I don't see how you can compare China's multi-thousand year history with Haiti. And China was NEVER the s#!thole that Haiti is. Never.
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Haiti has no chance of improvement
Yet for much of the 20th century (and of course for most of its people for most of that history) conditions were worse than modern Haiti. Conditions were at least as bad in much of Europe 200 years ago. Conditions in Haiti are now much worse than the RD but were very similar through the 1960s. In 1960 the typical person in China was worse off than the typical person in Haiti.
like I said fault of Haitians- Duvalier was Hatian. Aristide was a priest, how did he get to be the second rich man in Haiti?
Please link me to the conditions in China you refer to.
China is massive. Haiti is tiny. There is NO WAY *ALL* of China was as bad as the conditions in tiny Haiti. There was never a "typical" Chinese person based on a massive population and geographic diversity that does not exist in Haiti.
Surely you can do better than compare a country with hundreds of millions of people (or, today, billions) in China to the 11 million in Haiti. I won't even get into the massive differences in natural and human resources.
A journey of a 1000 steps begins with the first step (or something like that)
Sure plant lots of trees. Diversity of species will become more important later on. Just do something that is of benefit to the whole. Then do another such thing...
Sure plant lots of trees. Diversity of species will become more important later on. Just do something that is of benefit to the whole. Then do another such thing...
We can prioritize all we want. It seems to make sense to provide clean water, some type of waste removal and treatment and the ability to boil water and cook a chicken. I think at this point we can't be too fussy. I'm looking for any sign that the govt is prepared to do anything (other than ban DR products) to aid their people in the short term as well as the longer term.
There is no plan and no genuine will to create one. This appears perfectly fine with most Haitians as they can just cross the border rather than marching on the President's residence demanding his head for their pot.
There is no plan and no genuine will to create one. This appears perfectly fine with most Haitians as they can just cross the border rather than marching on the President's residence demanding his head for their pot.
That’s how the DR halted the countryside people from cutting all the trees back in the days...
It works!
AS a "do good idea" and a NGO project Moringa Development will absolutely fail.... that includes Government involvement.
It will not even work initially as a Co-oP project.
This needs to be led by Industry Investors ... people who are capitalists who believe in Socio-Economic growth.And have International Marketing expertise.
For example in the right hands 1000 Moringa Trees can produce as much as $1,000,000.oo dollars per year. That is no BS.
It likes poor soil and needs little or no water once established,
Moringa is also an excellent Organic Food source for Animals eliminating the need for growth hormones or anti inflammatory medicines.
Thats enough ..... But the concept has been proven time and time again.
There is a Socio-Capitalist company in Canada who is doing just that in Africa.
The villages are doing well and the company is making money... jobs created and people living better. Google Moringa and become educated on one of the opportunities to make a change not only in Haiti but everywhere.
That's enough of me...have a good night.
Russell
Take the time to google the link on post #62... then ask yourself why with all the ''Billions'' of dollars spent on ''Humanitarian Aid'' did they not do more than use Moringa trees in Haiti for Windbreaks and soil erosion and not health products and supplements.
Good night folks enjoy !
Russell
Good night folks enjoy !
Russell
.....good idea...now get the them to start planting, I have always said the trees are the beginning......Doc.......
Not as long as poor Haitians need fuel. No tree is safe until alternative cooking fuels are widely utilized.
Because they make "terrible charcoal" does not mean they won't be used as fuel.
This is the exact theatre or arena people and/or organizations should be dedicating their resources to.....
alternative cooking fuels for the Haitian people. Highly agreed.
Don't look at traditional NGO's to do this.
Schwartz's book was a real eye-opener: NGO's SELL the food given them for free by gubmints in order to get $$$ to fund their central bureaucracy and have a big % siphoned off by local corruption.
5 million simple propane burners and subsidized fuel could almost solve Haiti's deforestation crisis in 10 years, along with much environmental damage. Buy, hey, that doesn't tug at the heartstrings of the TV public suckered into donations to NGO's who PROFIT from not solving problems.
Comparing Haiti to China is something I would never consider a valid comparison. The dynamics and magnitudes of the two are so vastly different.
Even in this thread there is no solution suggested that could work to revive Haiti. That is how far gone the situation there is from first hand discussions I just had with people that tried to help there for almost 6 years.
Besides.. the people who control the money flow in Haiti are more
concerned about building new soccer stadiums then helping the citizens
who live in poverty.
A good friend of mine was deported back to Haiti from the USA
about 8 years ago.. He makes frequent trips back there while living
here in the DR and tells me life over there is like living in a bucket full of crabs.
concerned about building new soccer stadiums then helping the citizens
who live in poverty.
A good friend of mine was deported back to Haiti from the USA
about 8 years ago.. He makes frequent trips back there while living
here in the DR and tells me life over there is like living in a bucket full of crabs.
The main problem in Haiti are Haitians, they dont want change, they ony want receive everything but they dont do nothing, every body that was trying to help now is tired because they dont see any improvements, and a lot of them thnik in Dominican solutions to all the haitians problems. I have to thank that now they find out also a Chilean solution and are exporting there haitian same way they have been doing to Dominican Republic, actually are arriving an average of 200 haitians every day to Chile, wich is very good because very soon Chile will be in the foot of the Dominican Republic.