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Next minister of Interior & Police says government will apply the law
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I'm not bothered by how much you know, I am not entirely stupid myself as it goes. What I do have a problem with, alongside many others on here, is that this is a discussion forum where people are supposed to exchange opinions and information in a civilised way. Certain individuals just seem to spend all day every day saying "shut up, you're wrong I'm right", completely dominating any thread like it's their fiefdom, without any idea of who they are talking to, what their background is and with almost zero evidence to support their own opinions. And in many cases, these are individuals who live in gated expat communities or not in the DR at all, don't speak Spanish, hardly know any Dominicans, don't know any officials and think that a couple of hours on Pedro Clissante every day watching an American football game is all you need to know about DR.
Surely there comes a point where you accept you have made your point, you don't need to constantly keep making it and shoot anyone down who has an opposing opinion?
Wow this is getting silly now. Go back to the first post, the whole thread is discussing the fact that the incoming minister has said he will apply the law regarding immigration. This is supposedly what we are discussing...
Jesús (Chú) Vásquez, the named Minister of Interior & Police in the upcoming Luis Abinader presidency, says the next government will apply the General Migration Law 285-04. He said the law was passed when he presided the Senate in 2004. “Nothing needs to be invented. Just apply the law,” he says. He says Juan Manuel Rosario, who consulted on the law back then, would work with him as Deputy Minister of Interior & Police, responsible for the migratory matters.
Yet according to Mr. Guzman's very own document on the subject of migration and Laws 285-04 he states Three months (3) on a tourist card, which BTW is not a visa such as you stated above . I don't understand why you continue you use the word"illegal" which connotes something far more serious than a procedure already having a remedy of paying an administrative fee.
Of course if we are talking about the broader issue which is Haiti I agree with you 100% , just as I agree with the U.S. policy toward "illegal" immigration.
If tourism has fallen 88% it does not matter WHO is arriving. Just that they arrive!
Therein lies the rub.
How many of us posting here have a law enforcement background from the countries of our origin?
Met with officials of other countries with law enforcement background in their countries of their origin?
Discussed enforcement on the "street level" with those other officials"?
General principle (not saying this is valid in the Dominican Republic). There is enforcement discretion (freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation) given to officials at a lower level from those at a higher level within the policy objectives of the department.
Enforcement of the law could mean that the new administration running the Dominican Republic could start to go after all the Dominican Employers hiring illegal workers of non Dominican origin. But like others have said, pure speculation unless you are sitting inside of the policy meeting or know someone willing to pass that information to you.
Speculation is ok. Opinions are ok. But those uncomfortable reading about the speculations of others or the opinions of others shouldn't read them. There is a ignore button for other posters that you do not like reading.
I look at it simply like a tennis match. You hit the ball over the net so that it lands within the lines (the line is considered in) until the other person fails to do so until a Line Judge (moderator) or Head Judge (Super Moderator) calls the ball out. Then you start a new point (first post on a different thread).
Game, set and match goes to Mr. Yourmaninvegas!
That's a pretty good analogy -- play by the rules
What we don't know is how the gov't will apply the law they wrote.
It is there - it is the law - but how do we apply/enforce it ?
What we don't know is how the gov't will apply the law they wrote.
It is there - it is the law - but how do we apply/enforce it ?
In my opinion, US policy toward "illegal" immigration is inconsistent, unenlightened and biased (there are stronger words I could use here but I did not). US immigration policy would be a bad example for the Dominican Republic to follow.
Of course it is. I wrote the tennis analogy.
That is why we have all the speculation and opinions here on DR1. When the dust settles and the DRGOV announces how they will be enforcing that law in the future I'm sure that will be a topic of a new thread.
Dr. Guzman has already so stipulated.Can someone please stipulate to the fact that there are no legal basis for the overstay fees?
Let the man know he is right so we can move on. If there are no changes in the law and the way the law is currently being enforced does indeed change. I am absolutely, positively sure it will be reported here by the first DR1 member who is affected by it or in the Dominican news. Whichever comes first.
As have many others. So why do you feel the need to continue to repeat yourself if your point has been made my man?
It is not possible to have an opinion on something when there is a known fact that invalidates that opinion.
It is a known fact that anyone overstaying a tourist card is illegally in the country regardless of if they do or not pay the overstay fee in advance.
Anyone who states someone is legally in the country because they prepaid the over stay fee is simply incorrect. DR immigration laws have no " stipulations" for paying over stay fees. If it is your opinion overstay fees are in the law, you are simply wrong.
Did you not recently type this? Yourmaninvegas said: Can someone please stipulate to the fact that there are no legal basis for the overstay fees?
There appear to be people who don't understand that they cannot have an opinion that a fact is not true.
They can have an opinion that a fact has not been important.
LOL...this thread is becoming hilarious. Residents upset that people are overstaying. Priceless.
(I know, no one cares...just stating facts....over and over again for years)
(I know, no one cares...just stating facts....over and over again for years)
Why would I be upset that people are overstaying? I am amused people have opinions that a fact is not indeed a fact.
(By the way, I am not a resident. Nor is WW. )
I did. They have. And yet you continue.
People who overstay pay a penalty and leave. Your opinion on the matter or mine does not matter. The OLD GOTDR has indicated through it's actions that it is fine with that. The new GOTDR may not. I do not know. You do not know. We all do not know.
Is it more complicated than that?
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