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elchino

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An American espionage agent? No doubt

Rick Snyder said:
I meant to post this to this thread instead of the other thread;

Lumumba,

Your subversiveness here in the “Government” forum really suprises me. The thought that quickly comes to mind is that you are related to a board member whose name starts with “M” or, due to your almost newbie status, you are a sock of same member. Of course there is always the possibility that you are in cahoots with a certain South American government but hey what do I know.

Your post does in fact bring up some very important questions which I feel must be addressed. The first question is are you Dominican? From your post here I would have thought so but your post here indicates otherwise. Your nationality, I think, stop, stop, stop, stop!!!!!!

I just did a search of your 11 posts and come up with some interesting facts. You are not Dominican! You have been planning this idea of subversion on the DR since at least Dec of 2005 and your obsession with firearms is apparent, (Read this thread completely)!

After that burst of energy in Jan of 06 you laid dormant till March when you inquired about an English school, which I assume is for your cousin here, and never responded to the help that the board members offered you.

Then today you make 4 posts of which 3 are to start new threads preaching your desire for an international group to overthrow the DR government. 1, 2, 3, and this thread here.

It is my honest desire that the powers to be on this board ban you from this board. As I live here and do in fact like the country and its people and believe that democracy is the best form of government for this country then people such as yourself that advertise a desire to overthrow that government should be banned. My opinion.

Rick
U.S.A. is not so much the problem, the problem is the lack of law enforcement to protect the national sovereignty of the Dominican territory:

CAUTION DR1 READERS, THIS R.S. GUY DON'T LOVE DOM.REP. HE IS JUST AN AGENT, A SOURCE FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, ACTING AS AN INFORMATION AND PUBLIC OPINION MANIPULATOR. ACTING AS EYES AND HEARS; HE ASSIGNMENT IS TO DO WHAT HE IS DOING.

AS YOU CAN SEE ABOVE, R.S DOES HIS HOMEWORK AND RESEARCH: HE IS AFTER ALL R.S. A YANKEE, A FORMER SOLDIER AND FOR SURE DOM. REP. IS JUST HIS CURRENT POST, TO DEFEND HIS GOVERNMENT'S BEST INTEREST.

INDEED, DOMINICANS SHOULD MINIMIZE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DEPENDENCY AND INFLUENCE AND KEEP DEMOCRACY. MY OPINION!
p.s. the word above is surprise not "suprise"
 
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LUMUMBA,

I always ask myself about people like you…
I know you did a lot of research in your “free peoples movement” website. But did you look anywhere else? Have you ever considered the opposing argument?
Since I know you don’t understand a drop of economics, I’m not going to waste my time writing anymore.

Castro wanted a CLOSED economy. Look at what he's doing now. If there are no Cubans leaving the country is because they can’t!

So what if Black Cubans are allowed in the beaches?
Cuba was one of the last (don’t remember if it’s Brazil or Cuba) countries in this hemisphere to end slavery. Civil rights granted to Black Cubans can be attributed to the Revolution. But how long could they have gone without giving them their rights if there was no revolution?
All your quotes are the “revolution” brainwashing people. And don’t tell me they didn’t brainwash, my stepmother grew up in Cuba. How would they know what’s good for them if they don’t know anything other than Cuba?

There is no fast growing communist movement in DR. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Morales is an IDIOT.
Chavez is an IDIOT. Even though I get hyped with his anti-imperialist speeches, I can’t ignore all the damage he is doing to his country.
lulumba said:
You remind of the U.S. government.. promote "democracy," except when the people elect someone you don't like, then oppose it (see: Nicragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Viet Nam, Palestine, Belarus, etc. etc. etc.).
This is from a guy who supports Castro, one of the longest standing dictators in Latin America.

I don’t get bothered by your ignorance as far as the socialist movement in Latin America. But for you to say that Caama~o was trying to spur a socialist revolution in DR gets my blood flowing. YES he was in Cuba, but he WAS NOT a communist. In fact, when he was in Cuba, there was a Dominican group that was trying to spur a socialist revolution. It was called the MPD. He was friendly with them, but he made it a point to differentiate himself from them and their agenda. He was friendly with Castro, because they had a common enemy not because they thought alike.

Though I am not usually the type to support Mr. Snyder’s methods, criticizing a person’s educational background (as much as the phrase “illimination of illiteracy” hurts my eyes) and threatening with banning, I have to side with him. You have NO idea about what you’re talking about.
What you really are is a complete idiot.
 
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reply to just parts of this rant

LUMUMBA said:
Make no mistake about it. Cuba is a poor country, it has a history of being a colony and the U.S. has held a vicious blockade over it for 5 decades. This blockade means Cuba has limited markets to sell her goods (if a plane or boat goes to Cuba, it can't go the U.S. for months; If something, like a car, contains even one bolt made in Cuba, it can't be sold in the U.S.; etc.); but even with all that, Cuba's social measures are the best in all of Latin America, and most of the third world. It surpasses even the U.S. goliath in many categories. Even without embargos, no countries that come from a similar background come even close to the social acheivements of Cuba..

And contrary to the image perpetuated by the right wing media, by percentage, few Cubans actually leave Cuba. There are many reasons that those who do, do. Firstly, before the Cuban Revolution the United States gave very few Cubans visas to come to the United States, but after the revolution the doors were opened wide. Secondly, there's the embargo (which has been condemed several times in the United Nations by almost every country in the world) which has caused the people of Cuba to suffer. Finally, the United States enacted the 'Cuban Adjustment Act', the only act of its kind anywhere in the world, which grants residency to anyone, no matter if they are a criminal or not, who leaves Cuba and reaches the United States in any fashion. Imagine if the same act applied to all of Latin America! How many people from other countries would leave for the United States? How many people leave places like capitalist Mexico and the capitalist Dominican Republic now? Then you've got the constant pro-U.S. propaganda being beaming into Cuba from the U.S. that makes the U.S. seem like the greatest country in the world. Of course, the reality is something different, as more than a few Cubans have noted:

"A young Cuban explains, ?I think some people come to Cuba to find our unhappiness. They can only see what we don?t have. The things that make life in Cuba different from the States, as if there?s only one way to make happiness.?

"He continues, ?I have one friend who went to Miami. He came back for a visit, and once he got to Havana, he refused to leave. He told me that in America he knew no one. No one spoke to him. No one looked him in the eyes when he walked on the sidewalk. He was really unhappy. Told me that drugs and violence and racism scared him, a lot.?

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they should talk to the Cuban's in Miami, it has been proposed many times to drop the Blockade, and each time protests and crap from the Miami Cuban's.

Yes they have limited market due the blockade, (all of the rest of the countries) in the world!. Want to go there ,fly from Canada, mexico, DR. etc. no problem.

In Miami your friend should have felt right at home, unless he was trying to tell a cuban in miami how great it was in cuba, the other folks that live there could care less. Remember Elian Gonzolas. Most everybody in the US including Cubans that did not live in Miami, believed after his mother died he should return to his father, but not guess who.

Maybe you need to look at this link on immigration http://www.culturalorientation.net/cubans/IMMI.HTM
And for the Radio transmittion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Marti
http://www.cubapolidata.com/ach/ach.html
http://www.martinoticias.com/default2.asp
 

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elchino said:
U.S.A. is not so much the problem, the problem is the lack of law enforcement to protect the national sovereignty of the Dominican territory:

CAUTION DR1 READERS, THIS R.S. GUY DON'T LOVE DOM.REP. HE IS JUST AN AGENT, A SOURCE FOR A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT, ACTING AS AN INFORMATION AND PUBLIC OPINION MANIPULATOR. ACTING AS EYES AND HEARS; HE ASSIGNMENT IS TO DO WHAT HE IS DOING.

AS YOU CAN SEE ABOVE, R.S DOES HIS HOMEWORK AND RESEARCH: HE IS AFTER ALL R.S. A YANKEE, A FORMER SOLDIER AND FOR SURE DOM. REP. IS JUST HIS CURRENT POST, TO DEFEND HIS GOVERNMENT'S BEST INTEREST.

INDEED, DOMINICANS SHOULD MINIMIZE FOREIGN COUNTRIES DEPENDENCY AND INFLUENCE AND KEEP DEMOCRACY. MY OPINION!
p.s. the word above is surprise not "suprise"
Since you like FACTS can you PROVE the accusations you just made. On another point you seem to me to be the siamese twin of LUMUMBA.
 

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Does your DR1 name have anything to do with Patrice Lumumba who was the prime minister of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
 

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A spy: Is the "FACT"

thanatos said:
Since you like FACTS can you PROVE the accusations you just made. On another point you seem to me to be the siamese twin of LUMUMBA.

DUE TO U.S. CODES AND STATUTES IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL TO EXPOSE A CIA OPERATIVE AGENT, WITH FACTS.

BESIDES, THATS LIKE A PART-TIME JOB FOR SOME RETIRED FORMER SOLDIERS. ONLY IN DOM. REP. CAN R.S. SERVE, AND I DON'T WONDER WHY. MY OPINION.

An agent employed by a state to obtain secret information, especially of a military nature, concerning its potential or actual enemies.
One employed by a company to obtain confidential information about its competitors.
One who secretly keeps watch on another or others.
An act of spying.

v. spied, (spd) spy·ing, spies (spz)
v. tr.
To observe secretly with hostile intent.
To discover by close observation.
To catch sight of: spied the ship on the horizon.
To investigate intensively.

v. intr.
To engage in espionage.
To seek or observe something secretly and closely.
To make a careful investigation: spying into other people's activities.
There is a good reason why R.S. always ask: Are you Dominican?
 
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thanatos said:
Does your DR1 name have anything to do with Patrice Lumumba who was the prime minister of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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elchino said:
DUE TO U.S. CODES AND STATUTES IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL TO EXPOSE A CIA OPERATIVE AGENT, WITH FACTS.

BESIDES, THATS LIKE A PART-TIME JOB FOR SOME RETIRED FORMER SOLDIERS. ONLY IN DOM. REP. CAN R.S. SERVE, AND I DON'T WONDER WHY. MY OPINION.

An agent employed by a state to obtain secret information, especially of a military nature, concerning its potential or actual enemies.
One employed by a company to obtain confidential information about its competitors.
One who secretly keeps watch on another or others.
An act of spying.

v. spied, (spd) spy·ing, spies (spz)
v. tr.
To observe secretly with hostile intent.
To discover by close observation.
To catch sight of: spied the ship on the horizon.
To investigate intensively.

v. intr.
To engage in espionage.
To seek or observe something secretly and closely.
To make a careful investigation: spying into other people's activities.
There is a good reason why R.S. always ask: Are you Dominican?
Are you trying to do a psyops thing here. Anyway by making these accusations you already are exposing someone, so be careful the long arm of the US goverment will grab you by the balls and ship you to Abu Ghraib.:eek:gre:
 

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LUMUMBA,

I always ask myself about people like you…
I know you did a lot of research in your “free peoples movement” website. But did you look anywhere else? Have you ever considered the opposing argument?

If you'll go back and look through my posts I linked to alot of different sources.

Since I know you don’t understand a drop of economics, I’m not going to waste my time writing anymore.

I graduated with a BA in Economics from UMASS in Amherst.. so what is it you want to talk about?

Castro wanted a CLOSED economy. Look at what he's doing now. If there are no Cubans leaving the country is because they can’t!

What is "he doing now?" 11.9% growth last year was the highest growth Cuba's ever had. Cuba offers more international aid as a percentage of what they have than any country on earth. Cuba is an internationalist country.

And you make me laugh.. one minute it's "look at all the Cubans that leave for the U.S.".. then when it's proven that more leave Mexico or the DR by percentage it's "Cubans can't leave Cuba"!! LOLOL!

So what if Black Cubans are allowed in the beaches?

So what to you, not so what to Black people.

Cuba was one of the last (don’t remember if it’s Brazil or Cuba) countries in this hemisphere to end slavery. Civil rights granted to Black Cubans can be attributed to the Revolution. But how long could they have gone without giving them their rights if there was no revolution?

Civil rights have never been "granted" to Black people anywhere. They have only come as a result of the struggles of the poor and oppressed. How long was it until Blacks had equal rights in South Africa?? Until the late 90's! And what did Nelson Mandela have to say about Cuba's part in bringing that about?? He says, "Long live the Cuban Revolution. Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

All your quotes are the “revolution” brainwashing people. And don’t tell me they didn’t brainwash, my stepmother grew up in Cuba. How would they know what’s good for them if they don’t know anything other than Cuba?

Something like 85% of people in the U.S. don't have a passport, but yet, they're all so confident that the U.S. is "the greatest country in the world" right? LOL

Cubans have a better, and more international, education that most people on earth; and this is according to that evil communist organization, the United Nations..

There is no fast growing communist movement in DR. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Yeah, you're probably right... but wait:

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Morales is an IDIOT.
Chavez is an IDIOT. Even though I get hyped with his anti-imperialist speeches, I can’t ignore all the damage he is doing to his country.

Read what I said about Morales and Chavez. And like I said, all social indicators have improved under both of them.. but rather than respond to that with any facts or evidence, you'll just making a statement with nothing to back it up.

This is from a guy who supports Castro, one of the longest standing dictators in Latin America.

Even if Castro was a dictator, then he would be THE longest standing in Latin America, not "one of the longest standing".. you can't even argue right from your own position, lol.

But as far as Castro being a "dictator," it's pure nonsense. But what's a little fact in the face of an enormous lie?

Participation is key to Cuba’s democracy
Five reasons why the people rule in Cuba
The Truth About Cuba
Let's talk about Cuban democracy

I don’t get bothered by your ignorance as far as the socialist movement in Latin America. But for you to say that Caama~o was trying to spur a socialist revolution in DR gets my blood flowing. YES he was in Cuba, but he WAS NOT a communist. In fact, when he was in Cuba, there was a Dominican group that was trying to spur a socialist revolution. It was called the MPD. He was friendly with them, but he made it a point to differentiate himself from them and their agenda. He was friendly with Castro, because they had a common enemy not because they thought alike.

Source? Anything to back this up at all? How many guerrilla movements in Latin America fought to overthrow one bourgeois president and put another in his place? Caamaño is a hero of the oppressed, a socialist revolutionary that sought to rally the workers and farmers of RD to create a truly democratic, equal, free and just socialist republic.

Though I am not usually the type to support Mr. Snyder’s methods, criticizing a person’s educational background (as much as the phrase “illimination of illiteracy” hurts my eyes) and threatening with banning, I have to side with him. You have NO idea about what you’re talking about.
What you really are is a complete idiot.

More ad homs! This has to be a record. Not a single person has engaged in a principled debate with me yet. All have been forced to resort to personal attacks (which, even if they were true, would have no bearing on whether what I posted was correct or not; research logical fallacies) in the face of indisputable fact.

they should talk to the Cuban's in Miami, it has been proposed many times to drop the Blockade, and each time protests and crap from the Miami Cuban's.

The gusanos aren't the only ones opposing the lifting of it.. or it would have been lifted along time ago. Indeed, the opposite has occured, the blockade has been tightened.

Yes they have limited market due the blockade, (all of the rest of the countries) in the world!. Want to go there ,fly from Canada, mexico, DR. etc. no problem.

When you return you risk being fined thousands of dollars by the treasury department. Also, like I said, the embargo limits their trade with other countries and companies as well, not just in the U.S.

U.S. government pressures hotel in Mexico to expel Cuban guests

In Miami your friend should have felt right at home, unless he was trying to tell a cuban in miami how great it was in cuba, the other folks that live there could care less. Remember Elian Gonzolas. Most everybody in the US including Cubans that did not live in Miami, believed after his mother died he should return to his father, but not guess who.

The gusanos in Miami are all (mostly white) capitalists and compradors (or their decendents), who were/are mad they can no longer exploit their countrymen for money and maintain a status of power.

There are also pro-revolution Cubans in the U.S.; including in Miami. I'm friends with many, and there are many in the Free People's Movement.

They want to return to a pro-U.S. dictatorship like that of the butcher Batista... and their politics in the U.S. reflect it: The Miami Dade school board just banned a book because it showed happy children in Cuba, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/16/e...aeeb6181b5e504&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Fascism anyone?

Does your DR1 name have anything to do with Patrice Lumumba who was the prime minister of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Yes. That's where it comes from.
 

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Thats the man. Now I hope LUMUMBA does not compare himself to the real deal.

Compare myself to him? No. What good would that do?

He is an anti-colonial and anti-imperialist hero of the oppressed. He was killed by the imperialists he fought against, and a group of Congolese, with Cuban assistance, and Che Guevara, took up his struggle.

"... US perception at the time was that Lumumba was a Communist. Eisenhower's apparent call for Lumumba's elimination must have been brought on by this perception. Both Belgium and the United States were clearly influenced in their unfavourable stance towards Lumumba by the cold war." - Source
 

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Once a spy, always a spy- Once a marine, always a marine

thanatos said:
Are you trying to do a psyops thing here. Anyway by making these accusations you already are exposing someone, so be careful the long arm of the US goverment will grab you by the balls and ship you to Abu Ghraib.:eek:gre:

Que sera, sera: Make sure neither one of you overreact, the laws are in place. Believe it or not, Dom. Rep. is a sovereign nation, under international laws. The last time we looked, spying was a crime under Dominican Republic's national security laws. Bring it on, puppet! Its my opinion
(The word above is Government, not "goverment"!)
 

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LUMUMBA,

Alright Mr. “BA in Economics from UMASS in Amherst”.

lulumba said:
What is "he doing now?" 11.9% growth last year was the highest growth Cuba's ever had. Cuba offers more international aid as a percentage of what they have than any country on earth. Cuba is an internationalist country.
I wonder how knowledgeable you really are about Cuba.

Let’s see what direction it’s going.
In 1981, Public sector employment = 91%
In 2000, Public sector employment = 77.5%
There is a HUGE black market. Capital investment is still prohibited.

Before 1990, Cuba was subsidized by the Soviets and had them as their export market. When they stopped “pidiendo cacao”, they opened up their markets a bit. They started allowing light manufacturing, encouraging tourism and self employment. They even legalized the dollar. Can you say: a change in policy? A tad more liberal?

Today they’re back to “pedir cacao” with Venezuela.

How do you explain the inefficiency as an economist?
What good is literacy if you cant read what you want?

You talk as if Venezuela and Bolivia are not close enough to Cuba was a bad thing. If you look at their policy, Cuba is becoming more like Venezuela than the other way round. Why would that be? Se volvio triador Castro.

I wont even argue about Caama~o.
 
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LUMUMBA said:
Even if Castro was a dictator...

But as far as Castro being a "dictator," it's pure nonsense.

I seem to be confused here, so please enlighten me.

When was the last time that they had open elections for the office of the presidency in Cuba? Who were the candidates? And how did they campaign?

Oh, and one last question. Let's say that I want to organize a march down Avenida Jose Marti in Havana with 1000 of my closest imperialist friends. It'll be peaceful. We'll limit ourselves to carrying posters stating that we don't like Castro. Since we don't want to break any laws, we'll apply for a permit at the government's office. Do we have any chance of getting that permit granted? Or will we be thrown in jail with the thousands of other dissidents that are currently being safeguarded in Cuban prisons?

I thank you in advanced for your response.
 

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Excuse me, OVER HERE, Mr. Lumumba! Over here, please!

Yes, thank you... can you at least confirm or deny that Mr. Greenspan has offered $1.6 million for your help on his next book?

How are you dealing with your new-found international celebrity status?

Word on the street is that dozens and dozens of bored web-surfers are now tuning in to your sophomoric diatribes... we all slow down passing a car accident, eh?

No offense, comrade!
 

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Lumumba;
I must apologize because I said I wouldn't post again but the devil made me do it. Hehehe
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“Civil rights have never been "granted" to Black people anywhere.”

This statement only shows that you have failed to read the US constitution or the civil rights act of 1964 among many more documents within many countries.

“Something like 85% of people in the U.S. don't have a passport”

I think it should be pointed out that most Americans can’t afford international travel (excluding Mexico, Canada and the Carribean which don’t need passports) and many can only afford one or two trips in their lifetime. So, even if they get one for that trip, it only lasts ten years so most Americans don’t need a passport more than a handful of times in their life. Also, when you can go to Hawaii for surfing, Colorado for skiing, San Diego for sailing, Montana for hunting, Minnesota for fishing, Maine for hiking, Washington D.C. for history, and New York for culture, why would you ever go anywhere else? North America has every climate known to man and a wide variety of culture, cuisine and lifestyles. A lifetime isn’t enough to see everything.

“Cubans have a better, and more international, education that most people on earth”

Depends on where you look. 1, 2, 3, 4

"But as far as Castro being a "dictator," it's pure nonsense"

Huuummmmmmmm 1, 2, 3,

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“What freedom? What freedoms do Dominicans have that Cubans don't? Freedom to sleep in the street if they're poor? Freedom to die if they can't afford medical treatment? Freedom to be illiterate? There are no homeless people in Cuba. No one starves to death in Cuba. There are no illiterate people in Cuba (outside of the mentally handicapped). Medical care is completely free in Cuba. Education, from the beginning to the university is completely free. Anyone who wants to work in Cuba can. Cuba is an independent nation, free from imperialist domination. The Cuban people determine their own path.”

“Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we’re free at last” 1, 2, 3, 4,

“the blockade has been tightened.”

Say what?

“Not to mention "Miracle Mission," which has provided free eye surgery to tens of thousands of poor Latinoamericanos from all over.. and I do me free, they fly for free on Venezuelan planes, get free food and free board in Cuba.. etc.”

“The project is currently active in 24 Latin American and Caribbean countries and has already provided care to 210 thousand people, all of whom have been treated in Cuba. Madariaga explained that the Cuban ophthalmologists who work in the associated countries indicate which patients should receive treatment. "The patients go to Cuba to be operated. Their travel is provided by the Cuban Aviation company, and they are always accompanied by medical teams,"”

From the above quotation it is interesting to note, “(Cuban ophthalmologists who work in the associated countries indicate which patients should receive treatment)”, which would give an indication that it isn’t open to all the poor and deserving.

Miracle Mission is a nice program but let’s not stop there let us also mention 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, also and there are many, many more.

Rick

Inside the board joke, “In your attempt to walk you will pull it out and step all over it”

“As a scientist Throckmorton knew that if he were ever to break wind in the echo chamber, he would never hear the end of it.”

And I promise , cross my heart I will not respond to any more of your posts.

Edited to add the forgotten word "not" to the last sentence. Hehehe

Edited to add;

Elchino you three eyed cyclops are you still here? You're still an idiot regardless of what you post.
 
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OK Folks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Time to realize that these guys like Lumbago have a canned response memorized for every counter argument you can present. Those responses have been designed by good psychologists who are just as mind controlled as their compatriots.

They ALL avoid the realities of their fallacious reasoning in their attemptto scam the "poor unwashed masses" in poverty stricken countries.
They would have you believe that they possess the "magic wand" of "counter imperialism" and can provide for an ENTIRE NATION by simply saying it is so.

What they insidiously avoid is the explanations of just how they intend to bring about this phenomenon of "El Dorado" and still avoid the bankruptcy that will surely follow.

They appeal to the ignorance of the uneducated. They avoid the obvious necessities of providing the monies it will take to create their "Magnificent Utopia" by indicating they will relieve the rich of their assets, the infrastructure of its ability to produce and the ability of any form of government to function because by then everyone will be queing up to receive the largess of the "New Order" which has and will inadvertently enslaved them.

They paint a beautiful picture that is done with watercolors, praying all the time that it doesn't rain and spoil their agenda before they can take control.

What they are really fostering is anarchy in its most virulent form.

They promise everything and in the longrun provide nothing because, in their enthusiasm, they have destroyed that which they wish to build. A NATION!!

Texas Bill


"Democracy will fail when the people realize they can vote themselves a free lunch".
 

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OK Folks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
...They promise everything and in the longrun provide nothing because, in their enthusiasm, they have destroyed that which they wish to build. A NATION!! QUOTE]

For an example, we don't have to go too far. Look at what happened to Haiti, once Tousaint Louverture liberated the enslaved masses from their colonialist masters. At the time, circa 1804, Haiti was one of the most productive colonies in the entire world, even more productive than the United States of America. So what happened? instead of adapting to the new reality (a successful hostile takeover bid with unleveraged buyout) and restructuring the corporation (plantation) with the slave workers becoming stockholders, the leaders encouraged the sacking and plundering of the economic infrastructure, including the vast plantation real estate holdings, which were broken up into 1-10 acre plots, not even enough for subsistence farming. A sure formula for a failed state, if you ask me!!!
 

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It must be realized that "Socialism", in and of itself, is not truly an evil economic philosophy.
BUT, when a nation embraces such a philosophy, it MUST have the abundance of "natural resources", the commercial infrastructure (to be left in place and efficiently managed), the form of government, appropriately modified to manage those resources, and an Administration with the integrity and honor to carry out the stated agenda.

In History there has not been a single nation that has been completely successful in implimenting such an order without imposing a taxation that is sustainable by the population and inclusive industrial complex.

The USSR tried this experiment commencing in 1917 and over the long haul, subjected its people to the horror of massive starvation, total disregard for the human suffering imposed upon her people, and reduced the country to an entirely different form of "slavery" in service to the ruling elite who had absolutely no regard for anyone but themselves.
"Power corrupts and Absolute power corrupts Absolutely"! is an apt description of that government.
That was a "Communist" society wherein the factors of production and their distributive shares were held by the Central Government, NOT by the People, as was their stated agenda.
"Populist" Nations, such as most Central and South American purport to be, for the most part do not have the natural resources to support the subsidizing of their population and as a result are continuously "robbing Peter to pay Paul" in their endeavor to maintain those subsidies; a condition, which in the long run, becomes an unmanagable adjunct to National Bankruptcy.
The social infrastructural deficiencies which result are the source of extended unrest in the population, which demands more and more for less and less because that is what Government has promised them. It, therefore, becomes a viscious cycle of blame being placed upon the"Haves" rather than on the root cause of the conundrum which is the lack of infrastructural capability to support the stated agenda.
It has always amazed me that there are learned people who fail to recognize the importance of the marriage between a stable, resourceful and vibrant economy and political philosophy where government administrations are concerned.
There can be no undermining of the essential ambition of the human animal to seek security by his own efforts without the necessity of governmental intervention in that goal. That undermining is what takes place under those systems formulated to "take care of the People from birth to death"; in other words, Socialism and its cousin Communism. These systems, while on the surface, seem to be the panacea for a healthy economy and society eventually dig their own grave in bankruptcy through unsustainable demands of the very society they purport to serve.
I will grant that there are those in every society that need some form of support because they have not the capacity nor the mentality to support themselves in a competative labor market. They cannot be left to starve because of their inherent inabilities. They can be employed in areas of endeavor which will make some contribution to society as a whole, however.
These elements of society are the exception, not the rule and for the whole of society to be placed in thrall to a central authority is untenable and un-humanitarian.

Texas Bill
 
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