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Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law
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The Legal subforum is monitored and responded to by the Guzman Ariza law firm.
It is a very prominent law firm in the DR.
I have no idea of the owners of DR1 use that firm otherwise.
And of course the immigration officials at airports controlling ingress and egress are not part of the DR government structure,
And are illegal.
The same officials which at the very moment under the new RPM government and under instruction of the minister of the interior Vasquez
ARE RIGHT NOW COLLECTING OVERSTAY FEES of departing visitors.
Of course there is no legal basis for this, as Windy claims.
Yet the same illegals (as claims Windy) after paying to the government are welcomed back at their return.
I will stipulate to your statement. But my brain does not work that way.
The only example I can give is: I am driving in the United States of America and I am doing more than the speed limit and the police pull me over and don't immediately shoot me. Let's say they just give me a warning. Does that make what I was doing (10 miles over the speed limit) legal?
If someone stays past 30 days. And the Government of the Dominican Republic (GOTDR) says you have stayed over 30 days and you need to pay this fine. And you pay it. Can you really leave the country and think, well I did not do anything wrong I just had to pay this fine? I do not know how one could do that. I know I could not. Because if you leave within 30 days you pay nothing.
In my opinion, if the GOTDR has a extra legal process set up for people who violate this particular law it is the business of the GOTDR not the person who overstayed. The only concern about the person who overstayed has is they get to leave after complying with what the officials of the GOTDR told them they had to do (pay the overstay fee).
I remain confused at what is the big deal. If GOTDR changes the process then adapt. I do not need legal counsel to figure that out.
The majority of people who live in those condos are Dominicans. Quite a lot are friends and family of the old government.
The same immigration officials have been told to welcome the people back no matter how many overstay violations.
The new government took charge on Sunday. It is now Wednesday and they seem to have a momentary focus on the CV19 pandemic.
They did promise to enforce immigration law as written. It might take some time.
I do not "claim" there is no legal basis for the fees, it is a fact there is no legal basis for the fees.
Can someone please stipulate to the fact that there are no legal basis for the overstay fees?
Let the man know he is right so we can move on. If there are no changes in the law and the way the law is currently being enforced does indeed change. I am absolutely, positively sure it will be reported here by the first DR1 member who is affected by it or in the Dominican news. Whichever comes first.
Soon they may also be friends and family of the new government. lol no just kidding.
My friends and I have lived in at least 20 different towers in Naco and Piantini and there were always more foreigners than Dominicans. And in every single tower it eventually became a pseudo airbnb hotel filled with gringos. I totally disagree with you here. Hell in my last condo I had to move because this Italian guy and his Italian wife wanted to make love every morning at 5am and their bed banged like crazy. I addressed the condo manager and they told me there was nothing they could do. Thank God I only rent. Sorry for the rant but the bad memory overcame me.
You are quite the expert on everything to do with DR aren't you. I have also lived in a number of towers and have never come across a lot of gringos. I lived in a few in Avenida Anacaona which were almost exclusively upscale Dominicans, lots of government money there. And on the Malecon, in Veiramar they have banned AirBnB and have big signs up as you go in saying it is for residents only, again this has a very high proportion of Dominicans. I don't know how you find the places you live in. If you rent mainly through AirBnB then I guess it's not surprising that you're going to get a lot of foreigners, but this really isn't the norm, at least not in my experience.
You really want this to be true. I really don't understand why. (You say you don't care but it seems this is a burr in your side.)
If what you say is true, they will change the page. Otherwise, I will follow what they say and require from me.
Can someone please stipulate to the fact that there are no legal basis for the overstay fees?
Let the man know he is right so we can move on. If there are no changes in the law and the way the law is currently being enforced does indeed change. I am absolutely, positively sure it will be reported here by the first DR1 member who is affected by it or in the Dominican news. Whichever comes first.
I just don't understand why some people cannot get this. Dominican laws all have numbers and are all voted on and agreed by central government just like the laws of any other country. For example, there is Law 285 from 15th August 2004 which covers immigration. Dominican law says that tourists can enter for 30 days with a tourist card. After this, under Dominican law, they are illegal. Migracion has up until now allowed people to pay a fee / fine / penalty when they leave, and let them return. And as has been discussed many times, very little happens to a foreigner who is illegally in the country, excepting Haitians and maybe Venezuelans. The fact that Migracion is allowing people to pay when they leave does not make them legal. The new government is now saying they will enforce the law to the letter, but Migracion is now allowing people to extend their tourist card for up to 4 months. Anyone who does extend it will be legally in the country. Anyone who doesn't and overstays will be illegally in the country.
The fact that you can usually get away with breaking a law, the fact that a law is not enforced, the fact that a government agency just lets you pay a fee if you break that law, doesn't mean that you are legal.
“After the reopening of borders, on July 1, tourism was primarily concentrated from the United States since 85.4% of foreigners arriving in the Caribbean country came from that nation, with 46,207 passengers.”
Tourism falls 88% in the Dominican Republic in July, the month of reopening
<p>Santo Domingo.- The Dominican Republic received 54,105 tourists in July. The month in which international borders reopened, representing a drop of 88.5% compared to the same period last year, the Central Bank reported on Tuesday. When factoring in the trips of Dominicans residing abroad, the...
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“After the reopening of borders, on July 1, tourism was primarily concentrated from the United States since 85.4% of foreigners arriving in the Caribbean country came from that nation, with 46,207 passengers.”
Tourism falls 88% in the Dominican Republic in July, the month of reopening
<p>Santo Domingo.- The Dominican Republic received 54,105 tourists in July. The month in which international borders reopened, representing a drop of 88.5% compared to the same period last year, the Central Bank reported on Tuesday. When factoring in the trips of Dominicans residing abroad, the...
That is just saying that in July 85% of foreigners arriving were Americans, they are only talking about the 46,207 American tourists that arrived in July as a percentage of total arrivals in July. But normally the percentage is much lower than that, I think the US accounts for about 30-40% of all tourists in a "normal" year. Certainly Punta Cana cannot survive just on US business. It needs the European flights (bear in mind Air France alone flies daily to Punta Cana in high season), the Russians, the Canadians and the South Americans to get the volume to make it work.
I know a lot...it seems that you're bothered by that. In fact, most of these towers are empty and the few condos that are filled are filled with gringos. Yet they continue to build more at a feverish pace. I guess our experiences differ but if youre evidence is government workers well that isn't evidence at all. We all know how that works.
Can you please provide evidence where the new government says they are going to follow this to the letter of the law? That was never said...hell overstayers have not been mentioned. You guys like to make up stuff until you convince yourselves it's real. Smh.
In Veiramar? We could have met. My brother and sister in law lived there. He from Mallorca, consul?
It's kind of
It's getting to the point where it is a waste of time talking about this.(actually that was a long time ago) It's like it is always here....total speculation. Talk to people who are not on DR1...they have no idea any of this is happening. If the new government comes out with anything, then discuss...otherwise anything said here means nothing more than a hill of beans.
It's getting to the point where it is a waste of time talking about this.(actually that was a long time ago) It's like it is always here....total speculation. Talk to people who are not on DR1...they have no idea any of this is happening. If the new government comes out with anything, then discuss...otherwise anything said here means nothing more than a hill of beans.
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