First you state that reduction of prostitution is a good thing, then you say there is unemployment, of course if you take the ladies' living away from them there will be more unemployment!
Maybe you are incapable of thinking that far.
Der Fish
We've heard this idea before, but how about some assisted living facilities. Let old guys move in for the cost of the social security check and it would be an AI. Leave him $50.00 a month out of his check for una chica a month and a pizza meal out or something.
While this is all very moral and just. There are a few things here that don't add up:
1. Almost all prostitution in the DR is Dominican to Dominican/Haitian (every spy fleck village has a few beer bars) - it is a cultural thing that is legal in this country. The non-locals just use the facilities provided, they are not the source of it. There are almost no non-locals going around in the barrios impregnating 12 year old's, compared to the local tigers. Get this in your head.
2. The NC has almost entirely closed down as an AI destination, while at the same time Sosua and Cabarete saw an increase in sex-trade. Almost every AI that I know has closed/scaled down with the exception of the Sosua central one. But every other one has scaled/closed down.
3. The drug culture, use and crime has eroded any safety on the NC, for locals and non-locals alike. The safety that used to exist is gone from the streets. The police are more corrupt then ever and are either on the take or criminals themselves. Chicago in the 30's.
4. There are no alternative jobs (sugar mill, mining, farming, light industry are not able to provide jobs/money).. so people turn to crime; drugs, robberies and prostitution. By closing down a legitimate (although not appealing) source of money, more people will become desperate.
5. All these bad choices by the DR govt might be OK for those with the means to visit the next island or those who sleep in fortified villa's in SDQ, but it is not OK for my local family, who day-by-day see an increase in crime and insecurity.
Conclusion
All you do-gooders should either shut up or come up with real economic alternatives to feed an ever growing population on the NC
A very good point. I'm sure there are local people who think things have gotten out of hand. Folks posting 40 minute vids on youtube from a hidden camera, wanna b ballers posting orgy videos in luxury villas on youtube, your CubaDaves, Mulanos, etc. When a person does a search on Sosua now its a lot different than even 6 years ago. Sosua has become a major international hub for prostitution by virtue of the internet alone, not to mention a lot of other stuff that probably rubs a lot of Dominicans the wrong way.14 years ago there was no YouTube or FaceBook "promoting" it on the internet.
A very good point. I'm sure there are local people who think things have gotten out of hand. Folks posting 40 minute vids on youtube from a hidden camera, wanna b ballers posting orgy videos in luxury villas on youtube, your CubaDaves, Mulanos, etc. When a person does a search on Sosua now its a lot different than even 6 years ago. Sosua has become a major international hub for prostitution by virtue of the internet alone, not to mention a lot of other stuff that probably rubs a lot of Dominicans the wrong way.
I found out about Sosua, 14 years ago, through the internet on a Yahoo group or two. The info was on the net then, it is now. I am sure it has increased in its variety.
ISOC existed 10 years ago. I remember a bunch of "orgy" videos circulating from Casa Linda. There were huge bikini contests in Blackbeard's and in New Garden years ago with many videos.
Could it be the type of monger that is the "problem"? Interesting....
No kidding! The foreign "mongers" are a very small percentage of the pay-for-play that takes place in the DR. As far as I know, prostitution is legal in the country and it's extremely culturally ingrained (just go to any "carwash" or hang out in the campo for a while).
While this is all very moral and just. There are a few things here that don't add up:
1. Almost all prostitution in the DR is Dominican to Dominican/Haitian (every spy fleck village has a few beer bars) - it is a cultural thing that is legal in this country. The non-locals just use the facilities provided, they are not the source of it. There are almost no non-locals going around in the barrios impregnating 12 year old's, compared to the local tigers. Get this in your head.
2. The NC has almost entirely closed down as an AI destination, while at the same time Sosua and Cabarete saw an increase in sex-trade. Almost every AI that I know has closed/scaled down with the exception of the Sosua central one. But every other one has scaled/closed down.
3. The drug culture, use and crime has eroded any safety on the NC, for locals and non-locals alike. The safety that used to exist is gone from the streets. The police are more corrupt then ever and are either on the take or criminals themselves. Chicago in the 30's.
4. There are no alternative jobs (sugar mill, mining, farming, light industry are not able to provide jobs/money).. so people turn to crime; drugs, robberies and prostitution. By closing down a legitimate (although not appealing) source of money, more people will become desperate.
5. All these bad choices by the DR govt might be OK for those with the means to visit the next island or those who sleep in fortified villa's in SDQ, but it is not OK for my local family, who day-by-day see an increase in crime and insecurity.
Conclusion
All you do-gooders should either shut up or come up with real economic alternatives to feed an ever growing population on the NC
The target here is the appearance of prostitution and what donP found and posted in the Armando Casciati thread:
Google translation:
"The Attorney General Francisco Dominguez Brito, instructed not to allow any foreign person established in the Dominican Republic to promote it as a sex tourist destination, ordering at the same time it requested the deportation of those who engage in this type of practice. "
"El procurador general, Francisco Dom?nguez Brito, ha instruido que no se permita que ninguna persona extranjera se establezca en la Rep?blica Dominicana para promoverla como un destino tur?stico sexual, ordenando a la vez, que sea solicitada la deportaci?n de todos aquellos que incurran en ese tipo de pr?ctica."
From:
http://acento.com.do/2014/actualidad...-puerto-plata/
DO YOU SEE A MESSAGE HERE AND WHERE IT IS COMING FROM?
Notice that the campo car wash is not the target of the government.
It's their country so they can do as they want. Why is it hypocritical?It's utterly hypocritical
It's their country so they can do as they want. Why is it hypocritical?
A lot of the more recent Sosua mongers have probably become a little too comfortable in another country. Mongers have had it good for a long time, but with the mass advertisement sometimes comes unintended consequences.
In a place like Japan, the Japanese won't let non Japanese in certain establishments. People have to recognize the bigger picture.
It's hypocritical because pay-for-play is ingrained in the Dominican culture/society.
What is ingrained in the Dominican culture is their thing. I'm not here to judge that. It's not Dominicans blowing up Youtube about prostitution; it's gringos. I don't see the relationship between gringo whore mongers and Dominican culture, but I can see why some people want to try to make that connection. IMO, it's the basic difference between something that is esoteric versus exoteric.
It takes a certain type of arrogance to say "They should concentrate on learning 'my' language."
When they get to the USA and/or England is when they should learn English. If you are in their country it is on you to learn their language.
Der Fish