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How to educate and bring about a change in the Dominican youth for the furture
You get what you pay for
I stand by my original post.
Obviously a good public school system would be great, but let's not forget this is a third world nation with many limitations.
Good public education takes lots of money to fund. Yes many will say there is plenty of money for an education system if used correctly, that may be true as in socialist countries like Cuba you have excellent education but really what good has it done if the economy is in ruins? Doctors driving cabs, engineers sweeping floors?
Or maybe we can follow the example of Eastern Europe where education is/was pretty good but sees all of it's minds leaving the country for weathier countries because there are no jobs at home.
I firmly believe education will improve as our economy does.
I am not saying it is not important, on the contrary, but we need to realize that without the economy improving we are just going nowhere fast.
I stand by my original post.
Obviously a good public school system would be great, but let's not forget this is a third world nation with many limitations.
Good public education takes lots of money to fund. Yes many will say there is plenty of money for an education system if used correctly, that may be true as in socialist countries like Cuba you have excellent education but really what good has it done if the economy is in ruins? Doctors driving cabs, engineers sweeping floors?
Or maybe we can follow the example of Eastern Europe where education is/was pretty good but sees all of it's minds leaving the country for weathier countries because there are no jobs at home.
I firmly believe education will improve as our economy does.
I am not saying it is not important, on the contrary, but we need to realize that without the economy improving we are just going nowhere fast.
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Excuse me?
Tom aka XR I just finished my income tax forms. Who says you can't get wounded by a blank?
Ummmm. To whom were you responding, Forbeca? I agreed with you about not teaching English as a first language in the Dominican Republic. I just thought it should be taught. Once they figure out how to teach Spanish, that is.Forbeca said:
Tom aka XR I just finished my income tax forms. Who says you can't get wounded by a blank?
No Absolutely Not.
Narcosis, I agree with you in what you said about getting what you pay for. You're talking my language there. It's not about spending money though, it's about focus. Curriculum. There really needs to be a better, more well thought out, and enforced currciculum here in the public schools. At least in the ones it's been my misfortune of having anything to deal with. That's all.
I think I understand why, and if I do, I am sure things won't change anytime soon. It's a lack of respect for authority, or maybe just a lack of experience in dealing with authority that has caused the problem. By that I mean many families don't seem to discipline their children but instead leave it up to someone else. So when they grow up we see police officers who selectively enforce lawas when it suits them, politicians whose hands are in the till whenever it's convenient, etc. I think maybe what happens is that the teachers get hired, and in typical Dominican fashion they pretty much do or not do what they want in constructing lesson plans regardless of whatever the actual guidelines might be.
Teaching proper use of your own country's native language is not an option, it is a necessity. But it's not a difficult task, or one that requires a lot of money.
Tom aka XR How come irons have a setting for permanent press?
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The comments about doctors driving cabs in Cuba, however, are like comparing apples and mangoes. The government sets the number of doctors trained regardless of need, for one. Then sets the prices they will be paid. Most folks wouldn't work as a doctor when simply driving a cab will be two or three times as much. That's not a failure of the education system. It's a failure of the command-control economic system, and that, as they say is una otra cancion.
I was just pointing out that I think English is difficult for a Spanish speaker, so it would be difficult to implement when they can't even focus on proper Spanish. I do not think English should be taught here as a first language to be sure.Forbeca said:
Narcosis, I agree with you in what you said about getting what you pay for. You're talking my language there. It's not about spending money though, it's about focus. Curriculum. There really needs to be a better, more well thought out, and enforced currciculum here in the public schools. At least in the ones it's been my misfortune of having anything to deal with. That's all.
I think I understand why, and if I do, I am sure things won't change anytime soon. It's a lack of respect for authority, or maybe just a lack of experience in dealing with authority that has caused the problem. By that I mean many families don't seem to discipline their children but instead leave it up to someone else. So when they grow up we see police officers who selectively enforce lawas when it suits them, politicians whose hands are in the till whenever it's convenient, etc. I think maybe what happens is that the teachers get hired, and in typical Dominican fashion they pretty much do or not do what they want in constructing lesson plans regardless of whatever the actual guidelines might be.
Teaching proper use of your own country's native language is not an option, it is a necessity. But it's not a difficult task, or one that requires a lot of money.
Tom aka XR How come irons have a setting for permanent press?
P.S.
The comments about doctors driving cabs in Cuba, however, are like comparing apples and mangoes. The government sets the number of doctors trained regardless of need, for one. Then sets the prices they will be paid. Most folks wouldn't work as a doctor when simply driving a cab will be two or three times as much. That's not a failure of the education system. It's a failure of the command-control economic system, and that, as they say is una otra cancion.
daddy1 said:Chris! your entitled to your opinion, I won't stoop to your level! yes I am very bad at typing, and I do not have the time to go back and correct my errors but I'm sure you and narc... will do that for me. thanks
Like I said, I don't want to fight with you, and typing errors here on the forum are very common. There are many people that cannot spell. My question is how do you teach if you don't have reasonably good spelling skills?
In all fairness there is no spell checker on this thing and also when people are writing, people are posting with a lot to say, emotion, anger, anxiety, passion, you name it and they just want to type and click the post button without taking to time to check for grammer and spelling. Everyone does it and it shouldn't be a berometer of how educated someone is on DR1. As long as people get the point of what the poster is trying to say. Lot of people resort to bashing peoples spelling or grammer when they have ran out of things to say or feel they lost the debate. Thats not the case here though, but in other topics it was obviously the case during the debate.
Also don't mention your level of education, or educational achievements because thats when it really comes out and the scrutiny begins.
Also don't mention your level of education, or educational achievements because thats when it really comes out and the scrutiny begins.
I agree with you 100%,in high school I did have french and spanish as a class but it was basic, boy but now if I could do it all again, I would have loved to learn it fluently, and by the way I am a great speller but in the afternoons I sort of rush my comments before my lunch is over, again I apologize for that, me and five other guys in Santo Domingo are in the works to open the countries first ever Y.M.C.A.we have had meetings with the general manager and currently we are also looking for a warehouse to convert into a gym, slowly but surely, but we are trying to make a difference.. I appreciate your comments AH!XanaduRanch said:
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we are also conducting meetings with the owners of gold's gym in several cities including in D.R. for there support and sponsorships, as well anyway if we all put forth and effort at least some of our hopes for these children can be accomplished, with or without government help.
And So Do Your Comments.
Tom aka XR Someone stole all my credit cards, but I won't be reporting it. The thief spends less than my wife did.
This is uncalled for. As is your first premeditated attack. Try less saki next time, and then try and stick to the issue without personal attacks. His points are valid, his spelling is not. Maybe your drinking is? What does your post add to the discussion then? If you have nothing to say, better to say nothing.Narcosis said:
Tom aka XR Someone stole all my credit cards, but I won't be reporting it. The thief spends less than my wife did.
It's called a debate.
If you are to be taken seriously than you you must have credibility.
This expert posts his first post saying that private schools here are not up to his standards, on a post littered with terrible English, not only poor spelling!
Next he claims he was born and raised in the USA, is a college grad and is a middle school teacher! Give me a break..
He is corrected on some spelling errors and returns with various posts with the same exact errors!
He is totally wrong on his judgement of private schools here and it bothers me coming from someone that does not have the credibility to talk about the subject.
If you are to be taken seriously than you you must have credibility.
This expert posts his first post saying that private schools here are not up to his standards, on a post littered with terrible English, not only poor spelling!
Next he claims he was born and raised in the USA, is a college grad and is a middle school teacher! Give me a break..
He is corrected on some spelling errors and returns with various posts with the same exact errors!
He is totally wrong on his judgement of private schools here and it bothers me coming from someone that does not have the credibility to talk about the subject.
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Tom aka XR Tax bachelors. Why should they be happier than others?
Your comments are childish and add nothing to the discussion. Sober up and when you have something to contribute, please post. Until then, chill. This is an interesting, an potentially useful thread, Try not to ruin it in your drunken stupor.Narcosis said:
Tom aka XR Tax bachelors. Why should they be happier than others?
Yea come on Narcosis, lets stay on topic buddy.
I've jumped on Daddy1 as well but i'm focused on his perspective and point of view so I can challange him on it or agree with him. This spelling issue is distracting the debate.
I've jumped on Daddy1 as well but i'm focused on his perspective and point of view so I can challange him on it or agree with him. This spelling issue is distracting the debate.
what do you think!!
not only is his comments childish, but it seems like his ego and pride are hurt as well - I tried to make some valid points on this issue so that maybe we can see where we can agree or disagree, but some people just can't handle it. Anyway guys, I sat down last night and reviewed what sancho wrote in his last post about him being offended, I apologize for that, most of the points I make is just to see where things make sense in D.R.'s educational system, and exactly in the end who benefits from a D.R. public school system, I deal with many athlete's in the island, and I always think about there mind first! before there talent, I would love to see collegiate scouts travel to D.R. and sign kids to a full all expense payed tuition and receive a major university degree, yes directly from a D.R. public school, can anyone just imagine that!!,...that would be outstanding!! for all the youth to try to improve there grades because they know major universities are going to recruit them, that's who I think about that average baseball player or track star that graduates from high school, and has a place to go afterwards, not just used for a pan-am game, only to back to his poor neighborhood and let his mind and talent fade away... I mean what do think about that....again I want to apologize for any mis-spellings the computer has not corrected!
not only is his comments childish, but it seems like his ego and pride are hurt as well - I tried to make some valid points on this issue so that maybe we can see where we can agree or disagree, but some people just can't handle it. Anyway guys, I sat down last night and reviewed what sancho wrote in his last post about him being offended, I apologize for that, most of the points I make is just to see where things make sense in D.R.'s educational system, and exactly in the end who benefits from a D.R. public school system, I deal with many athlete's in the island, and I always think about there mind first! before there talent, I would love to see collegiate scouts travel to D.R. and sign kids to a full all expense payed tuition and receive a major university degree, yes directly from a D.R. public school, can anyone just imagine that!!,...that would be outstanding!! for all the youth to try to improve there grades because they know major universities are going to recruit them, that's who I think about that average baseball player or track star that graduates from high school, and has a place to go afterwards, not just used for a pan-am game, only to back to his poor neighborhood and let his mind and talent fade away... I mean what do think about that....again I want to apologize for any mis-spellings the computer has not corrected!
Some people like to come into these forums and claim they know what they are talking about, re-inventing the wheel if you may, this is not only directed to daddy1.
First of all the fact no YMCA "franchise" exist here does not mean the concept is not already here.
Why do some of you think that we need to import even brand names? Please this is silly!
In the Dominican Republic we have social clubs which do the exact same and more than the YMCA. There are clubs for all social levels and even ethnic backrounds (Casa de Espana, Club Sirio Libanes, club de San Carlos, Club Naco, Club Aroyo Hondo etc).
Many clubs are community clubs in the poor areas of the cities and towns, funded by local churches, companies and even by the community itself.
There are hundreds of these clubs all over the country.
These clubs have sports leagues that compete againts each other in all areas, have social events, hold conferences and a whole lot of other activities.
First of all the fact no YMCA "franchise" exist here does not mean the concept is not already here.
Why do some of you think that we need to import even brand names? Please this is silly!
In the Dominican Republic we have social clubs which do the exact same and more than the YMCA. There are clubs for all social levels and even ethnic backrounds (Casa de Espana, Club Sirio Libanes, club de San Carlos, Club Naco, Club Aroyo Hondo etc).
Many clubs are community clubs in the poor areas of the cities and towns, funded by local churches, companies and even by the community itself.
There are hundreds of these clubs all over the country.
These clubs have sports leagues that compete againts each other in all areas, have social events, hold conferences and a whole lot of other activities.
Narco DON'T GET UPSET BUT....
Yeah... that's fine and dandy but we have social clubs here in the U.S. as well, but they can't ever compare to a large facility equipt with aquatics, structured programs, well maintained athletic fields, computer rooms, and of course certified and qualified youth counselors, I've been in many social clubs in New Jersey, New York, and Miami, those clubs are there for adult's and it is there for profit, No Dominican club that I have seen, has not even come close to compete with a well organized and structured program Like the Boys and Girls club or Y.M.C.A. or city parks and recreation, these clubs are good, I had alot fun being a member of some of them, BUT!! they do not offer before nor after school programs for children, nor insurance for injuries as such.. I have visited some of the clubs you have mentioned exept for two of them, but in contrast, what I've seen as of yet just isn't what I call quality....Narcosis said:
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Narcosis said:
Thats awsome. I also agree with you on the brand name issue, if it exist in DR under local organizations, then they should be put in the forfront. I think the brand names were used to convey the type of program they run. If there is a program like the YMCA in DR under a Dominican name then run with it.
Again Daddy1, you make little or no sense at all.
Please decide if you live in Orlando, New Jersey or Santo Domingo.
Second. This is about the Dominican Republic not the USA.
Third. It is now very obvious to me you have never stepped on any of these clubs as all are very well organized have pools, basketball courts, tennis courts, soccer fields, cafeterias, playgrounds, auditoriums etc etc etc.
Please decide if you live in Orlando, New Jersey or Santo Domingo.
Second. This is about the Dominican Republic not the USA.
Third. It is now very obvious to me you have never stepped on any of these clubs as all are very well organized have pools, basketball courts, tennis courts, soccer fields, cafeterias, playgrounds, auditoriums etc etc etc.