Half of the businesses that closed won’t reopen

MikeFisher

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That was citizenship right? I meant legal residency. Especially it could help in the tourist areas as its often expats who start small businesses. I think there could be an idea there.
sorry, but i dare to differ.
expats are a small minority for small business owners here in my area on the East at least.
and specially they are a very small minority on small businesses who are Lasting for more than just the first couple years.
 

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sorry, but i dare to differ.
expats are a small minority for small business owners here in my area on the East at least.
and specially they are a very small minority on small businesses who are Lasting for more than just the first couple years.
Ok bad idea then.
 

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Mike, to be honest, you're not exactly citing sources here. Truth is we have no idea other than extrapolación, how many infecteds arrived or are walking around. I imagine a lot if you look at the recent Nagua testing results. Fact, the DR is in bed with China for years. Fact Chinese are immigrating here in droves. Fact, Gina has given the DR a lot of $$$$$$$$.

@MikeFisher
absolutely right,
CHINA is doing long running trustworthy business with the DR,
and I personally hope this will continue for the long term future.
the only one not happy about such in these geopgraphics here is Trump, but thatshuld stay His personal problem and not hinder others to do what they see as the right thing to do.
i am not trying to steer a topic on any political parkett, but when talking the intl relations of the DR, it is impossible to not mention the involvement of the world's 2 big superpowers, which both have a huuuuge influence on the DR on All Sides.
 
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absolutely right,
CHINA is doing long running trustworthy business with the DR,
and I personally hope this will continue for the long term future.
the only one not happy about such in these geopgraphics here is Trump, but thatshuld stay His personal problem and not hinder others to do what they see as the right thing to do.
i am not trying to steer a topic on any political parkett, but when talking the intl relations of the DR, it is impossible to not mention the involvement of the world's 2 big superpowers, which both have a huuuuge influence on the DR on All Sides.
The US is the US. Ok. Aside, the DR has seen the future and it's not the US. IMO, they see the Chinese and Ruskies as more viable assets on the table. Both government, coincidentally are pumping lots of cash into the DR. We all know what that means. It's not because they are in love with us. That's what the gringo thinks about his mamita. She loves me. Mientras tanto mamita Is with her chulo planning gringo's demise!
 
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The US is the US. Ok. Aside, the DR has seen the future and it's not the US. IMO, they see the Chinese and Ruskies as more viable assets on the table. Both government, coincidentally are pumping lots of cash into the DR. We all know what that means. It's not because they are in love with us. That's what the gringo thinks about his mamita. She loves me. Mientras tanto mamita Is with her chulo planning gringo's demise!
bien.
anything done with the US, which of course is here in DR our Big Partner, is not about any big love of a US Presi for a caribbean Island, it is like with the Chinese and the Russians all about the own advantages of what ever fields for what ever things.
so a little powerles piece of Paradise, like DR, has to take the positives offered from all sides.
the beef I personally have with the US side is, that the actual President of the country is a nacists of finest and changes things from one moment to an other, jus because he may have had stepped out of bed with the wrong foot.
but thats just how some of his actions come over to me myself, my personal thing when i watch all that stuff.
his administration may approve a few thousand student visas for the new upcoming schol time frame,
but as the morning wake up of one person may have been a anti foreigners one for one person one morning, then the Presi of that country may just revoke all such student visa permits until furtehr notice.
thats what i personally name unreliable as a business partner, not somebody i would want to do business with.
sure the DR has to do business with "him", there is zero doubt about our dependency of Trump's good will.
but to me it is the smart thing to do that the DR does also run their businesses with the other superpowers,
to finally not depend with absolute everything on just one persons good will.
 

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The US is the US. Ok. Aside, the DR has seen the future and it's not the US. IMO, they see the Chinese and Ruskies as more viable assets on the table. Both government, coincidentally are pumping lots of cash into the DR. We all know what that means. It's not because they are in love with us. That's what the gringo thinks about his mamita. She loves me. Mientras tanto mamita Is with her chulo planning gringo's demise!
I have to admit I am not strong in the big picture for the DR with US, China and Russia. Who is best for the DR regarding getting the economy going. With tourism I would say the US.
 
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bien.
anything done with the US, which of course is here in DR our Big Partner, is not about any big love of a US Presi for a caribbean Island, it is like with the Chinese and the Russians all about the own advantages of what ever fields for what ever things.
so a little powerles piece of Paradise, like DR, has to take the positives offered from all sides.
the beef I personally have with the US side is, that the actual President of the country is a nacists of finest and changes things from one moment to an other, jus because he may have had stepped out of bed with the wrong foot.
but thats just how some of his actions come over to me myself, my personal thing when i watch all that stuff.
his administration may approve a few thousand student visas for the new upcoming schol time frame,
but as the morning wake up of one person may have been a anti foreigners one for one person one morning, then the Presi of that country may just revoke all such student visa permits until furtehr notice.
thats what i personally name unreliable as a business partner, not somebody i would want to do business with.
sure the DR has to do business with "him", there is zero doubt about our dependency of Trump's good will.
but to me it is the smart thing to do that the DR does also run their businesses with the other superpowers,
to finally not depend with absolute everything on just one persons good will.
Mike, Mike, Mike. It's not about DJT. You and I agree on many things based on the boards, but I'm talking about the DR in bed with the Virus authors, which may, incidentally, be hooked up with the Ruskies. And these both have been pumping money into DR and bleeding population into it for over 20 years now. It is the end of Papi Sam
 
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I have to admit I am not strong in the big picture for the DR with US, China and Russia. Who is best for the DR regarding getting the economy going. With tourism I would say the US.
John, sorry, but you have been as long as I have. How are you not tuned in to China or the USSR's involvement with DR
 

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John, sorry, but you have been as long as I have. How are you not tuned in to China or the USSR's involvement with DR
China yes. They are everywhere as they are rivaling the US as the worlds superpower. I don’t see it with “USSR” ?
 

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Mike, Mike, Mike. It's not about DJT. You and I agree on many things based on the boards, but I'm talking about the DR in bed with the Virus authors, which may, incidentally, be hooked up with the Ruskies. And these both have been pumping money into DR and bleeding population into it for over 20 years now. It is the end of Papi Sam
and what is bad for the DR with the money pumped in to here since 2 decades by Chinese and Russians?
none of both did ever any harm to DR.
the only one bothered is the US, which see's everybody else than themself as a non welcomed partner.
and how Trumpsticks a knife into a "partner's " back, just because he can".
just read here:

we simply should have kept our borders closed for travelers from the US and only open for EU, Russia, Canada and China.
that would have been a trustworthy and functioning restart of our intl air travel to DR.
but No, we went with Uncle Sam again, so others (specially the EU) stayed out of the game due the leak of covid control in the USA and to not mingle their citizens withUS Travelers in the DR, coming in without any testing etc since July 1st.
now we get the bill presented from that "reliable' partner, fter we kept the others away for keeping borders open with us-america, that us-american part fucks with this smart travel policy "recommendations".
to me Personally, as someone in tourism here since 26 years, i can only say f.y. Donald.
us-america again prooved to be not trustworthy on anything as a partner.
 
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Chinese tourists - they do like to gamble but in everything else they don't part with their money. The hookers would go broke but at least they could maintain their hymen intact if their only clients were Chinese. Doodles for noodles as Carol Doda would say
 
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and what is bad for the DR with the money pumped in to here since 2 decades by Chinese and Russians?
none of both did ever any harm to DR.
the only one bothered is the US, which see's everybody else than themself as a non welcomed partner.
and how Trumpsticks a knife into a "partner's " back, just because he can".
just read here:

we simply should have kept our borders closed for travelers from the US and only open for EU, Russia, Canada and China.
that would have been a trustworthy and functioning restart of our intl air travel to DR.
but No, we went with Uncle Sam again, so others (specially the EU) stayed out of the game due the leak of covid control in the USA and to not mingle their citizens withUS Travelers in the DR, coming in without any testing etc since July 1st.
now we get the bill presented from that "reliable' partner, fter we kept the others away for keeping borders open with us-america, that us-american part fucks with this smart travel policy "recommendations".
to me Personally, as someone in tourism here since 26 years, i can only say f.y. Donald.
us-america again prooved to be not trustworthy on anything as a partner.
That's because 87% are Dominican!
 

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Chinese tourists - they do like to gamble but in everything else they don't part with their money. The hookers would go broke but at least they could maintain their hymen intact if their only clients were Chinese. Doodles for noodles as Carol Doda would say
When it comes to tourism I am on the team saying the Americans are by far the better tourists right now and if they comply with the test requirement at airport why shouldn’t they be welcome here. I have never myself really noticed much tourism from China. Russia yes and many residents from Russia here.
 
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When it comes to tourism I am on the team saying the Americans are by far the better tourists right now and if they comply with the test requirement at airport why shouldn’t they be welcome here. I have never myself really noticed much tourism from China. Russia yes and many residents from Russia here.
It's not about tourism for Gina and the Ruskies
 

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There are lots of smaller hotels in the DR and they are cheaper than than AIs. And Americans/Canadians can get $1,000 a week deals as well.
Yes there are, but they account for a tiny fraction of tourism. And their guests are benefiting from the low airfares that the AI model provides, so as you say, they are also cheap. DR is seen as a cheap destination that's its attraction. But without the volume everything will be way more expensive and unsustainable.
 

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I think the DR needs to choose between the EU/UK and the USA because given the current state of the pandemic, they can't do both. In the EU/UK, they are dealing with a few 100 cases/day, but in the United States, there is currently 50,000/day.

I think if the DR could knock down its numbers, it could open up the EU/UK and vice versa. (Costa Rica has a similar policy going).

Or, they could open the USA, but honestly, I have a hard time imagining that being much higher than currently, but I guess you have to recover from somewhere why not the current dismal numbers.

I'd quite dithering and go one way and sacrifice the other for the near term.

The DR is trying to get the UK guests back but the UK government has left DR off its safe list, and put every other Caribbean country on. I can't see how you could expect tourists either to pay £100 each for a PCR test before their holiday, or to wait in line for maybe 4 hours on arrival to get one. And on top of that it's hurricane season and the UK airlines are saying they don't have any budget for repatriations, so would only be willing to fly to DR if the DR government basically bungs them some money, which is unlikely to happen given the change of government. I don't think you'll see significant numbers of tourists coming until the test-on-arrival is lifted, and only then probably in January.
 

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bien.
anything done with the US, which of course is here in DR our Big Partner, is not about any big love of a US Presi for a caribbean Island, it is like with the Chinese and the Russians all about the own advantages of what ever fields for what ever things.
so a little powerles piece of Paradise, like DR, has to take the positives offered from all sides.
the beef I personally have with the US side is, that the actual President of the country is a nacists of finest and changes things from one moment to an other, jus because he may have had stepped out of bed with the wrong foot.
but thats just how some of his actions come over to me myself, my personal thing when i watch all that stuff.
his administration may approve a few thousand student visas for the new upcoming schol time frame,
but as the morning wake up of one person may have been a anti foreigners one for one person one morning, then the Presi of that country may just revoke all such student visa permits until furtehr notice.
thats what i personally name unreliable as a business partner, not somebody i would want to do business with.
sure the DR has to do business with "him", there is zero doubt about our dependency of Trump's good will.
but to me it is the smart thing to do that the DR does also run their businesses with the other superpowers,
to finally not depend with absolute everything on just one persons good will.
Mike
With all due respect this is a strong personal opinion on politics in the U.S. I understand that there are crossovers here on these treads but you shifted to "student visas "which is a hot bed subject in the US and has no bearing on DR-USA relationships. From my little understanding of the "new rules" this may not be allowed. (?).This will set off pages of the usual responses on DR1 having to do with "US Politics". . . right?
 
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Mike, to be honest, you're not exactly citing sources here. Truth is we have no idea other than extrapolación, how many infecteds arrived or are walking around. I imagine a lot if you look at the recent Nagua testing results. Fact, the DR is in bed with China for years. Fact Chinese are immigrating here in droves. Fact, Gina has given the DR a lot of $$$$$$$$.

@MikeFisher

I disagree with you ..china does not have their FBI . CIA, located in this country... and there are way more Gringos in this country than Chinese..
 

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When it comes to tourism I am on the team saying the Americans are by far the better tourists right now and if they comply with the test requirement at airport why shouldn’t they be welcome here. I have never myself really noticed much tourism from China. Russia yes and many residents from Russia here.
Chinese don't come to enjoy and tour. They come to plunder - set up stores selling their very cheaply made wares, avoid taxes and hoard their money. When you have three generations, all working and sleeping in the same house and all saving every peso you can accumulate a measure of wealth fairly quickly. Only when they have saved enough will they part with any of it, but it won't be spent in hotels or beaches (can Chinese swim - I've never seen them in the ocean).

As a person who lived many years amongst mostly Chinese is San Francisco I grew to dislike their culture, mannerisms and frugality.
and when it comes to disrespecting the environment they surpass the Dominicans by far on throwing trash.
90% of all plastic waste in the ocean, world wide, comes from China !
Let that soak in.