Thought I’d seen it all

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The Professor

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Got the bleeding under control by bedtime, was bad because he takes daily aspirin. Only one of the head cuts was stubborn, but doesn’t need stitches. Because of where we live, I always have a fully stocked first aid kit, and took care of it myself. 

The guy caught hell from an assortment of neighbors, but he’s a bad seed from a bad family. Brother in jail for 20 years for murdering their cousin. Many hoped we’d get him arrested to get rid of him. We’re hearing about all his misdeeds  but we are getting ready to go home and won’t take this further. 

Owner died at least 6 years ago, and his son was here recently measuring the land, so for the life of me I can’t imagine what they think will happen to their little roped off plots. 

Yes, he sometimes forgets this isn’t the DR he grew up in. That was another era. His birthday is in 4 days, I’m glad he’s alive to celebrate this milestone, things could have gone much differently 

My birthday is in 4 days also. We are a stubborn lot, us Tauruses. Hope he's ok, and seriously, have that head wound looked at.
 

chico bill

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Dominicans are not scumbags, they're survivors and opportunists and live in a dog eat dog world living of a couple of pesos a day. Everywhere where there's poverty you have this kind of behavior, if you would have been born poor you'd have been the same. You would have to otherwise you wouldn't survive.
Why you're bitching, you should be happy because of their poverty etc you're finally able to get some popola. ;)

It wasn't true where I grew up dirt poor in Oklahoma - everyone was honest (then). It was it like this in Costa Rica either but there were some cases. No I think the DR is just one step above Africa in this regard, and probably the drugs awash on the island are the cause.
Maybe Duterte in the Philippines is a symbol of what happens when things get so far out of control
 

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Happens everywhere. My neighbour just across the street lost his wife last year. He has a nice house with water frontage. Less than a week after he buried her, strangers were knocking on his door asking him if he was selling his house. The OP’s original post more or less demonstrated the necessity of having a deslinde deed if you own DR property. Looked at a really nice two bed condo in Luperon harbour a few years ago. No deslinde so I walked away.

And a very good thing you walked away. There is a mafiosa there that specialises in claiming gringo property, deslinde or not.
 

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A sad reality, if a gun is present at a dispute among locals, it will appear at the first opportunity. If there are three or more locals present at the same place long enough, a dispute is inevitable. If there is an opportunity to perceive some sort of personal advantage in a set of circumstances, the mob mentality kicks in and people will abscond with everything including the stuff that is nailed down.

If you are not prepared to assert your right to life using extreme violence, stay out of crowds and well away from the mobs operating in a full "gimme frenzy".

Glad Mr AE is ok. You're right, it could have and probably should have turned out quite different if history is any indication.

Go back to the true home in the north and reflect. Paradise will never be quite the same. Dogs, a personal altercation, a vehicle accident and all the other tribulations you've mentioned over the years, how long is the luck going to last?
 

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...............Go back to the true home in the north and reflect. Paradise will never be quite the same. Dogs, a personal altercation, a vehicle accident and all the other tribulations you've mentioned over the years, how long is the luck going to last?

You have to admit AE you have had more than your share of misfortune in la rep dom.
 

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I would say it is time to See no evil,hear no evil, speak no evil. 
Stay safe.



Yup!  ...those are good rules to live by in DR ....in fact, everywhere...in DR we go about minding our own business everyday and we never stop to be curious or to interfere with any of the craziness or madness that goes on  . We know what curiosity did to the cat . 

We have learnt from our experience of living in the DR,  that no matter how big or small the craziness.....things  tend to solve themselves out sooner or later .....and life will go on ....DR does not need our help or interference in any of it’s issues ....but ..if the craziness still chooses to come at us for no reason ...then , as they say  , we wish the mother f***s would !
 

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It wasn't true where I grew up dirt poor in Oklahoma - everyone was honest (then). It was it like this in Costa Rica either but there were some cases. No I think the DR is just one step above Africa in this regard, and probably the drugs awash on the island are the cause.
Maybe Duterte in the Philippines is a symbol of what happens when things get so far out of control
Well that's funny. Land invasions was actually 'introduced' in Latin America by the marxists. They often were the ones that went to the countryside to encourage landless peasants to invade and take over the property of 'the rich.' The land belongs to those that work it, so they said.

How do you think the slums present in just about all major Latin American cities (and not so major ones too) got their start? Hint: The land those slums were built on usually belonged to someone that lost it due to mass invasions.

The old effervescence when marxism was a real threat in the world and especially in Latin America has wained down through the decades, but the old habit of mass invasions of private property is something that still takes places in all Latin American countries. Maybe its more in some and less in others, but none are exempt from this.
 
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This is what happens when the owners of land that was invaded are able to get the law to uphold their property rights, the thieves are expelled from a land that doesn't belong to them. It always gets violent because the invaders always claim they are too poor to start all over and refuse to leave, some claim they are the legitimate owners of the land (again, the belief that those that work it, own it; also that if enough time passes, they get a right to claim the land as theirs.)

This particular one took place in DR, but this happens every year all over Latin America.

[video=youtube;Rmp8Do918bU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmp8Do918bU[/video]
 

NALs

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Chico Bill,

Look a desalojo taking place in Costa Rica, where you claim land invasions don't take place.

[video=youtube;DmzLyFb9Pk0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmzLyFb9Pk0[/video]
 

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No I said there are instance of such action in CR, but it is a far more respectful place than the DR. But there the police took action - In Dr the police only act if paid off
 

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It wasn't true where I grew up dirt poor in Oklahoma - everyone was honest (then). It was it like this in Costa Rica either but there were some cases. No I think the DR is just one step above Africa in this regard, and probably the drugs awash on the island are the cause.
Maybe Duterte in the Philippines is a symbol of what happens when things get so far out of control

You mean the same Oklahoma where on April 22, 1889 50,000 white settlers rushed in at the stroke of noon to claim land that the U.S. government had previously set aside for Native Americans?
 

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Not sure about the rest of the World; but, in Nova Scotia I know of several cases where a neighbor used a small portion of his neighbors land ; one as a path to shortcut the walk and another was given permission to plant a garden.
In both cases the non-owners used the property for over seven years.
When the owner(s) tried to sell the land he was hit with court injunction (s) to stop the sale (s).
The Court granted the land to the non-owner.
Russell
 

chico bill

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You mean the same Oklahoma where on April 22, 1889 50,000 white settlers rushed in at the stroke of noon to claim land that the U.S. government had previously set aside for Native Americans?

Well it was legal - at least a law was passed. On March 2, 1889 Congress passed an amendment to the Indian Appropriations Act of 1871, which provided for the creation of homestead in the unassigned lands, to be known as Oklahoma Territory. President Grover Cleveland announced that the Oklahoma would be opened to settlements on April 22 via land run. The "Five Civilized tribes" were the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole were resettled (many) to Oklahoma from Southern territories (about 100,000) and their land was reserved in the land rush of 1889. This was established by the Dawes Commission in 1893. The Dawes Rolls of Native American heritage is still used today to prove right and heritage. Elisabeth Warren is not on the Dawes Rolls by the way.

But what country - including all the Caribbean, DR, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Canada, the US and all of South America didn't have native Americans living there before Columbus came ? Some were settled by Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, English or French - some with slaves, some with Hispanics or Northern Europeans.
So if you are looking for the time before property registries and surveys existed then I guess every property in the world is occupied by squatters.
 

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Not sure about the rest of the World; but, in Nova Scotia I know of several cases where a neighbor used a small portion of his neighbors land ; one as a path to shortcut the walk and another was given permission to plant a garden.
In both cases the non-owners used the property for over seven years.
When the owner(s) tried to sell the land he was hit with court injunction (s) to stop the sale (s).
The Court granted the land to the non-owner.
Russell



7 years is a magic number in some real estate jurisdictions....

If you have a right of way over a piece of land and it is unused for 7 yrs... that right is extinguished....
I have had such a right of way in Ontario.
 

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Well it was legal - at least a law was passed. On March 2, 1889 Congress passed an amendment to the Indian Appropriations Act of 1871, which provided for the creation of homestead in the unassigned lands, to be known as Oklahoma Territory. President Grover Cleveland announced that the Oklahoma would be opened to settlements on April 22 via land run. The "Five Civilized tribes" were the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole were resettled (many) to Oklahoma from Southern territories (about 100,000) and their land was reserved in the land rush of 1889. This was established by the Dawes Commission in 1893. The Dawes Rolls of Native American heritage is still used today to prove right and heritage. Elisabeth Warren is not on the Dawes Rolls by the way.

But what country - including all the Caribbean, DR, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Canada, the US and all of South America didn't have native Americans living there before Columbus came ? Some were settled by Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, English or French - some with slaves, some with Hispanics or Northern Europeans.
So if you are looking for the time before property registries and surveys existed then I guess every property in the world is occupied by squatters.

I would only say don't confuse "legal" with "right", as they are far from the same thing. It's self delusional to run people off their land by establishing your own laws to make it legal to do so, then believe that you are oh so decent and refined; and I don't mean you, as in you, personally.

In this context, the Native Americans are the civilized land owners and the white settlers are the savage Dominicans with the wooden stakes and wire. Furthermore, if you think that all those settlers followed the established rules, waited until the allotted time, then proceeded into the territory in an orderly fashion to stake their claim, think again; it was pandemonium! There was theft, violence and disputes that clogged up the courts for years afterwards.

People are people, and will all act the same way when presented with the opportunity to get something when they have nothing.
 

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I would only say don't confuse "legal" with "right", as they are far from the same thing. It's self delusional to run people off their land by establishing your own laws to make it legal to do so, then believe that you are oh so decent and refined; and I don't mean you, as in you, personally.

In this context, the Native Americans are the civilized land owners and the white settlers are the savage Dominicans with the wooden stakes and wire. Furthermore, if you think that all those settlers followed the established rules, waited until the allotted time, then proceeded into the territory in an orderly fashion to stake their claim, think again; it was pandemonium! There was theft, violence and disputes that clogged up the courts for years afterwards.

People are people, and will all act the same way when presented with the opportunity to get something when they have nothing.

The Plains Indian tribes, many of them, followed the caribou, buffalo, deer and fish as well as the rain and to escape harsh winters.

They moved several times a year. So prior to the turn of the twentieth century Indians were nomadic - hardly establishing ownership of one parcel and calling it "their land". With that logic one man could own the whole territory if he was the 1st person. The lands established for the tribes in Oklahoma were excluded from claims by new settlers, so they were not displaced. There were over 100,000 Indians that went there from the South plus at least half that many there at the time. Only 50,000 new settlers participated in the land rush and in an area the size of Oklahoma there would be plenty of space for everyone.

There are many historical monuments, battlefields preserved, museums, cultural centers with annual tribal celebrations and most of the names of cities and parks in Oklahoma, including Okmulgee, (or Muscogee) where I spent part of my youth. In addition there are 500 Indian (tax free) casinos and millions in oil royalties paid to tribes through out the state.

There are 38 recognized and protected Indian tribes in Oklahoma of about 250,000 people.
Maybe you need to look to other states to critique like Louisiana or Florida, but Oklahoma is one of the territories that has done the best with Indians.

Calling yourself 'The Professor' does not make you an expert on Oklahoma and their Native American history -perhaps it is you who is 'delusional'
 
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