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John Boyter said:
Maybe the 4 months visa thing was Part 1 basically solving then the snowbird issue and probably most overstayers if I understand it right. Then Part 2 being dealing with the long term overstaying and making residency easier to get more people legalized. The one year mark being crucial where Guzman says as I understood it that one “should consider” applying for residency.

Remember, as johne has repeated many times, we are just a forum of opinions.
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There will be no part 2. No one cares; not the Dominican citizens, not the Dominican government, not even the illegal Haitians. The only people who are bothered are DR1 members who have obtained residency. I dont know if youre in RD right now but if you are talk to random Dominicans and see if they care. NO ONE DOES! Just look at Santo Domingo. Every day they're building more high end condos that the average Dominican will never be able to afford. Common sense tells us that they'll never remove the people that are filling these things. Mr. John knows that if he gets removed from the DR, Costa Rica is waiting for his dollars/euros and the Dominican government knows this as well. Overstayers are completely fine and will be for the foreseeable future.
 
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Andre14615 said:
There will be no part 2. No one cares; not the Dominican citizens, not the Dominican government, not even the illegal Haitians. The only people who are bothered are DR1 members who have obtained residency. I dont know if youre in RD right now but if you are talk to random Dominicans and see if they care. NO ONE DOES! Just look at Santo Domingo. Every day they're building more high end condos that the average Dominican will never be able to afford. Common sense tells us that they'll never remove the people that are filling these things. Mr. John knows that if he gets removed from the DR, Costa Rica is waiting for his dollars/euros and the Dominican government knows this as well. Overstayers are completely fine and will be for the foreseeable future.
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Costa Rica wouldn’t be me choice lol . If not here I would go for something completely different.
 
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Andre14615 said:
Colombia is awesome, too. If I didn't love RD so much I'd move there.
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The closet thing I can compare the overstay payment process to is confession. You sidle up to the immigration officer at your departing airport, try to look repentant, declare your overstay sin, and hope for financial absolution. Short overstays, a week or two are minor sins and treated accordingly. Beyond that your into the dark world of mortal sins, you can feel hellfire scorching the soles of your feet, and you know your atonement is a costly one. After repentance and atonement, you walk away, quickly forget, and repeat the same sin next winter. The first time I did it I felt a pang of remorse. Now I consider it a minor irritation. I had one immigration officer who gave me a discount and pocketed the cash. Lol!

My Canadian friend, an RCMP officer on an international posting with the Colombian Drug Trafficking Department instantly fell in love with the place. He operates out of Medellin and does joint border patrols. He is now married to a Colombian lady and plans to take up permanent residency when he retires. He likes the climate where it can be 30 degrees during the day but the winds blowing from the Andes can drop it to 18 degrees at night. Much more comfortable for sleeping and no air conditioning required. He and his wife have vacationed in the DR a few times. He likes what the DR has to offer but he prefers the climate in Colombia.
 
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All immigration law is vetted through the lens of government revenue and political perceptions of the people. Governments set things up so that type of people they want come in and they keep the type of people they do not want stay out (or they can put them out if they catch them).

If you come for a extra long vacation you got money and can pay the overstay fee. If you came to work and you overstayed you got money and can pay the overstay fee. If you are a Haitian and you are working in subpar conditions for subpar wages Dominican Employers want you and will expend political capital and make donations to get in the ears of the officials that can make that happen for them.

I really only see one group of people that could catch it quite a bit in term of economics. Those who come here to work and are displacing Dominican workers. The other group (and this as nothing to do with economics): Criminals.

I happen to agree that it is a big wide world out there and any one with a passport with a valid visa inside may enter the country of their choice. The body takes the money with them. I happen to believe that the overstay population a important part of the economy of the Dominican Republic. Think of them as remittences that are made in person. And we all know how important those are that are made from outside the country. You cannot live here without spending your money here. And who owns all these businesses (formal and informal) that you are spending money with? Who works within them?
 
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John Boyter said:
Maybe the 4 months visa thing was Part 1 basically solving then the snowbird issue and probably most overstayers if I understand it right. Then Part 2 being dealing with the long term overstaying and making residency easier to get more people legalized. The one year mark being crucial where Guzman says as I understood it that one “should consider” applying for residency.

Remember, as johne has repeated many times, we are just a forum of opinions.
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Guzman had an opinion about legalizing if you stay more than a year. Guzman posted the fact that you are illegal after 30 days on a tourist card.

The actual law that states you are illegal after 30 days on a tourist card, no matter what fee you pay or when you pay it, is not an opinion. It is the law.
 
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Guzman had an opinion about legalizing if you stay more than a year. Guzman posted the fact that you are illegal after 30 days on a tourist card.

The actual law that states you are illegal after 30 days on a tourist card, no matter what fee you pay or when you pay it, is not an opinion. It is the law.
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That's the first I am hearing of this.
 
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I have to assume you are joking here. Windeguy has made the point at least 1,000 times! :giggle:
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He has made it with attribution to Guzman being the "Legal council Of DR 1". Now THAT is something I didn't know. I knew he is an adviser but didn't know his position here on the web site of DR1. Maybe someone could offer clarification on that point?
 
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No one visiting the Dominican Republic or posting here on DR1 should need a attorney to tell them they are in the country illegally after 30 days without extending your tourist visa. But maybe that is a stretch. I did not need to consult an attorney or DR1 to know this.
 
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Yourmaninvegas said:
No one visiting the Dominican Republic or posting here on DR1 should need a attorney to tell them they are in the country illegally after 30 days without extending your tourist visa. But maybe that is a stretch. I did not need to consult an attorney or DR1 to know this.
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I can understand how the paying of a fee for overstaying makes some people think that it was legal to overstay.
They did not realize there was no legal basis for those fees.
 
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I can understand how the paying of a fee for overstaying makes some people think that it was legal to overstay.
They did not realize there was no legal basis for those fees.
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I have been told, "no problem, pay the fee and see you next visit" by immigration. I have even been given a receipt. As I have said before I have had the embassy in Canada, in person, tell me that all was good with the overstay fee payment.

Most people who are not on DR1, where it is drummed into you, think it is legal because those fees were even posted on the immigration website.

Now we have a legal way to stay 4 months. The previous conversation is moot.
 
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ramesses said:
I have been told, "no problem, pay the fee and see you next visit" by immigration. I have even been given a receipt. As I have said before I have had the embassy in Canada, in person, tell me that all was good with the overstay fee payment.

Most people who are not on DR1, where it is drummed into you, think it is legal because those fees were even posted on the immigration website.

Now we have a legal way to stay 4 months. The previous conversation is moot.
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yeah with the 4 months it must almost be problem solved. It must be about 80-90% of the former overstaying covered that way.
 
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ramesses said:
I have been told, "no problem, pay the fee and see you next visit" by immigration. I have even been given a receipt. As I have said before I have had the embassy in Canada, in person, tell me that all was good with the overstay fee payment.

Most people who are not on DR1, where it is drummed into you, think it is legal because those fees were even posted on the immigration website.

Now we have a legal way to stay 4 months. The previous conversation is moot.
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and previously, it was not a problem...

what we don't know yet is what the 'official' gov't position is towards overstayers
They have been told how/what to do..... but non-compliance ??
 
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ramesses said:
I have been told, "no problem, pay the fee and see you next visit" by immigration. I have even been given a receipt. As I have said before I have had the embassy in Canada, in person, tell me that all was good with the overstay fee payment.

Most people who are not on DR1, where it is drummed into you, think it is legal because those fees were even posted on the immigration website.

Now we have a legal way to stay 4 months. The previous conversation is moot.
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Right. I guess you did not read that the 4 months of being able to pay the fees in advance was put in by the PLD.
Putting that ability in place did not make it legal.

The PRM has promised to actually enforce the laws.
 
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