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Haiti has no chance of improvement
They also say that he's the second wealthiest person in Haiti after Gilbert Bigio.
The increasing inequality between the two countries needs to be dealt with. There are two ways to do that: 1. rise Haiti to DR’s level (they need 100 consecutive years of economic growth of at least 7% to reach the DR’s current level -even if Haiti was able to do that, the DR would need to stall during those 100 years so the gap with Haiti can be reduced or eliminated-, and I’m not even exaggerating) or 2. bring the DR down to Haiti’s level (as with everything in life, destroying takes less effort and happens quicker than building up).
There are people with other ideas, such as believing that if both countries were united it would improve the situation on both sides. Sounds nice, but its completely impractical. There are two realistic solutions to the inequality between the two countries with one proving to be nearly impossible for Haiti to acheive.
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I agree with you. Why would DR want to tie itself to a "one-legged dog"? (so to speak)
Like I said before, I think they're the only ones with the necessary money and resources. Whom do you think could do it? What's your solution?
Can you point me to any country as dysfunctional as Haiti that became "normal?"
Are we to assume that several African countries are 'recuperated'....
Despots, dictators.... not fixed yet , to my knowledge
might not be possible after havoc reigns....
who takes charge?
Other countries ?
Hasn't the USA proved that don't work?
think Middle East...or VietNam
Despots, dictators.... not fixed yet , to my knowledge
might not be possible after havoc reigns....
who takes charge?
Other countries ?
Hasn't the USA proved that don't work?
think Middle East...or VietNam
As I've been saying for years. Haiti's problems need to be solved
by Haitian people on Haitian soil. No amount of money anyone throws
at that country is going to make a difference..
Reminds me of what I tell the beggars in the streets back home when
they ask me for change... "change" I say, "change comes from within"
by Haitian people on Haitian soil. No amount of money anyone throws
at that country is going to make a difference..
Reminds me of what I tell the beggars in the streets back home when
they ask me for change... "change" I say, "change comes from within"
i have made a conscious decision not to discuss matters with a racial quotient with people who apparently do not get it. it just aggravates me, and my blood pressure is critical to good vibes.
if you do not see how grotesque the acoustics are when you suggest that the worlds first black independent republic can only be saved by the mercies and ministrations of white countries, why would i choose to talk with you?
Yup.
Let Hatians have Haiti and figure out how to fix their problems their way. We and other nations need to butt out. We caused enough problems already.
Please pause for a minute, focus on the portion in bold, and ask yourself how that sounds.
Like they have failed to do it themselves. I know what you are getting at, but the fact remains that they are a failed state. Everyone will observe that Haitians in the DR are hard working and reasonably honest, when comparing them to Dominicans. Many of those that have migrated are very sucessful in their new country. Haiti's biggest problem is they have had a very, very serious brain drain of their best and brightest and those people have no incentive to ever go back.
A pro-colonial argument for sure. Still, one can't help but share in Victor Schoelcher*'s bitterness when he pointed his finger at them (despite being one of their earliest, warmest, enthusiasts for their independence), and accusing them of giving the enemies of African freedom the most ready arguments against emancipation, seeing what 200 something years of freedom have availed them. I know, European (and ours) ill will hasn't helped. Notwithstanding this, we would be doing them a disservice by believing them to have had no agency of their own in their eventual fate.
* = Celebrated French abolitionist, who toured the Caribbean in his efforts to push emancipation throughout the West Indian colonial world at the time (1830's and 40's).
I read that that is true ... nrg2003
I saw a line of Haitians looking for medical care once.
The local vet offered help on Thursday afternoons... he was former volunteer in Africa etc.
You see the hopelessness and futility ...
They ranged from -
She;s dehydrated and hungry - give her an IV & an Ensure
to -
That's cancer - nothing I can do for him (literally, that short comment)
A resolution as we know it or want it may not be possible
I saw a line of Haitians looking for medical care once.
The local vet offered help on Thursday afternoons... he was former volunteer in Africa etc.
You see the hopelessness and futility ...
They ranged from -
She;s dehydrated and hungry - give her an IV & an Ensure
to -
That's cancer - nothing I can do for him (literally, that short comment)
A resolution as we know it or want it may not be possible
I think that any country could try to solve the issues; but to no avail.
When the Papa Doc and Baby Doc Dictators were in charge things were different.
Maybe a corrupt Benevolent Dictator would do well....
I compare Haiti to Calcutta India .... almost same situation as in PAP.
I am too old to give hope.
Russell
until such time as i am presented with evidence to the contrary, i am of the belief that Haiti has no solution. only minor incremental steps can be taken, such as a small, selective tourist industry, catering to a certain demographic, but not a wide scale one such as the DR has..small, concentrated improvements, but nothing on any grand scale, in the short run. there is just too much catching up to do.
Well this post is not so optimistic, it reminds Samuel Johnson's quote about those who founded and populated the USA at the beginning of the colonial era:
We wish well to Haiti and any third world countries who pass through tough moments, the sun will rise one day for all of them GOD willing. Greedy Western imperialism has unfortunately created Haiti...And has worked skillfully/scientifically during centuries to keep its head very low under the water. When you add to the equation all the corrupts leaders (supported by that same Western imperialism) who led Haiti, it will take unfortunately generations to find the right "tuning" to solve Haiti's issues.
We wish well to Haiti and any third world countries who pass through tough moments, the sun will rise one day for all of them GOD willing. Greedy Western imperialism has unfortunately created Haiti...And has worked skillfully/scientifically during centuries to keep its head very low under the water. When you add to the equation all the corrupts leaders (supported by that same Western imperialism) who led Haiti, it will take unfortunately generations to find the right "tuning" to solve Haiti's issues.
you and i can share common ground on why Haiti is the way it is. it is firmly placed in a very dire situation, which, at least for now, appears hopeless. the last thing it needs is more of the same medication, ie white countries intervening in its affairs. one of the scholars i admired most since i was a very young man is the late Walter Rodney, whom i met while he was at the University of the West Indies. he wrote a masterpiece called How Europe Underdeveloped Africa. anyone who wishes to embark on the journey of any serious discussion of the past, present, and future of Haiti has to read books of that stature to develop a basis of reasoning. this is not a subject for superficial musings between drinks on the malecon.