!!??? Thats disgusting!! how do you change that I asked.. This happened to be for my Pigeon Shelby, i need to use newspaper so I can duh! change the paper...His droppings are normal, not like a wild pigeon so its not such a mess as you would think..Bottom line, we discussed all of this when we moved into our new place..See, I got that "ITS UP TO YOU HONEY STUFF TOO"..BAM!! its a setup guys!! Bob has been setup..LOL