American Couple Arrested in Cabarete

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Generally speaking, many laws here are similar to those in force where we come from. I think we can agree that it is not permitted to do a withdrawal from a bank where you have no account, taking advantage of underage individuals, driving faster than the posted speed limit or strolling down the beach with the absence of beach attire etc.

The enforcement of the laws in the DR, be that as it may, is an entirely separate discussion and not related at all to the rules of law being enforceable (selectively or otherwise).

I have read of old and obscure laws in other countries that one couldn't possibly be expected to know about. One such example would be the need to have someone walk in from of your horse drawn carriage carrying a lantern when driving down Main St. I'm safe from over zealous prosecution under this law because I do not own a horse or a carriage. I am sure that there are some pretty obscure laws still in effect in this country too. One might be able to find some if their Spanish comprehension is sufficient to parse "Spanish legalize" and they have lots of time on their hands.

Lots of countries have information available for the travelling public. Home govts in many cases point out travel requirements, peculiarities of local customs and general sage advice for surviving your vacation unscathed. Individual travelers need to seek out this advice on their own but it is readily available if they go looking. In some cases, warnings include advice not to travel somewhere at all. However, if you are determined to go, no one will stop you.

If swimming in the ocean, driving while impaired or fornicating at a public war memorial is illegal, then those who undertake these activities are subject to arrest and detention. Regardless of whether the law has ever been enforced in the past or even if it will never be enforced again in the future. A warning would sure be nice but is not required. Lament all you want about the fairness of selective enforcement or the obscurity of the law in question or even the logic behind a law, you are still subject to it.

It should be a fairly straight forward assumption that if a certain activity can be thought of as being outside the norm or inherently risky, there is a good chance that there is a law dealing with that activity. Many legal systems have catch-all laws that can be brought to bear in the absence of a specific law. Eg, public mischief, disturbing the peace, conduct unbecoming etc.

This whole discussion should be a nonissue because we all know that ultimately we are responsible for our actions and decisions. It is however, common practice to attempt to justify what we do because our upbringing has taught us that it is always someone else's fault. There was no sign saying "don't jump off this cliff" so we blame the property owner who should have installed a fence and posted signage indicating that gravity is in full effect at that location.

Darwin had the right idea, but even that law seems to be subject to selective enforcement much of the time...
 

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I saw the warnings on my cell phone but I didn't read anything about getting arrested if you went in the water. Yes it's stupid, but it's not an arrestable crime, but then again this is the DR. I saw on facebook how they handcuffed and beat the **** out of a young kid for drinking a beer in public after the storm had already passed.
 

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frank 12: "Tuesday: Worn Tire Day. No tires with less than 50% thread protruding through radials. Radials can show, but should have some rubber left on the edges. Just joking again. Most Dominicans--including the police drive vehicles with almost no tread left on the tire."

Boy isn't that the truth and applies to motorcycles too. One reason to be very careful on rainy days - those vehicles can't stop or hold the road on sharp turns.
Where else in the world, besides Nicaragua and Africa, can you pull into a tire shop and ask for 4 slightly bald mismatched tires with different height profiles, maybe bubbles in the sidewall and at least one with a slow leak be put on your over priced car (oh and don't bother balancing them, the struts are broken).

How many people on DR drive into a gasoline station with their family aboard every 20 miles to fill a tire (with no pressure gauge to check if they put 15 or 50 psi) but they never think about actually fixing the leak ? And every 20-year old car with 180,000 miles for sale in DR is unico dueno y recien importado and has 2 cans of Armorall sprayed in the engine bay and half of a can on each bald tire, and is mantenimiento al dia. (probably because it needed it daily).

Rules, Laws, swimming in a hurricane ? - "I don't got to show you no stinking badges."
 

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Can't say that I totally disagree with Frank... but the challenge appears that while the Laws are written and ill enforced ... the Justice component of Civil and Criminal Law Enforcement seems detached and in some cases absent all together.
Without swift and fair justice the Law cannot be enforced; and, lends to exploitation by Police who take it upon themselves to administer their own form of 'Justice' and make a buck on it while they are at it.
At least that is my take on the issue. And, by the was it is not much different in other Third World and Developing Countries.

Russell
 

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"Researching the Laws" of the Dominican republic.

Let's look at it a little bit closer at this...i think you maybe onto something here:

1.) Monday....Helmet day. Must carry helmet on person, but you only need to put it on for less than 5-seconds while you pass the police here. This is how most Dominicans do it here. Most police break the law everyday and refuse to wear a helmet.
2.) Tuesday... Red Lights & Stop Sign day. Must come to a relatively slow rolling stop before proceeding through a red light or stop sign. Most Dominicans, but not all, run red lights here after slowing down...sometimes stopping, before moving through the intersection. the police also break this law.
3.) Wednesday...Must possess at least a working flashlight on vehicle when driving at night. And if you are lucky enough to possess working lights, they must not be on High-Beam while you drive. Most Dominicans drive with their high-beams on, and quite a few people on motorcycles only drive with a flashlight in their hands. Many police drive with their High Beams on as well.
4.) Thursday...One way street day. One way streets must be obeyed until noon. No, just joking. Most people ignore One Way street signs, and they're arbitrarily enforced. Even the police ignore them.
5.) Friday...Driving on the correct side of the street when merging into traffic. Many people ignore this altogether and simply merge into on-coming traffic before crossing over to the other side of the street.
6.) Saturday—obligatory use of turn signals...if you are lucky enough to have them. Few police here use their turn signals.
7.) Sunday—anything goes because AMET is hardly around to enforce anything on Sundays.

All laws are in effect until 12-noon--and then there is a break in-between 12-noon & 2pm when the police and AMET are at lunch and you can do whatever you want.


After 6pm, anything goes again, because...guess what...Amet goes off duty for the evening everyday at 6pm. Chaos & mayhem can be restored.

8.) Monday: Windshield Day. You must have a front windshield with fewer than 5-cracks. No cracks longer than 3ft allowed. just joking, all big trucks here---especially dump trucks--either have no windshield, or it is broken throughout.
9.) Tuesday: Worn Tire Day. No tires with less than 50% thread protruding through radials. Radials can show, but should have some rubber left on the edges. Just joking again. Most Dominicans--including the police drive vehicles with almost no tread left on the tire.
10.) Wednesday: Circus Day. No more than 5-adults and one small baby allowed on motorcycle at one time. Another joke, everyone breaks this rule...entire families are routinely driven around on small scooters--including with infants on their shoulders, on top of their heads, and in their arms.
11.) Thursday: Baby Day. No more than three small children and one infant--less than 6-hours old--allowed on motorcycles.
12.) Friday...Drinking & Driving Day. Cannot drive with more than one Presidente Grande in your hand, or one small bottle of rum. Even the police break this rule and drink while on the job.
13.) Saturday: Parking Day. When parking your motorcycle or car in the middle of town—I.E—Cabarete, Sabaneta, Gaspar Hernandez, Cabrera, Sosua, etc.—must park relatively close to curb...let's say...within 3ft. so that your motorcycle or car is not sticking out into the middle of the road where it blocks traffic and makes a bottle neck where only one way of traffic can flow at a time.
14.) Sunday—anything goes because AMET is hardly around to enforce anything.

I got more, but let's stop here so that people can "Research the laws" of the Dominican Republic and try and understand when, and when not, certain laws will be enforced arbitrarily based on the position of the stars, the day of the month, pay-period, how many witnesses are standing around, what supposed crime has been broken, what country you are from, what friends or relatives you have working in the government here, etc. etc.

Trying to "research" and understand the laws of the DR before you come down here on vacation would require you to get a PHD, and even then, you still would not understand when certain laws are going to be arbitrarily enforced. I'm half-Dominican and have family here in the Government, and even I get confused.

Frank
LOL! Very funny! However, approaching the situation from an even more ignorant position only creates more problems for the ignorant person.

It's fine to use that irrational approach of "do what everyone else (meaning the natives) does"....until that irrational approach makes the person become the tourist example the local authorities decide to put on the news....making for a very entertaining tv episode of "Locked Up Abroad"

I like that tv show so go ahead and use that approach. They can never get enough material for new episodes as long as there are enough people who are 'smart' enough to stand for their own principles in a foreign country


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Can't say that I totally disagree with Frank... but the challenge appears that while the Laws are written and ill enforced ... the Justice component of Civil and Criminal Law Enforcement seems detached and in some cases absent all together.
Without swift and fair justice the Law cannot be enforced; and, lends to exploitation by Police who take it upon themselves to administer their own form of 'Justice' and make a buck on it while they are at it.
At least that is my take on the issue. And, by the was it is not much different in other Third World and Developing Countries.

Russell

When it's hot here, (nearly everyday) AMET officers park under shade trees the entire shift in their Isuzu D-Max, with the AC on, cooling their balls (or lady parts) - why sweat to enforce laws?
OK a show of hands on who else observes this laziness daily and agrees.

Is it any wonder the tourists never expected anyone to arrest them on a beach on an island ?
 

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Last year i got stopped at a police check point near Perla Marina--where the Casino sign/all-inclusive used to be (plata de Oro? or something like that...the cops like to hang out their in the shade). Anyway, i had my papers on me, but was lacking my insurance paper. The police said that they must take my motorcycle to the police station. Fair enough. I was in the wrong. I said, "Ok, I'll drive. you can jump on the back."

They did not possess a flat bed truck to load my bike on, and i was not going to hand my keys to a $15,000 dollar motorcycle that goes 270km and say, "here you go!"

Before we took off for the police station, i called a Motoconcho and told him to go to my house and get my insurance paper from Big Red. I then called Big Red and told her to give it to him so that he could bring it to me.

By the time i got to the police station, i had my insurance paper in my hand. I handed it to one of the cops and he said, "Oh, we're sorry, only the Sergeant can release your bike."

"Ok, call the Sergeant," i said.

"We have no minutes on our phone." Meanwhile, there was land-line phone right on the desk in front of us.

I started laughing.

I said, "Ok, i'll be back in 30-minutes."

I went to go get something to eat. When i got back, the Sergeant was there. I showed him my insurance paper. He said, "That's good. Come back later and get your bike."

"Why? I have all the papers right here."

"I cannot release your bike right now. I must speak to the Captain, only he can release it, and he's not here right now."

"Ok, call him, please," I said.

"He's busy, in a meeting, right now. I cannot call him."

At this point, i heard enough. I called my cousin. He never answers the f&&%king phone when i call him. I'm the black sheep of the family, and he knows that i'm calling for some kind of favor. He knows me. Shockingly, however, he answered the phone.

I said, "Michael, i'm here at the police station. They have my bike. I have all my papers. They're giving me the run around about releasing it. can you speak to them, please?"

"Sure, put them on."

Before I handed my phone to the Sergeant, I explained to him who my cousin is, his rank, and what he does for the Dominican Govt.

I heard a lot of "Yes, sir," "No sir," "Ok, sir," and then he handed me my phone back.

Michael says to me, "Frank, don't be an idiot, just hand the guy a couple hundred pesos and go on your way. They're just looking for money, idiot!"

"I know that Michael! I'm not handing any money over to anyone when i got everything in order. I got everything right here in front of him! I've done nothing wrong. I'm not bribing the cops when i got my sh1t together for once, man!"

"Ok, good luck," he tells me, sighing. He thinks i'm crazy for not endorsing a small Donation to the cops.

I hang up, and then turn to the Sergeant and say, "My cousin said to give me my bike right now or he is going to call the police chief in Santo Domingo and give him your name."

"No, no...no need for that," he tells me, before adding, "You can take your bike right now. And tell your cousin that it was a misunderstanding."

The Sergeant then gives me his personal phone number and asks me to please tell my cousin that "he gave my bike right back."

I said, "Yeah, yeah!" and then i jumped on my bike and wheeled out of the parking lot.

My whole point here is to demonstrate that, had i been a tourist, or had i been in a hurry, i would have no choice but to pay a bribe to release my bike in a "timely" fashion. And this is even when i had everything in order and had done wrong--other than forget to have my insurance paper on me.

Initially, I was at fault, and so i deserve the inconvenience of having to go to the police station. I take full responsibility for that. That was my fault. But how would it look to a tourist on vacation? They get stopped at road blocks and check points all the time. It's just a money grab. Period.

Should a tourist be arrested for not being aware of arbitrarily enforced rules...or situations where they maybe in the wrong, but are unaware of certain laws--some of which--only came into effect the day before the hurricane...as in "No Swimming."

Frank
 

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LOL! Very funny! However, approaching the situation from an even more ignorant position only creates more problems for the ignorant person.

It's fine to use that irrational approach of "do what everyone else (meaning the natives) does"....until that irrational approach makes the person become the tourist example the local authorities decide to put on the news....making for a very entertaining tv episode of "Locked Up Abroad"

I like that tv show so go ahead and use that approach. They can never get enough material for new episodes as long as there are enough people who are 'smart' enough to stand for their own principles in a foreign country


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Yes, good point! That's a great comparison.--"Locked up Abroad"--where they are mostly dealing with Drug Running/Drug dealing, to a couple swimming in the ocean where there are no signs indicating that it is "Illegal" to swim on this one day.

Frank
 

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For the swimmers that got arrested, they really did not. They were taken to the police station for a little while and then released.
 

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If they were Canadian a lot of you people would be saying the police were wrong.

OK I am true Canadian to the core. But if those two were Canadians ; I would not support their folly.
If you pee into the wind you will get wet!
We all know what happened the real question should be ''why did it happen'' ... why were they on the beach in their underwear?
Every pleasure has a pain!
Whether you are European, American or Canadian.
Allow the little bit of justice that is apparent ; even if unreal!
We have Canadians serving time in Dominican Jails for crimes committed. ''The choice was theirs to make, the law theirs to break'' W.C. Fields said "You pays your money, you takes your chances''.
Enough said in behalf of Canadians.
Russell
 

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Yes, good point! That's a great comparison.--"Locked up Abroad"--where they are mostly dealing with Drug Running/Drug dealing, to a couple swimming in the ocean where there are no signs indicating that it is "Illegal" to swim on this one day.

Frank

Frank,
Can you shed some light on something for us ... as you are ON THE SCENE , and imo , the opinion that has the most Value in this specific Topic..

Was this a World Class Surfer type guy ?
Or just some Expat , with his wife ? as a previous Comment indicated..
I believe DV8 also said he was in his underwear ?
Was he Drunk ? was he belligerent ?

I had assumed he was an IN SHAPE Surfer who just felt like taking a DIP in the ocean.


There is also the matter though of the MISSING surfer who supposedly drowned, but the body was never found ?

It COULD be that the Cestur/ Politur are playing " cover their Butts" so they look like they are doing something to " Protect" the community , instead of just looking for Bribes etc ..

I honestly have close to ZERO trust and respect in these Wanna be Cops with their hands in every ones Pockets on the North Coast especially..
.. but I do respect Authority in general, and they MAY have actually been acting in Good Faith.. this time
 

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OK I am true Canadian to the core. But if those two were Canadians ; I would not support their folly.
If you pee into the wind you will get wet!
We all know what happened the real question should be ''why did it happen'' ... why were they on the beach in their underwear?
Every pleasure has a pain!
Whether you are European, American or Canadian.
Allow the little bit of justice that is apparent ; even if unreal!
We have Canadians serving time in Dominican Jails for crimes committed. ''The choice was theirs to make, the law theirs to break'' W.C. Fields said "You pays your money, you takes your chances''.
Enough said in behalf of Canadians.
Russell
I can't find that quote by W. C. Fields. Not saying he didn't use it but as a fan of his I can't recall it.

However later in life he did tell an interviewer he was reading the Bible. When asked why he replied: "I'm looking for loopholes."

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For the swimmers that got arrested, they really did not. They were taken to the police station for a little while and then released.

Sounds like the Police were doing them a favor. Which means all this 'chit chat' was for naught.
However I did learn a lot ; so the time was well worth it.

Russell
 

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Frank,
Can you shed some light on something for us ... as you are ON THE SCENE , and imo , the opinion that has the most Value in this specific Topic..

Was this a World Class Surfer type guy ?
Or just some Expat , with his wife ? as a previous Comment indicated..
I believe DV8 also said he was in his underwear ?
Was he Drunk ? was he belligerent ?

I had assumed he was an IN SHAPE Surfer who just felt like taking a DIP in the ocean.


There is also the matter though of the MISSING surfer who supposedly drowned, but the body was never found ?

It COULD be that the Cestur/ Politur are playing " cover their Butts" so they look like they are doing something to " Protect" the community , instead of just looking for Bribes etc ..

I honestly have close to ZERO trust and respect in these Wanna be Cops with their hands in every ones Pockets on the North Coast especially..
.. but I do respect Authority in general, and they MAY have actually been acting in Good Faith.. this time

I don't know the answer because i don't know who the people are, nor what their background is. Initially, i thought they were tourists, and if so, how would they know it was illegal to go swimming when there was nothing posted anywhere...even i didn't know it was illegal to go swimming and i live here.

Someone said they should have known Spanish, and hence, understood updates on their phone.

Another person said they should have been watching Dominican news in Spanish--and understood it--even though i doubt they mentioned that it was illegal to go into the water.

Another person suggested that they should have "researched" Dominican laws before coming down here....as if there is anyway to research what the laws of a Hurricane protocol will be.

The absurdity level here with expats and people who do not live here is through the roof sometimes.

I guess one of the things that makes it so funny and absurd to live here is that rules and laws are enforced arbitrarily. Barring murder or getting caught with a car load of drugs, you can pay your way out of almost anything here. It's glorious sometimes. The absurd stories would fill up all of the mainframe computer space on this DR1 site.

I don't know about you, but i love it when complete absurdity comes together and intertwines with Dominican laws.

The fact that they were in their underwear initially made me think that they were tourists who simply did not know any better and got lost on the way to Happy Hour. The girl was big, but attractive. If anyone finds out her name, please let me know so that i can send her a FB Friend Request. The guy wasn't bad looking either! send me his info as well.

Personally, they get a big thumbs up from me for...

A.) Going swimming during a hurricane.
B.) Taking their clothes off in order to, presumably, have something dry to put back on.
C.) Skipping Happy Hour
D.) Not resisting arrest
E.) Looking fairly presentable to the cameras.
F.) Knowing when to throw caution to the wind and let your hair down....and possess clean underwear.

Frank
 
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F.) Knowing when to throw caution to the wind and let your hair down....and possess clean underwear.

Frank


Unless they were taking advantage of the surf to wash their underwear ? I used to do this when living in Costa Rica :bandit:
 

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I can't find that quote by W. C. Fields. Not saying he didn't use it but as a fan of his I can't recall it.

However later in life he did tell an interviewer he was reading the Bible. When asked why he replied: "I'm looking for loopholes."

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You are absolutely right W.C.Fields did not say that! Mark Twain did in 1884 in his book Huckleberry Finn at the end of chapter 28. Now we really know Russell is getting old! LOL I too like W.C.Fields got him confused with Mark Twain.
I was hoping new President of USA would read quotes from Will Rogers "If you find yourself in a hole. stop diggin''
Russell'
 

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The girl was big, but attractive. If anyone finds out her name, please let me know so that i can send her a FB Friend Request.

The only photo I have seen is blurry (any better photo please post) but it looked as though a Brazilian Wax was overdo for the curvy lass in the aforementioned photo.
 
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Canadians,eh? Bet they are from Quebec as most anglophones don't have the " je ne sais quoi " to go swimming in their underwear during a hurricane.